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Sabrblade wrote:Can't wait to see Impactor's new team of Wreckers all together once the rest of them get released (Counterpunch, Fractyl, and Toxitron, while Alpha Bravo and Offroad are both deceased now).

And then they shall Wreck and Rule once they combine into the mighty monstrosity created to fight Thunder Mayhem: Wreckage!!!



His gallery's gonna be so epic once the rest of his components get released.

I'm also really looking forward to Wreckage, especially Fractyl and Counterpunch.

So, does Fractyl not come with an HFG? I remember reading that Terrorsaur didn't come with one; does that carry over? And negated by using the sword as the Impactor-esque harpoon.

Does Toxitron have a new robot head, while using the Optimus Maximus combiner head on the Motormaster body? Can't recall.

RNSrobot wrote:So, does Fractyl not come with an HFG? I remember reading that Terrorsaur didn't come with one; does that carry over? And negated by using the sword as the Impactor-esque harpoon.

Fractyl should have a HFG. The use of Toxitron's sword as Wreckage's own Impactor-esque harpoon is just a little creativity on the Club's part. When Wreckage was previously formed with Alpha Bravo and Offroad instead of Impactor and Bluestreak, he had two normal hands.

RNSrobot wrote:Does Toxitron have a new robot head, while using the Optimus Maximus combiner head on the Motormaster body? Can't recall.

Toxitron uses the Ultra Prime/Optimus Maximus combiner head on the Motormaster body, and had a Hasbro-made pretooled standard robot head that was originally intended for a potential CW Nemesis Prime. But when Takara went and made their UW Grand Scourge figure, any plans for a CW Nemesis Prime by Fun Pub were scrapped since Grand Scourge was essentially the same concept, so Fun Pub went instead with using the Nemesis head for a different evil Optimus lookalike: Toxitron.

Sabrblade wrote:

RNSrobot wrote:So, does Fractyl not come with an HFG? I remember reading that Terrorsaur didn't come with one; does that carry over? And negated by using the sword as the Impactor-esque harpoon.

Fractyl should have a HFG. The use of Toxitron's sword as Wreckage's own Impactor-esque harpoon is just a little creativity on the Club's part. When Wreckaged was previously formed with Alpha Bravo and Offroad instead of Impactor and Bluestreak, he had two normal hands.

RNSrobot wrote:Does Toxitron have a new robot head, while using the Optimus Maximus combiner head on the Motormaster body? Can't recall.

Toxitron uses the Ultra Prime/Optimus Maximus combiner head on the Motormaster body, and had a Hasbro-made pretooled standard robot head that was originally intended for a potential CW Nemesis Prime. But when Takara went and made their UW Grand Scourge figure, any plans for a CW Nemesis Prime by Fun Pub were scrapped since Grand Scourge was essentially the same concept, so Fun Pub went instead with using the Nemesis head for a different evil Optimus lookalike: Toxitron.

Beautiful!

The Counterpunch head is also a pretooled head that went unused, correct? Has anybody identified who it might have been for?

I like the colors on Impactor. I always thought his mohawk looked really neat. Kinda bummed he doesn't have his construction stripes though.

I always thought Bluestreak would be nice as a sniper (with blue energy ammunition), which seems to be kind of what they're going for here (albeit with his name coming from stealth technology rather than a sniper rifle).

TFwiki.net wrote:Part of the fifth portion of TFSS 5.0 toys, Fractyl is a redeco of BotCon 2016 Terrorsaur, who himself is a retool of Generations Combiner Wars Air Raid, who is in turn a retool of Skydive, and he transforms into a green F-14 Tomcat fighter jet. He is also capable of turning into an arm or leg for any Combiner Wars Voyager Class figure, but does not come with the usual hand/foot/gun accessory. Fractyl comes with Scorponok, who is a redeco of Generations Scamper.

If TFwiki is to be believed. But there's nothing that says you couldn't use someone else's HGF bit.

Nexus Knight wrote:

TFwiki.net wrote:Part of the fifth portion of TFSS 5.0 toys, Fractyl is a redeco of BotCon 2016 Terrorsaur, who himself is a retool of Generations Combiner Wars Air Raid, who is in turn a retool of Skydive, and he transforms into a green F-14 Tomcat fighter jet. He is also capable of turning into an arm or leg for any Combiner Wars Voyager Class figure, but does not come with the usual hand/foot/gun accessory. Fractyl comes with Scorponok, who is a redeco of Generations Scamper.

If TFwiki is to be believed. But there's nothing that says you couldn't use someone else's HGF bit.

I'll look into that and check that line's validity.

I need to dig out the impactor instructions with the pic of wreckage, but iirc the instructions show impactor's "rook" hfg positioned as a shoulder cannon --- not as wreckage's foot (in lieu of fractyl coming with his own). The two cars have their appropriate hfg.

Why exactly did terrorsaur NOT come with one?

RNSrobot wrote:Why exactly did terrorsaur NOT come with one?

The simplest answer given was that the factories simply didn't include it when they produced the figure.

RNSrobot wrote:I need to dig out the impactor instructions with the pic of wreckage, but iirc the instructions show impactor's "rook" hfg positioned as a shoulder cannon --- not as wreckage's foot (in lieu of fractyl coming with his own). The two cars have their appropriate hfg.

Why exactly did terrorsaur NOT come with one?

My assumption would be that unlike every other single-carded Combiner Wars limb releases, Terrorsaur simply doesn't have a designated/intended team to go with.

Nexus Knight wrote:

TFwiki.net wrote:Part of the fifth portion of TFSS 5.0 toys, Fractyl is a redeco of BotCon 2016 Terrorsaur, who himself is a retool of Generations Combiner Wars Air Raid, who is in turn a retool of Skydive, and he transforms into a green F-14 Tomcat fighter jet. He is also capable of turning into an arm or leg for any Combiner Wars Voyager Class figure, but does not come with the usual hand/foot/gun accessory. Fractyl comes with Scorponok, who is a redeco of Generations Scamper.

If TFwiki is to be believed. But there's nothing that says you couldn't use someone else's HGF bit.

Kinda strange that he'd come with Scorponok and not Sandstorm isn't it? What's the relationship with Scorponok? Just another piece for the Dawn of Future's Past set?

Emerje

I love the artwork. Wish the toy looked that awesome

Emerje wrote:

Nexus Knight wrote:

TFwiki.net wrote:Part of the fifth portion of TFSS 5.0 toys, Fractyl is a redeco of BotCon 2016 Terrorsaur, who himself is a retool of Generations Combiner Wars Air Raid, who is in turn a retool of Skydive, and he transforms into a green F-14 Tomcat fighter jet. He is also capable of turning into an arm or leg for any Combiner Wars Voyager Class figure, but does not come with the usual hand/foot/gun accessory. Fractyl comes with Scorponok, who is a redeco of Generations Scamper.

If TFwiki is to be believed. But there's nothing that says you couldn't use someone else's HGF bit.

Kinda strange that he'd come with Scorponok and not Sandstorm isn't it? What's the relationship with Scorponok? Just another piece for the Dawn of Future's Past set?

Emerje

The purpose of including Scorponok was to finally complete the cast of pre-beast Beast Wars characters from the show, as Scorponok was the last one needing to be done. The Scamper mold is considered an accessory, rather than a whole figure on its own, by Hasbro, so that status enabled Scorponok to be included in the TFSS 5.0 as an accessory to one of the six main figures rather than taking up a whole figure slot of its own.

As for why Scorponok was included with Fractyl specifically instead of with any of the others, Fractyl's the only character in the set who was originally a Beast Wars character, so I guess it made sense to package one BW character with another BW character.

With how many times I've pushed for the correct color for it, Fractyl had better come with a HFG!!

On the subject of Counterpunch's head, did Hasbro ever tell the Club who those heads were originally planned to be for? Reflector and "Nemesis Prime" were easy to guess, but Rook's (Brawl-like head) and Wheeljack's (used for Counterpunch) are less so.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:On the subject of Counterpunch's head, did Hasbro ever tell the Club who those heads were originally planned to be for? Reflector and "Nemesis Prime" were easy to guess, but Rook's (Brawl-like head) and Wheeljack's (used for Counterpunch) are less so.

Which Rook had a new head?

Yeah, I've been wondering the same for the Counterpunch head.

RNSrobot wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:On the subject of Counterpunch's head, did Hasbro ever tell the Club who those heads were originally planned to be for? Reflector and "Nemesis Prime" were easy to guess, but Rook's (Brawl-like head) and Wheeljack's (used for Counterpunch) are less so.

Which Rook had a new head?

Yeah, I've been wondering the same for the Counterpunch head.

CW Rook has an alternate head that resembles Brawl's. So far it has only seen use in Club fiction, look up Shattered Glass X-Brawn:

Counterpunch was designed as Counterpunch. Like Reflector and Ratchet, he was one of the suggestions made by the design team to Fun Pub.

As far as Rook's alternate head... OMAM and its prose stories were sort of like the Club's take on Combiner Wars, weren't they? I wonder if there were any hints in there?

TF_JW wrote:As far as Rook's alternate head... OMAM and its prose stories were sort of like the Club's take on Combiner Wars, weren't they? I wonder if there were any hints in there?

Ironclad, yes.

The reason we are to believe that there is a brawl-looking head for the rook mold is not simply because it appeared in fiction, but because we haven't seen what the actual official 'pretool' head is, correct?

In other words, it isn't just because we saw this head in a comic book that we assumed it exists, right?

I understand the reasoning behind believing a hoist head-mold to be in existence, as there is no other reasonable explanation for the SG autotroopers' heads to resemble Hoist's other than it being based on an actual mold, but this alternate rook headsculpt has no obvious re-use that I can see.

Additionally, what is with all the claims that the wiki has for this 'Ironclad' character appearing to be an early plan for a technobot? 'Mustard tan and grey' doesn't ring any bells.

Apologies for the wordy post, hopefully my point gets across.

MagicDeath wrote:The reason we are to believe that there is a brawl-looking head for the rook mold is not simply because it appeared in fiction, but because we haven't seen what the actual official 'pretool' head is, correct?

In other words, it isn't just because we saw this head in a comic book that we assumed it exists, right?

I understand the reasoning behind believing a hoist head-mold to be in existence, as there is no other reasonable explanation for the SG autotroopers' heads to resemble Hoist's other than it being based on an actual mold, but this alternate rook headsculpt has no obvious re-use that I can see.

Additionally, what is with all the claims that the wiki has for this 'Ironclad' character appearing to be an early plan for a technobot? 'Mustard tan and grey' doesn't ring any bells.

Apologies for the wordy post, hopefully my point gets across.

The final "Of Masters and Mayhem" prose story, "Lively Pursuit", explained (or at least strongly alluded to without just coming out and straightforwardly saying*) what the Brawl-headed Rook pretool was going to be: A brand new Technobot named Ironclad whose deco would have been mustard tan and gray, and who would have replaced Afterburner as a limb like how Alpha Bravo, Offroad, and Rook did for Slingshot/Quickslinger, Wildrider/Brake-Neck, and Groove, respectively, with Afterburner still accounted for via a use of the Legends class Groove mold, which would have had him attach to Ironclad in arm mode to be Computron's sixth component a la Powerglide for Superion, Blackjack for Menasor, Legends class Groove for Defensor, Shockwave for Bruticus, etc.

I read the story before I even saw the Wiki's reflecting what the story said, so I knew what the story was talking about without the Wiki's help.

Why the plans for Ironclad were nixed we can only guess, but I strongly suspect that Takara's producing their Deluxe class version of Groove, and then its having been retooled into a Deluxe version version of Afterburner, had something to do with it. My theory is that Takara were the ones who created the Deluxe Afterburner retool, while Hasbro was originally going to go with using the Legends class Groove mold for CW "Afterbreaker". But then Hasbro saw Takara's Deluxe Afterburner, and decided to go with that instead of making Afterburner a Legends and replacing him with another newcomer. After all, with CW Computron being in a Collection Pack instead of in separate mass retail figures, Hasbro probably figured that the more hardcore adult G1 fans would be the more likely consumers for the set than the younger, less-G1-beholden fans, and deduced that a Computron whose limbs all consist of the classic members would be the more enticing option. But, as Hasbro was not to let Computron go without a sixth legends class member, a simple retooling of Cosmos w/ Payload into Scrounge w/ Cybaxx both fulfilled that quota and added an extra layer of 1980s G1 nerdiness to the set.



* -- Because the story expected that its readers would be savvy enough to recognize what it was alluding to without having to bluntly spell it out for the readers.

Sabrblade wrote:

MagicDeath wrote:The reason we are to believe that there is a brawl-looking head for the rook mold is not simply because it appeared in fiction, but because we haven't seen what the actual official 'pretool' head is, correct?

In other words, it isn't just because we saw this head in a comic book that we assumed it exists, right?

I understand the reasoning behind believing a hoist head-mold to be in existence, as there is no other reasonable explanation for the SG autotroopers' heads to resemble Hoist's other than it being based on an actual mold, but this alternate rook headsculpt has no obvious re-use that I can see.

Additionally, what is with all the claims that the wiki has for this 'Ironclad' character appearing to be an early plan for a technobot? 'Mustard tan and grey' doesn't ring any bells.

Apologies for the wordy post, hopefully my point gets across.

The final "Of Masters and Mayhem" prose story, "Lively Pursuit", explained (or at least strongly alluded to without just coming out and straightforwardly saying*) what the Brawl-headed Rook pretool was going to be: A brand new Technobot named Ironclad whose deco would have been mustard tan and gray, and who would have replaced Afterburner as a limb like how Alpha Bravo, Offroad, and Rook did for Slingshot/Quickslinger, Wildrider/Brake-Neck, and Groove, respectively, with Afterburner still accounted for via a use of the Legends class Groove mold, which would have had him attach to Ironclad in arm mode to be Computron's sixth component a la Powerglide for Superion, Blackjack for Menasor, Legends class Groove for Defensor, Shockwave for Bruticus, etc.

I read the story before I even saw the Wiki's reflecting what the story said, so I knew what the story was talking about without the Wiki's help.

Why the plans for Ironclad were nixed we can only guess, but I strongly suspect that Takara's producing their Deluxe class version of Groove, and then its having been retooled into a Deluxe version version of Afterburner, had something to do with it. My theory is that Takara were the ones who created the Deluxe Afterburner retool, while Hasbro was originally going to go with using the Legends class Groove mold for CW "Afterbreaker". But then Hasbro saw Takara's Deluxe Afterburner, and decided to go with that instead of making Afterburner a Legends and replacing him with another newcomer. After all, with CW Computron being in a Collection Pack instead of in separate mass retail figures, Hasbro probably figured that the more hardcore adult G1 fans would be the more likely consumers for the set than the younger, less-G1-beholden fans, and deduced that a Computron whose limbs all consist of the classic members would be the more enticing option. But, as Hasbro was not to let Computron go without a sixth legends class member, a simple retooling of Cosmos w/ Payload into Scrounge w/ Cybaxx both fulfilled that quota and added an extra layer of 1980s G1 nerdiness to the set.



* -- Because the story expected that its readers would be savvy enough to recognize what it was alluding to without having to bluntly spell it out for the readers.

Okay, so the way in which Ironclad was referred to essentially describes that he was a planned technobot at some time, and the fact that we see a similar head on X-Brawn practically confirms that this head is in actually in existence. Whether or not it will be used on a toy is a different story.
Did I get that right?

And, yeah, after reading that there was an Afterburner attachment to Ironclad, I figured that it was the groove mold, and that Ironclad would have formed an arm with Afterburner on top, rather than Afterburner forming it himself. What I didn't get was that Ironclad was a completely new character, and that the 'mustard tan and grey' was just a nice color scheme. Thanks for clearing that all up.
Also, that reasoning is exactly what I suspect was going on inside Hasbro.

I've decided to sell my Thunder Mayhem, Bluestreak & Impactor, loose bagged (unopened) Predacus, and Botcon Magnaboss (Tigatron, Unit-3, the three retail toys with stickers).

If anybody's interested before I put them on ebay let me know. Thanks.

I know there are fans and Club members out there wondering what's going with the Crossover toys and TFSS 5.0.

The TCC will be adding the latest update on all the specifics into the next TCC Magazine (Issue #72).

If you paid for the toys, you will get them. And it will be the TCC/Fun Pub who ships them out (If you're wondering about a repeat of Sentinel Maximus).