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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:Oh, that was a fembot? never knew that;

Not exactly a fembot, but a Diaclone mech with a female pilot called Dia. It's named after a G.I. Joe character like Lift-Ticket is.

Yes exactly, a fembot. Everything about her face in the comic suggests a female personality. The first word on her Tech Spec is, "Her". So fembot with female pilot.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:Oh, that was a fembot? never knew that;

Not exactly a fembot, but a Diaclone mech with a female pilot called Dia. It's named after a G.I. Joe character like Lift-Ticket is.

Oh; I don't know any diaclone or g.i.joe fiction, as I never cared about it, but that's kinda cool; Is the pilot thing played up in the exclusive comics?

All Diaclone robots are piloted mecha (which explains the cockpits on some G1 figures). The bios for Burn Out and Lift-Ticket do play on the piloted mech thing, but adds basic AI into the mix. Same goes for the Waruder Marauders, including Zaptrap.

Well I knew WHAT diaclone was; but I didn't know that the skids mech was female/piloted by a female.

Sabrblade wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote:So, the same year Serpent O.R. is in the FSS, Hasbro releases Viper. I wonder if they were meant to go together, because this is a hell of a coincidence otherwise.

I could see it being a coincidence since the Club might have seen the Ratbat head and got the idea of Serpent O.R. first, with the main Hasbro brand team doing Viper independently since team member John Warden was the lead designer on the G.I. Joe brand team from 2006 to 2013.

If not for the brand team having the former Joe lead designer in it, I too would be more inclined to consider it more than coincidental, but his being there helps open the possibility of the Club and the brand team coincidentally doing their own separate Joe-based homages.

I didn't know about him. Sorry.

Still, you must admit it is a hell of a coincidence, especially with them both using the Decepticobra symbol.

Flux Convoy wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:Oh, that was a fembot? never knew that;

Not exactly a fembot, but a Diaclone mech with a female pilot called Dia. It's named after a G.I. Joe character like Lift-Ticket is.

Yes exactly, a fembot. Everything about her face in the comic suggests a female personality. The first word on her Tech Spec is, "Her". So fembot with female pilot.

Love your signature! Poor little Packy-ratty-poo

Let me put it this way. The Club tends to make stuff for the uber-fans since it's the uber-fans, rather than the casual fans, who will most likely be buying this stuff. Kids don't have the incomes necessary to match Club prices, and their parents/relatives/etc. most likely won't be willing to shell out the cash for them if they aren't fans themselves. So the Club goes for the demographic that can both recognize and afford their products.

In a way, it's kinda like how third-party items are likewise not meant for everybody. Both the stuff produced by the Club and third-parties are folded into the "adult collectible" category instead of the "children's toy" category (even if the Club products are manufactured from molds that were previously under the "children's toy" category).

Why, even on this year's "Cybertron's Most Wanted" box set box can the following text be found:

Adult collectible, not intended
for use by children.
Includes only the figures listed above.

Right. And you can't please everyone.

This year, fan#174 loved their offering while fan#645 hated it.

So long as they keep giving us obscure niche things, they're doing their job

Sabrblade wrote:Let me put it this way. The Club tends to make stuff for the uber-fans since it's the uber-fans, rather than the casual fans, who will most likely be buying this stuff. Kids don't have the incomes necessary to match Club prices, and their parents/relatives/etc. most likely won't be willing to shell out the cash for them if they aren't fans themselves. So the Club goes for the demographic that can both recognize and afford their products.

In a way, it's kinda like how third-party items are likewise not meant for everybody. Both the stuff produced by the Club and third-parties are folded into the "adult collectible" category instead of the "children's toy" category (even if the Club products are manufactured from molds that were previously under the "children's toy" category).

Why, even if this year's "Cybertron's Most Wanted" box set box can the following text be found:

Adult collectible, not intended
for use by children.
Includes only the figures listed above.

I agree, but the tfss doesn't need to fill the set with characters that spiral into the most unknown reaches of obscurity; there's no reason they couldn't do characters like flat-top, squeezeplay or horribull. They're pretty obscure, and I sincerely doubt we'll be seeing updates for them or any of the other weird stuff from G1 onwards. I'm not saying they shouldn't be obscure, but obscene obscurity that make you question whether it's worth it, is also not a way to go (I don't care about a prototype of someone from some line that became something else)

Hellscream9999 wrote:I agree, but the tfss doesn't need to fill the set with characters that spiral into the most unknown reaches of obscurity; there's no reason they couldn't do characters like flat-top, squeezeplay or horribull. They're pretty obscure, and I sincerely doubt we'll be seeing updates for them or any of the other weird stuff from G1 onwards. I'm not saying they shouldn't be obscure, but obscene obscurity that make you question whether it's worth it, is also not a way to go (I don't care about a prototype of someone from some line that became something else)

And just which molds would those characters be able to done from? The Club has to also consider mold availability for what they can do. There isn't a recent crab, a recent bull, or a recent Broadside for them to redeco into any of those three, and what they're doing for next year's TFSS is very recognizable for anyone who grew up regularly following the Marvel Comics, be they from the US or the UK, since the Mayhem Attack Squad was from those comics and remembered by those who read them.

Sabrblade wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:I agree, but the tfss doesn't need to fill the set with characters that spiral into the most unknown reaches of obscurity; there's no reason they couldn't do characters like flat-top, squeezeplay or horribull. They're pretty obscure, and I sincerely doubt we'll be seeing updates for them or any of the other weird stuff from G1 onwards. I'm not saying they shouldn't be obscure, but obscene obscurity that make you question whether it's worth it, is also not a way to go (I don't care about a prototype of someone from some line that became something else)

And just which molds would those characters be able to done from? The Club has to also consider mold availability for what they can do. There isn't a recent crab, a recent bull, or a recent Broadside for them to redeco into any of those three, and what they're doing for next year's TFSS is very recognizable for anyone who grew up regularly following the Marvel Comics, be they from the US or the UK, since the Mayhem Attack Squad was from those comics and remembered by those who read them.

Beast Wars molds, they clearly have access to them.

Why is this being debated again? No one said obscure characters shouldn't be done... we just said sometimes it's too much. Just because you're an adult collector does not mean you only like obscurity... I'm 27 and I most certainly do not. I want to see recognizable characters that Hasbro won't be updating, which is basically anybody outside the 1984-6 cast. Cybershark, Knock Out, Breakdown, Silverbolt, RID01 brothers to name a few.
There were a few recognizable characters this year across the board (Lio Convoy, Megatron, Tarantulas), but for the most part it was varying degrees of WTF... even the Kre-O set was über wonky. Next year so far isn't any better... another G1 combiner and more seekers (albit Universe)... I'm hoping the BotCon figures will offer more variety, because G1 variety is not variety at all. The reason I mention this is because most of G1 is already updated besides the obscure. The Unicron Trilogy is all but ignored, I'd love to see an Override update. I'm sick of these obscure characters taking up space in each year's lineup when we could be getting better figures of characters more of us recognize and love

MartianSpyGirl1996 wrote:Beast Wars molds, they clearly have access to them.

Not a whole lot of them. Several of those molds no longer exist. And which ones actually resemble Squeezeplay or Horri-bull enough to make for good-looking updates?

MartianSpyGirl1996 wrote:even the Kre-O set was über wonky.

What?! Dr. Arkeville, Nightbird, Autobot X, Donny Finkleberg, Animated Sentinel Prime, and the Animated Headmaster are all well recognized characters, and said line up was the reason I bought the set over any previous BotCon kreon sets.

MartianSpyGirl1996 wrote:Next year so far isn't any better... another G1 combiner

That has never existed before, being something completely new and made out of a fan favorite team that hasn't seen the light of day since 1989.

MartianSpyGirl1996 wrote:and more seekers (albit Universe)... The Unicron Trilogy is all but ignored,

Skywarp and Ramjet are both Unicron Trilogy toys/characters.

How this rant comes across as, is that you're pissed that they aren't making specifically what YOU want them to make. And that's pretty unrealistic. Those Mayhem guys coming out next year? I've no clue who they are. But I'm not about to start complaining about it, cause there's parts of the fandom that can appreciate them.

So I reiterate:

shajaki wrote:Right. And you can't please everyone.

So long as they keep giving us obscure niche things, they're doing their job

Ok, that Tarantulas looks super sweet. However I'm not the biggest Beast Wars fan since I grew up with G1, but I still like it. Like the Thustinator and Rampage from 2.0 I have and the Lio Convoy. I didn't do TFSS this time around as only 1 really I want from it. Now seeing Tarantulas though I really like the look of him. Still the only one I am going to try to buy is Krok. But if I had the old pre-Beast Wars Botcon set and the other random figures relating to it, that Tarantulas would be a must have

Sabrblade wrote:

MartianSpyGirl1996 wrote:Beast Wars molds, they clearly have access to them.

Not a whole lot of them. Several of those molds no longer exist. And which ones actually resemble Squeezeplay or Horri-bull enough to make for good-looking updates?

MartianSpyGirl1996 wrote:Next year so far isn't any better... another G1 combiner

That has never existed before, being something completely new and made out of a fan favorite team that hasn't seen the light of day since 1989.

MartianSpyGirl1996 wrote:and more seekers (albit Universe)... The Unicron Trilogy is all but ignored,

Skywarp and Ramjet are both Unicron Trilogy toys/characters.

Plesae don't take the characters I listed as being exactly what I want, or what the club should be doing. I was merely listing off examples of semi-obscure characters that could use an update, which hasbro, most likely, were not going to update off the top of my head.

My point was that we don't need a tfss full of super-deep obscure stuff, which would require multiple lectures from you on (I remember several long explanations of who this years figures were from you earlier in the thread) You can give us SOME super deep obscure stuff, but maybe limit it to 1-2 per year and then fill the rest of it out with normally obscure characters.

AS for next year, I recognized all of them in general, and am thrilled that we are getting some nice updates to figures that, while not super obscure, are not overly well known to everyone, and I think that that is a nice balance.

To whomever the following may concern, Marvel G1 is not some super obscure thing. It preceded and outlived the G1 cartoon, and was the mainstream G1 fiction both for all of the cartoon-less years and in several parts of the world like the UK (a whopping 332 issues is hardly something to ignore).

Just reviewing the pics for next years tfss; so we're only getting two remolded parts? Bludgeons head and ramjet/skywarps head? I know we're getting 4 targetmasters ( ) in lieu of the arms-microns, but only 2 new heads seems a little low; while I'm sure the price won't reflect that, is this precedented?

I know this year: ratbat (technically new), croc, carzap (maybe?), nacelle is a weird fusion of two molds right?

Hellscream9999 wrote:Just reviewing the pics for next years tfss; so we're only getting two remolded parts? Bludgeons head and ramjet/skywarps head? I know we're getting 4 targetmasters ( ) in lieu of the arms-microns, but only 2 new heads seems a little low; while I'm sure the price won't reflect that, is this precedented?

I know this year: ratbat (technically new), croc, carzap (maybe?), nacelle is a weird fusion of two molds right?

We've yet to see the final 2 of next year's Subscription Service (we've seen only 5). Plus, Skywarp/Ramjet are not part of it, being regular Club figures instead. For this year:

Carzap: new head mold (1)
Krok: new head mold (2)
Nacelle: mix of Classics Starscream and BotCon 2007 Thrust
Taratulas: straight redeco
Serpent O.R.: straight redeco (of a Japanese-only figure)
G2 Starscream: straight redeco

Two brand new heads, three if we're counting Lio Convoy/Nova Prime.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:Just reviewing the pics for next years tfss; so we're only getting two remolded parts? Bludgeons head and ramjet/skywarps head? I know we're getting 4 targetmasters ( ) in lieu of the arms-microns, but only 2 new heads seems a little low; while I'm sure the price won't reflect that, is this precedented?

I know this year: ratbat (technically new), croc, carzap (maybe?), nacelle is a weird fusion of two molds right?

We've yet to see the final 2 of next year's Subscription Service (we've seen only 5). Plus, Skywarp/Ramjet are not part of it, being regular Club figures instead. For this year:

Carzap: new head mold (1)
Krok: new head mold (2)
Nacelle: mix of Classics Starscream and BotCon 2007 Thrust
Taratulas: straight redeco
Serpent O.R.: straight redeco (of a Japanese-only figure)
G2 Starscream: straight redeco

Two brand new heads, three if we're counting Lio Convoy/Nova Prime.

Thanks, I technically count the free one and its repaint, b/c technically you are paying for them both I assume the last figure is either shockwave or powerglide to be used as a weapon, or groove if the rumor of him having a weapon form for Victorion are true.

As for the yearly TFSS remolds, 1.0 had two new heads (Slipstream and Jackpot), 2.0 had three (Thrustinator, Chromedome, and Rewind/Eject), 3.0 has two (Carzap and Krok), and 4.0 has one known one (Bludgeon's standard robot mode).

It's usually the BotCon exclusives that have the many retools.

Sabrblade wrote:As for the yearly TFSS remolds, 1.0 had two new heads (Slipstream and Jackpot), 2.0 had three (Thrustinator, Chromedome, and Rewind/Eject), 3.0 has two (Carzap and Krok), and 4.0 has one known one (Bludgeon's standard robot mode).

It's usually the BotCon exclusives that have the many retools.

Alright, thanks , having never gotten any of them, I've lost track of it all.

If we're talking things we'd like to see that could be done with contemporary molds, I'd like:

G2 Gobots (released and unreleased)
Spychangers
And maybe a Go-Bot nod or two.

If you're looking at an interesting cross-brand option, maybe:

RiD Spychangers Combiner with Stormjet (Cyclonus tooling) as leader. Hotshot, Crosswise, Ironhide, and Mirage.

G2 Gobots Combiner with Pyro (Onslaught tooling, he's a non-rescue weaponized firetruck) as leader. Ironhide, Mirage, Bumblebee, and maybe unreleased G2 Wheeljack?

Thunderclash would work well as a CW Prime homage. There are a few options for MW homages, particularly with a mix of factions.

You could probably get a fairly decent set of Gobots homages from CW molds. (Leader One and Cy-Kill anyway.)

Or for that matter Energon.

I think taken altogether, maybe a year with Thunderclash from CW Prime (new head, Motormaster tooling), RiD Ironhide (that deco rocks, from the CW Ironhide tooling), Cy-Kill (Groove), G2 Gobot Mirage (Mirage/Dragstrip), and Cybertron Excellion (Rock). Huffer as Universe Apelinq from Sentinel Maximus.

Although while I'm tossing screwball premises out:

Soundwave as a Combiner with Rumble, Frenzy, Buzzsaw, and Laserbeak as limbs. Might need a new peg for Ravage in the chest. Combines to form Soundblaster. Seems more like a retail release though, with LB and BS as jets with bird heads in robot mode and R & F maybe sporting their G2 Gobot decos.

Also, I would go NUTS if they ever had a 2005 movie combiner (there are good candidates for Springer and Kup and possibly Arcee and Blurr) with Rodimus as the core and Wheelie as the chest piece to form... ahahahaha... Rodimal Rodimus. Or Rodimus Supreme. But Rodimal Rodimus just pleases my love of the screwball.

Great ideas! I'd love a new Thunderclash, and Spychangers that weren't tiny bricks would be wonderful

shajaki wrote:Great ideas! I'd love a new Thunderclash, and Spychangers that weren't tiny bricks would be wonderful

I'm sorry, but I cannot abide the use of that op/mm mold We've got 4 solid designs (silverbolt, cyclonus, hotspot, and onslaught) lets stick to working with them; at least next years is gonna be great

Hellscream9999 wrote:

shajaki wrote:Great ideas! I'd love a new Thunderclash, and Spychangers that weren't tiny bricks would be wonderful

I'm sorry, but I cannot abide the use of that op/mm mold We've got 4 solid designs (silverbolt, cyclonus, hotspot, and onslaught) lets stick to working with them; at least next years is gonna be great

So don't abide. Or buy. The TC digibashes I've seen from MM look fantastic.

The only thing I want from the club is HFTD Terradive done up like Cyclonus with an IDW head.

Hellscream9999 wrote:I'm sorry, but I cannot abide the use of that op/mm mold

For me OP was ok, MM is far more suitable, but Grande Scourge is the shining star. Though I'm looking forward to Whitimus Prime

megatronus wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

shajaki wrote:Great ideas! I'd love a new Thunderclash, and Spychangers that weren't tiny bricks would be wonderful

I'm sorry, but I cannot abide the use of that op/mm mold We've got 4 solid designs (silverbolt, cyclonus, hotspot, and onslaught) lets stick to working with them; at least next years is gonna be great

So don't abide. Or buy. The TC digibashes I've seen from MM look fantastic.

The only thing I want from the club is HFTD Terradive done up like Cyclonus with an IDW head.

Sorry, just can't stand the combined mode and don't really want more slots filled by a sub-standard design.

That terradive, however, is