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Posted: **Sun Oct 27, 2013 6:50 am**

Any idea if there will be a new animated series for transformers yet?

Posted: **Sun Oct 27, 2013 7:11 am**

mikeanime wrote:Any idea if there will be a new animated series for transformers yet?

It's been reported that there's a sequel to Rescue Bots in the works, plus Orci and Kurtzman are supposedly going to begin work on a pseudo sequel to Prime/Beast Hunters that's aimed more at kids and have less darkness.

Time frames weren't given, however.

Posted: **Sun Oct 27, 2013 7:29 am**

I find rescue bots boreing.

I do hope the sequel to beast hunters is good. The ending left it open to a sequel.

Posted: **Sun Oct 27, 2013 5:56 pm**

There's also the Sanjou Gattai Transformers Go! cartoon currently running in Japan (which is likely to not come over to the U.S., which is understandable since it wouldn't work over here).

As for the next American-made series, this thread has all the known info - http://www.seibertron.com/energonpub/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=95984

mikeanime wrote:I find rescue bots boreing.

Why?

Posted: **Sun Oct 27, 2013 6:56 pm**

mikeanime wrote:I find rescue bots boreing.

It's boring as all hell.

Sabrblade wrote:
mikeanime wrote:I find rescue bots boreing.
Why?

There's no violence.

Posted: **Sun Oct 27, 2013 6:57 pm**

Sabrblade wrote:There's also the Sanjou Gattai Transformers Go! cartoon currently running in Japan (which is likely to not come over to the U.S., which is understandable since it wouldn't work over here).

As for the next American-made series, this thread has all the known info - http://www.seibertron.com/energonpub/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=95984

mikeanime wrote:I find rescue bots boreing.
Why?

It's geared more to little kids where as prime was darker and more realistic to me. No one ever got hurt on rescue bots in the episodes I have seen

Posted: **Sun Oct 27, 2013 7:14 pm**

SlyTF1 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
mikeanime wrote:I find rescue bots boreing.
Why?

There's no violence.

Violence isn't a necessity for good storytelling.

mikeanime wrote:It's geared more to little kids where as prime was darker and more realistic to me.

Why should being "darker" matter?

mikeanime wrote:No one ever got hurt on rescue bots in the episodes I have seen

Why does someone have to be hurt?

Also, I presume you haven't seen the finale.

Posted: **Sun Oct 27, 2013 8:00 pm**

Sabrblade wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
mikeanime wrote:I find rescue bots boreing.
Why?

There's no violence.
Violence isn't a necessity for good storytelling.

It is if it wants to keep me interested.

Posted: **Sun Oct 27, 2013 8:08 pm**

SlyTF1 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
mikeanime wrote:I find rescue bots boreing.
Why?

There's no violence.
Violence isn't a necessity for good storytelling.

It is if it wants to keep me interested.

You don't watch anything with comedy above all?

Posted: **Sun Oct 27, 2013 8:26 pm**

Sabrblade wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
mikeanime wrote:I find rescue bots boreing.
Why?

There's no violence.
Violence isn't a necessity for good storytelling.

It is if it wants to keep me interested.
You don't watch anything with comedy above all?

Only sometimes. But there's nothing in the show that's funny for me, either. It's all just... dumbed down for kids. Even the dialogue. And I know it's a kid's show, which is why I don't find it entertaining.

Posted: **Sun Oct 27, 2013 8:33 pm**

SlyTF1 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
mikeanime wrote:I find rescue bots boreing.
Why?

There's no violence.
Violence isn't a necessity for good storytelling.

It is if it wants to keep me interested.
You don't watch anything with comedy above all?

Only sometimes. But there's nothing in the show that's funny for me, either. It's all just... dumbed down for kids. Even the dialogue. And I know it's a kid's show, which is why I don't find it entertaining.

No sitcoms?

Posted: **Sun Oct 27, 2013 8:44 pm**

Also, the talks about things being "too childish" making them be "bad" reminds me of a quote from famous author C.S. Lewis:

“Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.”

Posted: **Sun Oct 27, 2013 10:27 pm**

Sabrblade wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
SlyTF1 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
mikeanime wrote:I find rescue bots boreing.
Why?

There's no violence.
Violence isn't a necessity for good storytelling.

It is if it wants to keep me interested.
You don't watch anything with comedy above all?

Only sometimes. But there's nothing in the show that's funny for me, either. It's all just... dumbed down for kids. Even the dialogue. And I know it's a kid's show, which is why I don't find it entertaining.
No sitcoms?

No.

Posted: **Mon Oct 28, 2013 2:01 am**

To be honest I really like CGI in Transformers series. Both Beast Wars and Prime proves that Transformers seems to be designed to be in CGI, at least as ong as it is a good CGI.

I think that spliting Continuity to two incarnations: One Darker and Edgier for older fans, and one for younger audience. It is hard to heep both groups interested if it is no Beast Wars.

Are you think new series should be keeped in Aligned Continuity or creators should bring us a New Universe? For me it is hard to tell, 65 episodes of Prime + Predacons Rising + Games seems just not enough for me, and yet I'm not sure did'nt I wanna see something completly new.

Posted: **Mon Oct 28, 2013 4:24 am**

The rescue bots are just geared twards young kids where as prime was not. I see no reason why we cant have two shows side by side. However beast wars seamed it was meant for a wider audience. Sure it had it's more adult moments like when dinobot died but it had great comedy like when rinox farted resulting in megatrons most humilating defeat ever.

Posted: **Mon Oct 28, 2013 6:29 am**

Every Transformers cartoon is geared towards kids. Prime just took greater risks than most.

Even Beast Machines was made for kids. It aired on a Saturday morning children's programming block among other grade school-oriented cartoons (uncensored, even), yet look at how dark and philosophical it was.

Being "for children" =/= Being "dumb". All it takes is a good writer who treats the viewers like people with respect and brains, rather than thinking viewers are naive and so easy to please that they'll accept any silly thing thrown at them.

Thus far, the only TF cartoon that ever seemed to talk down to children has been the four-episode Playskool Go-Bots cartoon.

G1, RiD, and the Unicron Trilogy, walked the thin line between "talking down to the audience" and "taking the audience seriously", sometimes crossing over to either side of the line, but never fully staying on either side. Go! is also currently doing this.

This is why the better TF cartoons have been the ones that don't talk down to the viewers, which include Beast Wars, Beast Machines, Animated, Rescue Bots, and Prime. All of these treat the viewers with respect and dignity, even taking several risks from time to time (some moreso than others).

Posted: **Mon Oct 28, 2013 6:45 am**

Sabrblade wrote:Every Transformers cartoon is geared towards kids. Prime just took greater risks than most.

Even Beast Machines was made for kids. It aired on a Saturday morning children's programming block among other grade school-oriented cartoons (uncensored, even), yet look at how dark and philosophical it was.

Being "for children" =/= Being "dumb". All it takes is a good writer who treats the viewers like people with respect and brains, rather than thinking viewers are naive and so easy to please that they'll accept any silly thing thrown at them.

Thus far, the only TF cartoon that ever seemed to talk down to children has been the four-episode Playskool Go-Bots cartoon.

G1, RiD, and the Unicron Trilogy, walked the thin line between "talking down to the audience" and "taking the audience seriously", sometimes crossing over to either side of the line, but never fully staying on either side. Go! is also currently doing this.

This is why the better TF cartoons have been the ones that don't talk down to the viewers, which include Beast Wars, Beast Machines, Animated, Rescue Bots, and Prime. All of these treat the viewers with respect and dignity, even taking several risks from time to time (some moreso than others).

Posted: **Mon Oct 28, 2013 10:04 am**

No response? :???:

Posted: **Mon Oct 28, 2013 5:00 pm**

I see the point being made there. It just seamed to me rescue bots was more childish than the other us series. I havent seen a lot of rescue bots last episode I saw had someone make his own transformer

Posted: **Mon Oct 28, 2013 10:20 pm**

mikeanime wrote:I see the point being made there. It just seamed to me rescue bots was more childish than the other us series. I havent seen a lot of rescue bots last episode I saw had someone make his own transformer

You need to watch that show in order for the storyline and progression to make sense.

Posted: **Tue Oct 29, 2013 8:57 am**

Sabrblade wrote:G1, RiD, and the Unicron Trilogy, walked the thin line between "talking down to the audience" and "taking the audience seriously", sometimes crossing over to either side of the line, but never fully staying on either side. Go! is also currently doing this.

Actually, I think that Armada/Energon was quite serious and dark too. Megatron in both is quite compenent (He won something aroud 50% of all battles, killed Optimus Prime, few time damaged bots seriously, and never was technically "defeated"), and there is at least few more mature plots and serious monents in both series.

1) entire Aramda Starscream's plot.
2) entire Wheeljack plot
3) Optimus Prime's dark side and love for combat
4) Pretty much all scenes with Sideways
5) Optimus Prime's death
6) Starscream's and Megatron's sacrifices
7) Demolishor's dilema

Scorponock's plot until he become brainwashed
9) a scene where Inferno is tortured and he's later sacrifice
10) Megatron's conquer of Cybertron in Energon's seazon 3

This are examples witch comes to mind almost instantly, I'm sure there is more

Posted: **Tue Oct 29, 2013 9:48 am**

TurboMMaster wrote:Actually, I think that Armada/Energon was quite serious and dark too.

No moreso than G1 or RiD since they also had a lot of stupid childish plots in them in addition to their serious moments.

TurboMMaster wrote:Megatron in both is quite compenent

No, he wasn't.

TurboMMaster wrote:killed Optimus Prime,

Only because of the Hydra Cannon. Without it, Prime wouldn't have died.

Not to mention that Megatron was sad about Optimus's death, moping around after it then feeling better when Optimus returned.

TurboMMaster wrote:few time damaged bots seriously,

Being powerful =/= being competent.

TurboMMaster wrote:and never was technically "defeated"),

Sure he was. He defeated himself.

TurboMMaster wrote:3) Optimus Prime's dark side and love for combat

Which was barely touched upon and only really brought up in the final episode of Armada, in which Optimus refused to believe it, and any instances in Energon of him acknowledging why he fights have him giving reasons of righteousness and duty, rather than pleasure.

TurboMMaster wrote:4) Pretty much all scenes with Sideways

Not before the "Chase" episode, since he was an underused nobody prior to then.

TurboMMaster wrote:7) Demolishor's dilema
Scorponock's plot until he become brainwashed
9) a scene where Inferno is tortured and he's later sacrifice

All of which the Energon cartoon gave the middle finger to.

TurboMMaster wrote:10) Megatron's conquer of Cybertron in Energon's seazon 3

Which was entirely pointless since absolutely nothing of value happened in those episodes.

And, Energon was one season. You're thinking of "story arcs", which Energon had four of, not three.

TurboMMaster wrote:This are examples witch comes to mind almost instantly, I'm sure there is more

And on the other end of the spectrum, you got the children playing around with Mini-Cons, Hot Shot acting like a cowboy, Billy and Fred being humiliated, Cyclonus being a joke, Alexis being a stiff, Rad and Carlos being dorks, Ironhide being an idiot, Kicker being a whiny jerk, Shockblast going from being competent killer to a butt-monkey, Tidal Wave being dumb and dim, Wing Saber's revenge plot completely vanishing after Shockblast escapes his second capture, the rhyming Ironhide fanboys, the computer game episode, the racing episode, etc. etc.

Posted: **Tue Oct 29, 2013 3:19 pm**

Sabrblade wrote:
TurboMMaster wrote:Megatron in both is quite compenent
No, he wasn't

Yes he was

I mean: If Megatron witch quired so much and was able to keep this until series finale (Where he sacrifice himself to save Cybertron) isn't competent, then who is?[/quote]

Sabrblade wrote:
TurboMMaster wrote:Actually, I think that Armada/Energon was quite serious and dark too.
No moreso than G1 or RiD since they also had a lot of stupid childish plots in them in addition to their serious moments.

I think that more, In G1 only a Movie and FFoD seems to be a serious episodes.

Sabrblade wrote:Only because of the Hydra Cannon. Without it, Prime wouldn't have died.

Yet Optimus was forced to sacrifice himself in order to save Earth. And he was forced because he couldn't defeat Megatron in battle. And also, Megatron forcing Prime to watch destruction of planet was a good example of evil :lol:

Sabrblade wrote:Not to mention that Megatron was sad about Optimus's death, moping around after it then feeling better when Optimus returned.

Remember that this Megatron supposed to be a little less demonic, a little more sympathetic. Also, remember that Joker suffered similiar way after he become to belive that he killed Batman.

Sabrblade wrote:
TurboMMaster wrote:few time damaged bots seriously,
Being powerful =/= being competent.

But beign powerfull + beign master tactician (The way he take away Requirem Blaster from Autobots for example) and skilled manipulator = beign competent.

Sabrblade wrote:
TurboMMaster wrote:and never was technically "defeated"),
Sure he was. He defeated himself.

He sacrifice first time, because he wants to save Cybertron. Later he sacrifice himself because he don't wanna become Unicron's vessel.

Sabrblade wrote:
TurboMMaster wrote:3) Optimus Prime's dark side and love for combat
Which was barely touched upon and only really brought up in the final episode of Armada, in which Optimus refused to believe it, and any instances in Energon of him acknowledging why he fights have him giving reasons of righteousness and duty, rather than pleasure.

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Sabrblade wrote:
TurboMMaster wrote:This are examples witch comes to mind almost instantly, I'm sure there is more
And on the other end of the spectrum, you got the children playing around with Mini-Cons, Hot Shot acting like a cowboy, Billy and Fred being humiliated, Cyclonus being a joke, Alexis being a stiff, Rad and Carlos being dorks, Ironhide being an idiot, Kicker being a whiny jerk, Shockblast going from being competent killer to a butt-monkey, Tidal Wave being dumb and dim, Wing Saber's revenge plot completely vanishing after Shockblast escapes his second capture, the rhyming Ironhide fanboys, the computer game episode, the racing episode, etc. etc.

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Sabrblade wrote:
TurboMMaster wrote:7) Demolishor's dilema
Scorponock's plot until he become brainwashed
9) a scene where Inferno is tortured and he's later sacrifice
All of which the Energon cartoon gave the middle finger to.

Sad but true, hovewer, it was all great idea's and all started very well. And this is propably the reason why Energon is so bad. He simply easily could be epic.

Sabrblade wrote:
TurboMMaster wrote:10) Megatron's conquer of Cybertron in Energon's seazon 3
Which was entirely pointless since absolutely nothing of value happened in those episodes.

[/quote][/quote] Yet still, at this point of story, he won. This proves that he is competent. Althought i agree, that he's victory should be a more exposed and necesarry for the main plot.

Posted: **Tue Oct 29, 2013 6:06 pm**

TurboMMaster wrote:Yes he was I mean: If Megatron witch quired so much and was able to keep this until series finale (Where he sacrifice himself to save Cybertron) isn't competent, then who is?

[/quote]I can't read what you wrote, there. :HEADHURTS:

TurboMMaster wrote:I think that more, In G1 only a Movie and FFoD seems to be a serious episodes.

"More Than Meets The Eye, Parts 1-3", "Divide and Conquer", "Fire in the Sky", "S.O.S. Dinobots", "War of the Dinobots", "The Ultimate Doom, Parts 1-3", "Countdown to Extinction", "Autobot Spike", "Attack of the Autobots", "Traitor", "Enter the Nightbird", "Megatron's Master Plan, Parts 1-2", "Desertion of the Dinobots, Parts 1-2", "The God Gambit", "The Secret of Omega Supreme", "The Search for Alpha Trion", "The Key to Vector Sigma, Parts 1-2", "War Dawn", "Cosmic Rust", "Starscream's Brigade", "The Revenge of Bruticus", "The Killing Jar", "Chaos", "Dark Awakening", "Forever Is a Long Time Coming", "Fight or Flee", "Starscream's Ghost", "Ghost in the Machine", "The Dweller in the Depths", "Only Human", "Grimlock's New Brain", "Call of the Primitives", "The Burden Hardest to Bear", and "The Return of Optimus Prime, Parts 1-2" were all serious in tone for their time.

TurboMMaster wrote:Yet Optimus was forced to sacrifice himself in order to save Earth. And he was forced because he couldn't defeat Megatron in battle. And also, Megatron forcing Prime to watch destruction of planet was a good example of evil

Optimus giving his life isn't the same thing as Megatron being comeptent.

Plus, that whole plan with the Hydra Cannon? That was all Thrust, not Megatron.

TurboMMaster wrote:Remember that this Megatron supposed to be a little less demonic, a little more sympathetic. Also, remember that Joker suffered similiar way after he become to belive that he killed Batman.

He's not sympathetic. He just sees Optimus as the ultimate challenge to best. Without Prime, Megs gets bored. That's not an example of him being evil.

TurboMMaster wrote:But beign powerfull + beign master tactician (The way he take away Requirem Blaster from Autobots for example) and skilled manipulator = beign competent.

I wouldn't call his simply "beating Smokescreen half to death" enough to make him a "master tactician". Any dumb brute could do that.

TurboMMaster wrote:He sacrifice first time, because he wants to save Cybertron. Later he sacrifice himself because he don't wanna become Unicron's vessel.

Either way, both cases were lose-lose situation for him since he had no way out alive in either.

TurboMMaster wrote:Sad but true, hovewer, it was all great idea's and all started very well. And this is propably the reason why Energon is so bad. He simply easily could be epic.

In other words, the end results of all of these ideas were far less than satisfactory.

TurboMMaster wrote:Yet still, at this point of story, he won.

Thanks to the energon gas accident, which wasn't his fault and only just happened to swing in his favor.

And, can it really be called a "win" when the fighting for the planet still continued on?

TurboMMaster wrote:This proves that he is competent.

"Lucky" is the word you're looking for.

Posted: **Tue Oct 29, 2013 6:40 pm**

So most transformers series had serious moments ane comic moments it just seams that rescue bots is the exception to the rule

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