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Sabrblade wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Ultra Markus wrote:so what is the combiner torso mode going to look like?

Like Superion, only in red and grey

With some of Tarantulas's colors integrated to make all five components look good together.

i was hoping for a new head sculpt

Ultra Markus wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Ultra Markus wrote:so what is the combiner torso mode going to look like?

Like Superion, only in red and grey

With some of Tarantulas's colors integrated to make all five components look good together.

i was hoping for a new head sculpt

It'll have that too. Five new heads, remember?

I honestly think that all the dislike towards this is unjust for the most part, due to frustration stemming from two sources.

1) CW mold fatigue; say what you will, but, I think that deep down, we're all tired of seeing these same d@mn molds already - so seeing them again is only exacerbating the situation. Sure nosecone brawl w/ a drill is new (and only seeing one release) and scattershot is 'new', but considering that they are taking up at least 2 waves of next year and the tfcc set, I think I can safely say that everyone is more than a little tired of hasbro pushing these on us and funpub.

2) Hasbro ignoring the BW anniversary, thus making it someone else's issue to deal with. A bunch of d!ck moves out of hasbro lately. Not releasing extra limbs for all of our spare torso's we bought, and now, ignoring the anniversary of a beloved series that salvaged the brand just so they could cram more gimmick-laden G1 crap down our throats

Hellscream9999 wrote:I honestly think that all the dislike towards this is unjust for the most part, due to frustration stemming from two sources.

1) CW mold fatigue; say what you will, but, I think that deep down, we're all tired of seeing these same d@mn molds already - so seeing them again is only exacerbating the situation. Sure nosecone brawl w/ a drill is new (and only seeing one release) and scattershot is 'new', but considering that they are taking up at least 2 waves of next year and the tfcc set, I think I can safely say that everyone is more than a little tired of hasbro pushing these on us and funpub.

2) Hasbro ignoring the BW anniversary, thus making it someone else's issue to deal with. A bunch of d!ck moves out of hasbro lately. Not releasing extra limbs for all of our spare torso's we bought, and now, ignoring the anniversary of a beloved series that salvaged the brand just so they could cram more gimmick-laden G1 crap down our throats

There's one more sentiment I feel is at play here that thankfully is no longer as common as it used to be but still crops up every now and then:

3) Trukk not Munky! - The pro-G1, anti-BW (and anti-non-G1 in general) sentiment that has been in this fandom since 1996. It's quieted down over the years but still pops up every now and then whenever something wildly different from G1 shows up like the movies, Animated, Prime, Rescue Bots, etc. Of course, this sentiment seems to only come from the most irrational corners of the fandom while the majority is more mature and respectful towards the brand's diversity.

I do agree about the mold fatigue (I feel it despite still liking figures), the beast wars anniversary ignorance and the whole not-G1 thing. It it all a good argument. Hell, look at all the backlash from beast wars thrilling 30 figures. they don't get much respect

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:

MisterNewUzer wrote:This is a crock of bull, two toys in this box set already prove that, not to mention countless other toys from previous Botcons:

Transmetal Tarantulas and Ravage/Jaguar XJ9 already exist, we should give them completely garish and awful paintjobs because they have toys that exist.

Hey, Scorponok already has an existing G1 toy, let's just paint him purple!

Hey, Clench has an existing toy, let's make him resemble Optimus Prime instead!

This 2006 Games of Deception set is gonna be the bee's knees! But Dirge and Thrust already have toys, so let's not bother remolding them and just make them straight repaints of the Starscream mold, they'll love that!




That is just lazy and uninformed. I had hope in a great set before, now I'm putting my money towards something more thought out.

The hell are you rambling on about?


What you said does not make sense.





1: They have toys yes but Agent Ravage himself does not have a modern mold Alternators does not fit with classics.




2: That Scorponok did not have a modern articulated counterpart like Metroplex dpes and that mold did not have a G1 repaint already and they gave it a headmaster function.



3: How the hell does Clench look like Optimus Prime? He really doesn't.




4: Neither Dirge or Thrust were straight redecos of Starscream and at the time they did not have the classics update and Thrust does have remolding.

It makes sense in the context of the interviewees comment, in case you missed it (which obviously you did)

He essentially stated that because they have existing toys in the existing colors already, they needed to do something different. which is nonsense, obviously, because all of the toys I mentioned have existing toys and got updated figures via Botcon with mostly accurate colors.

So to respond to your misinformed statements:

I was obviously speaking in rhetorical nonsense, making statements in line with his previous "oh it already exists so let's do something different with this character" statement.

1- Jaguar X-9 exists, and though he doesn't quite fit in with "classics" as you stated, we're not talking about CHUG, this is about updates of characters who had pre-existing toys. The new Ravage in this Botcon set has a very similar visage to X-9.


2- You're really missing the point here. If were to follow the nonsensical "it exists so lets make it different instead" logic, we would have the folks at Botcon making similar statements about a Purple Scorponok...

3- ... a Red and Blue Clench figure...

4- ...and Starscream repaints of the coneheads with no remolding at all.


HOWEVER, as you deigned to try and point out to me that which I was already aware of, none of those things exist, thankfully. INSTEAD, the Botcon guys said "oh, these folks all have existing toys... but instead of doing something completely different and off the wall with them, lets give them a GOOD modern update.

Which is what should be happening with the Tripredacus Council. Instead we're getting something that's based on colors nobody can even agree on the characters actually being or if it was a lighting issue.

You need to learn what sarcasm is, and practice your reading comprehension, friend.

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:

1984forever wrote:Fun pub has to know that they're going to lose money on this set.

You say this like your actually right about anything.


You'r not a Beast Wars fan (or well fan a fan of anything) you kinda have no place to say what is going to happen when it comes to sells.

*you're
**sales

MisterNewUzer wrote:He essentially stated that because they have existing toys in the existing colors already, they needed to do something different. which is nonsense, obviously, because all of the toys I mentioned have existing toys and got updated figures via Botcon with mostly accurate colors.

Nowhere in TF_JW's commentary does he say that they "needed" to do anything different with the colors. He said that, because the original toys in their original colors both exist and still hold up to this day, while toys of the show models and colors don't exist, they opted to try something different from the toys by giving us something new that hasn't been done before. This is less "needing" to do something different and more "wanting" to do something different.

They had every right to go with either the original toy colors or the cartoon colors, and simply wanted to do the latter instead of the former since we already have the former but don't have the latter.

MisterNewUzer wrote:You need to learn what sarcasm is, and practice your reading comprehension, friend.

Sorry this is the internet, sarcasm is mostly in knowing a persons personality, and vocal inflection - neither of which can be conveyed through a post on the internet. Best thing you could do is italicize the sarcasm, as that is the nearest thing to a 'rule' on internet sarcasm as you can get.

Hellscream9999 wrote:

MisterNewUzer wrote:You need to learn what sarcasm is, and practice your reading comprehension, friend.

Sorry this is the internet, sarcasm is mostly in knowing a persons personality, and vocal inflection - neither of which can be conveyed through a post on the internet. Best thing you could do is italicize the sarcasm, as that is the nearest thing to a 'rule' on internet sarcasm as you can get.

Use of emoticons likewise helps in convey sarcasm. (NOTE: this is not a sarcastic message)

Also sometimes helps to finish a sentence with this.[/sarcasm] (NOTE: this is not sarcastic either)

Sabrblade wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

MisterNewUzer wrote:You need to learn what sarcasm is, and practice your reading comprehension, friend.

Sorry this is the internet, sarcasm is mostly in knowing a persons personality, and vocal inflection - neither of which can be conveyed through a post on the internet. Best thing you could do is italicize the sarcasm, as that is the nearest thing to a 'rule' on internet sarcasm as you can get.

Use of emoticons likewise helps in convey sarcasm. (NOTE: this is not a sarcastic message)

Also sometimes helps to finish a sentence with this.[/sarcasm] (NOTE: this is not sarcastic either)

Yup, there are ways to convey it, but, expecting people to pick up on it, when they have no idea on your views, or personality, it just doesn't work like that

I take no issue with the Tri-Predacus Council members. At this point, I think perhaps FunPub should have considered a Silverbolt-into-Thunderwing redeco and Hot Spot-into-Seaclamp redeco, but I'm more or less OK with the 3 Council members as red and grey representations of the show model.

Ravage and Tarantulus? Still misfires. I'm not sure I'm happy about hearing that Tarantulus' colors will be pulled into the combined mode. Would have been much happier with a black leg to match Ravage. (Still, I would have preferred something entirely different for Ravage.)

megatronus wrote:I take no issue with the Tri-Predacus Council members. At this point, I think perhaps FunPub should have considered a Silverbolt-into-Thunderwing redeco and Hot Spot-into-Seaclamp redeco, but I'm more or less OK with the 3 Council members as red and grey representations of the show model.

Ravage and Tarantulus? Still misfires. I'm not sure I'm happy about hearing that Tarantulus' colors will be pulled into the combined mode. Would have been much happier with a black leg to match Ravage. (Still, I would have preferred something entirely different for Ravage.)

I would've rather they reissued the bw tm ravage figure, but I'm still happy.

megatronus wrote:I take no issue with the Tri-Predacus Council members. At this point, I think perhaps FunPub should have considered a Silverbolt-into-Thunderwing redeco and Hot Spot-into-Seaclamp redeco, but I'm more or less OK with the 3 Council members as red and grey representations of the show model.

Ravage and Tarantulus? Still misfires. I'm not sure I'm happy about hearing that Tarantulus' colors will be pulled into the combined mode. Would have been much happier with a black leg to match Ravage. (Still, I would have preferred something entirely different for Ravage.)

It still kinda works with the main black on Tarantulas and the black of Ravage, so who knows, maybe when the combined mode image is released many will change their minds

megatronus wrote:At this point, I think perhaps FunPub should have considered a Silverbolt-into-Thunderwing redeco and Hot Spot-into-Seaclamp redeco,

I agree with this, but would prefer the Cyclonus version of the mold for the Thunderwing idea, since Cyclonus's altmode is more of a space jet than Silverbolt's is, which would fit Thunderwing more.

megatronus wrote:Ravage and Tarantulus? Still misfires. I'm not sure I'm happy about hearing that Tarantulus' colors will be pulled into the combined mode. Would have been much happier with a black leg to match Ravage. (Still, I would have preferred something entirely different for Ravage.)

I too wish Ravage had been another mold, but mostly because the Breakdown mold doesn't look good as Ravage even though it offers the most room to accomodate Ravage's head while allowing said head to both look good and be properly-sized. It's those chunky lower legs that kill the look.

And I've said my piece about how I wish Tarantulas had been someone else, as he's made redundant by the TFSS figure more blocky than I'd like a Tarantulas toy to be.

That said, I get that they were sticking to onscreen characters as the two of them are notable and memorable in their own right compared to instead using two non-show characters who aren't nearly as well-liked. After all, Ravage is a super popular G1 character and Tarantulas is one of the most popular BW characters. In spite of the shortcomings of these two toys, that they represent characters people already love has a sort of appeal on its own. I could see that Tarantulas being a hot item at retail were it part of the main Combiner Wars line instead of a BotCon exclusive, even if its orange feet look really goofy.

Wow. So, so much angst in this thread.

I'm one of those who's just burnt out on the CW molds already, even if I only have the Stunticons and one Protectobot. But I can understand that FunPub were painted into a corner, creatively. Hasbro probably put the pressure on them to use the CW molds. And better a subpar acknowledgement of Beast Wars' 20th than none. It looks like Hasbro isn't doing anything themselves, which is annoying.

Don't get me wrong, I have no interest in this set. But it's not worth getting worked up over. Hasbro has been doing amazing in the homage department these past few years and giving us fanboys more service than we ever imagined, but we're not entitled to it. I thought it was quite gentlemanly for a representative of FunPub to come on here and tell us the line of thought that went into their decisions. They didn't have to do that.

For those getting so worked up over this, I say to you: Go outside. That big, bright ball in the sky won't hurt you.

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

megatronus wrote:Ravage and Tarantulus? Still misfires. I'm not sure I'm happy about hearing that Tarantulus' colors will be pulled into the combined mode. Would have been much happier with a black leg to match Ravage. (Still, I would have preferred something entirely different for Ravage.)

It still kinda works with the main black on Tarantulas and the black of Ravage, so who knows, maybe when the combined mode image is released many will change their minds

Tarantulus is more of a dark blue - not black. He also has all those other highlights: orange, lime green, purple, etc. Also, even if he was predominantly black with red and grey highlights similar to Ravage, both figures would suffer from the poor mold choices.

Sabrblade wrote:

megatronus wrote:At this point, I think perhaps FunPub should have considered a Silverbolt-into-Thunderwing redeco and Hot Spot-into-Seaclamp redeco,

I agree with this, but would prefer the Cyclonus version of the mold for the Thunderwing idea, since Cyclonus's altmode is more of a space jet than Silverbolt's is, which would fit Thunderwing more.

Agreed. Cyclonus would have been the better choice.

Sabrblade wrote:

megatronus wrote:Ravage and Tarantulus? Still misfires. I'm not sure I'm happy about hearing that Tarantulus' colors will be pulled into the combined mode. Would have been much happier with a black leg to match Ravage. (Still, I would have preferred something entirely different for Ravage.)

I too wish Ravage had been another mold, but mostly because the Breakdown mold doesn't look good as Ravage even though it offers the most room to accomodate Ravage's head while allowing said head to both look good and be properly-sized. It's those chunky lower legs that kill the look.

And I've said my piece about how I wish Tarantulas had been someone else, as he's made redundant by the TFSS figure more blocky than I'd like a Tarantulas toy to be.

That said, I get that they were sticking to onscreen characters as the two of them are notable and memorable in their own right compared to instead using two non-show characters who aren't nearly as well-liked. After all, Ravage is a super popular G1 character and Tarantulas is one of the most popular BW characters. In spite of the shortcomings of these two toys, that they represent characters people already love has a sort of appeal on its own. I could see that Tarantulas being a hot item at retail were it part of the main Combiner Wars line instead of a BotCon exclusive, even if its orange feet look really goofy.

Both are boxy and chunky - that's really the main issue. Honestly, there just aren't many recent molds that would have done these two justice, unless FunPub went back a little farther and pulled out a few Prime: First Edition or PRiD molds, which have that sleek, organic look that lends itself to Beast Wars homages.

Besides, it's been the Club's prerogative to throw out obscure characters in the past (Ferak, anyone?), so even more so, when the end goal is a badass combiner, I would expect to see obscure limb choices that round out the look of that combiner, versus the TFSS 4.0 choices where the focus is the individual bots, with a neat combiner aspect that homages something more obscure.

megatronus wrote:Besides, it's been the Club's prerogative to throw out obscure characters in the past (Ferak, anyone?), so even more so, when the end goal is a badass combiner, I would expect to see obscure limb choices that round out the look of that combiner, versus the TFSS 4.0 choices where the focus is the individual bots, with a neat combiner aspect that homages something more obscure.

I think the Tripredacus Council itself fills the Club's quota of obscure characters fairly well, even outnumbering the more known and more popular Ravage and Tarantulas 3 to 2.

Sabrblade wrote:

megatronus wrote:Besides, it's been the Club's prerogative to throw out obscure characters in the past (Ferak, anyone?), so even more so, when the end goal is a badass combiner, I would expect to see obscure limb choices that round out the look of that combiner, versus the TFSS 4.0 choices where the focus is the individual bots, with a neat combiner aspect that homages something more obscure.

I think the Tripredacus Council itself fills the Club's quota of obscure characters fairly well, even outnumbering the more known and more popular Ravage and Tarantulas 3 to 2.

Ravage, sure, but BW Ravage? Pretty obscure.

Plus, I would challenge the obscurity of the Tri-Predacus Council. Between the toys and the show, I think they are fairly well known to BW fans.

megatronus wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

megatronus wrote:Besides, it's been the Club's prerogative to throw out obscure characters in the past (Ferak, anyone?), so even more so, when the end goal is a badass combiner, I would expect to see obscure limb choices that round out the look of that combiner, versus the TFSS 4.0 choices where the focus is the individual bots, with a neat combiner aspect that homages something more obscure.

I think the Tripredacus Council itself fills the Club's quota of obscure characters fairly well, even outnumbering the more known and more popular Ravage and Tarantulas 3 to 2.

Ravage, sure, but BW Ravage? Pretty obscure.

Plus, I would challenge the obscurity of the Tri-Predacus Council. Between the toys and the show, I think they are fairly well known to BW fans.

The tri-predacus council wasn't obscure, they played an important part of the best season finale of all of tf lore, and bw ravage is G1 ravage, and I'm sure plenty of people remember that quite well as a cool throw-back to G1, that turned into something so much more. I don't why these guys have to be 'obscure', they made them to celebrate the anniversary, you don't need to look into it any further

Hellscream9999 wrote:

megatronus wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

megatronus wrote:Besides, it's been the Club's prerogative to throw out obscure characters in the past (Ferak, anyone?), so even more so, when the end goal is a badass combiner, I would expect to see obscure limb choices that round out the look of that combiner, versus the TFSS 4.0 choices where the focus is the individual bots, with a neat combiner aspect that homages something more obscure.

I think the Tripredacus Council itself fills the Club's quota of obscure characters fairly well, even outnumbering the more known and more popular Ravage and Tarantulas 3 to 2.

Ravage, sure, but BW Ravage? Pretty obscure.

Plus, I would challenge the obscurity of the Tri-Predacus Council. Between the toys and the show, I think they are fairly well known to BW fans.

The tri-predacus council wasn't obscure, they played an important part of the best season finale of all of tf lore, and bw ravage is G1 ravage, and I'm sure plenty of people remember that quite well as a cool throw-back to G1, that turned into something so much more. I don't why these guys have to be 'obscure', they made them to celebrate the anniversary, you don't need to look into it any further

I don't get why people keep saying that the Trippredacus council, or ravage, are obscure characters in relation to beast wars. They aren't. 3H beast wars characters are obscure, the tripredacus council and ravage were involved with major plot points and movements in the beast wars cartoon; not just behind the scenes, or implied actions.

When I say BW Ravage is obscure, it's only in relation to some of the better known things, such as the Tri-Predacus Council, which came up constantly and was mentioned beyond the 2 episodes Ravage appeared in. All of this is relative, not objective.

The Tripredacus Council are about as obscure as Devcon, probably even moreso, as they were only in a single episode of the whole show, and only in just one scene (I guess Transmutate would be more on Devcon's level of obscurity, having had an entire episode to itself). Don't forget that most of us who remember these three are uber-fans, higher up of nerd scale than the average fan. And because the Beast Wars had so few characters compared to most TF cartoons, even the most minimal roles tend to be listed among the main cast for the sake of bumping up the character roster.

But, to a lot of fans, these three are nobodies. As popular as Beast Wars is, there's still a large portion of the fandom that, either willfully or apathetically, ignores it, preferring to focus on other series like G1, the movies, Prime, or the IDW comics. To these fans, who aren't as versed in the BW lore, the Council is virtually a nonentity, as these fans have no connection or knowledge of its members, nor (in some rarer cases) care to.

megatronus wrote:When I say BW Ravage is obscure, it's only in relation to some of the better known things, such as the Tri-Predacus Council, which came up constantly and was mentioned beyond the 2 episodes Ravage appeared in. All of this is relative, not objective.

Outside of "The Agenda", the Council was only ever mentioned one other time, in "Other Victories", a whole 11 episodes after the 3-parter, and in the same episode that took Tarantulas (and any importance the Council had) out of the show.

Sabrblade wrote:The Tripredacus Council are about as obscure as Devcon, probably even moreso, as they were only in a single episode of the whole show, and only in just one scene (I guess Transmutate would be more on Devcon's level of obscurity, having had an entire episode to itself). Don't forget that most of us who remember these three are uber-fans, higher up of nerd scale than the average fan. And because the Beast Wars had so few characters compared to most TF cartoons, even the most minimal roles tend to be listed among the main cast for the sake of bumping up the character roster.

But, to a lot of fans, these three are nobodies. As popular as Beast Wars is, there's still a large portion of the fandom that, either willfully or apathetically, ignores it, preferring to focus on other series like G1, the movies, Prime, or the IDW comics. To these fans, who aren't as versed in the BW lore, the Council is virtually a nonentity, as these fans have no connection or

Wow you are either being really obtuse about beast wars, or are trying to downplay it's notoriety. I've talked to people who watched beast wars as a kid, and never had any other interaction with transformers, and they remember the tripredacus council and ravages involvement in the beast wars. Why? Because the agenda parts one through three are some of the most memorable, tightly written episodes of the 52 episode run. The tripredecus council, ravage, and even transmutate are nowhere near devcon levels of obscure. Here's why. Devcon appeared in one episode of the 98 episode of the sunbow cartoon. The sunbow cartoon, wasn't as well written as the beast wars, and the shows continuity was an absolute ****. Whenever a new character was introduced in Sunbow cartoon, they really had no character development or importance. In Beast wars, the writers tried to give new characters, even if they appeared in one episode, character development or influence over the plot and characters.

SW's SilverHammer wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:The Tripredacus Council are about as obscure as Devcon, probably even moreso, as they were only in a single episode of the whole show, and only in just one scene (I guess Transmutate would be more on Devcon's level of obscurity, having had an entire episode to itself). Don't forget that most of us who remember these three are uber-fans, higher up of nerd scale than the average fan. And because the Beast Wars had so few characters compared to most TF cartoons, even the most minimal roles tend to be listed among the main cast for the sake of bumping up the character roster.

But, to a lot of fans, these three are nobodies. As popular as Beast Wars is, there's still a large portion of the fandom that, either willfully or apathetically, ignores it, preferring to focus on other series like G1, the movies, Prime, or the IDW comics. To these fans, who aren't as versed in the BW lore, the Council is virtually a nonentity, as these fans have no connection or

Wow you are either being really obtuse about beast wars, or are trying to downplay it's notoriety. I've talked to people who watched beast wars as a kid, and never had any other interaction with transformers, and they remember the tripredacus council and ravages involvement in the beast wars. Why? Because the agenda parts one through three are some of the most memorable, tightly written episodes of the 52 episode run. The tripredecus council, ravage, and even transmutate are nowhere near devcon levels of obscure. Here's why. Devcon appeared in one episode of the 98 episode of the sunbow cartoon. The sunbow cartoon, wasn't as well written as the beast wars, and the shows continuity was an absolute ****. Whenever a new character was introduced in Sunbow cartoon, they really had no character development or importance. In Beast wars, the writers tried to give new characters, even if they appeared in one episode, character development or influence over the plot and characters.

Exactly, they even had toys;

(AND BEFORE ANYONE SAYS ANYTHING ABOUT THEM 'NOT LOOKING LIKE THEIR TOYS', NO, THEY DID NOT - NEITHER DID THE REST OF THE CAST UP 'TIL SEASON 2, BUT THE CONNECTION WAS THERE - which is quite a bit more than I can say about most other minor characters in other shows)