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Hey guys I'm going to tell about Lithonians 
1)We all already know they can have kids ( however they have them). 

2)We also see robokids of different size and ages, which means that they do grow. 

3)They are a race of male and female too. Maybe Cybertronians were once like this too and also have kids. Wheelie is a Cybertronian child and I doubt he's the only child Cybertronian. He's probably just the only one we know of. Since that Cybertronian fems are rare it would make sense if the child Cybertronians were even more rare. In Forever Is A Long Time Coming, you'll see what maybe Cybertronian kids when Beta first introduce her rebel group.

4) They have green light on their backs.

5) The Lithonians were suppose to be rock people, but that has gotten drop. They're planet ( as seen in the movie) is not cover in all metal. You can still see some rocks.

6) Lithonians have emotional circuits ( a very high one) in their computer brains. They are not vengeful and are lenient towards troublemakers. 

7)The Lithonians were suppose to transform, but that has gotten drop. They did transform in the Marvel comic books though.

Longlive Roddie wrote:Hey guys I'm going to tell about Lithonians 
1)We all already know they can have kids ( however they have them). 

2)We also see robokids of different size and ages, which means that they do grow. 

3)They are a race of male and female too. Maybe Cybertronians were once like this too and also have kids. Wheelie is a Cybertronian child and I doubt he's the only child Cybertronian. He's probably just the only one we know of. Since that Cybertronian fems are rare it would make sense if the child Cybertronians were even more rare. In Forever Is A Long Time Coming, you'll see what maybe Cybertronian kids when Beta first introduce her rebel group.

4) They have green light on their backs.

5) The Lithonians were suppose to be rock people, but that has gotten drop. They're planet ( as seen in the movie) is not cover in all metal. You can still see some rocks.

6) Lithonians have emotional circuits ( a very high one) in their computer brains. They are not vengeful and are lenient towards troublemakers. 

7)The Lithonians were suppose to transform, but that has gotten drop. They did transform in the Marvel comic books though.

You’re actually making a few assumptions

1)We all know they have children, however we do NOT they can “have children”
For all we know they build their children

2)It is also possible that they build them new bodies for different stages/ages as they mature ....there’s an example of that in a star trek episode with androids

3)We know are a race of male and females, The cartoon never covered if Wheelie is a Cybertronian , but it is the case in other continuities

Whats the question with the rest?

I've always seen Wheelie as "Child-like" more than being an actual child. The rest I put down to artistic licence at the time.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Longlive Roddie wrote:Hey guys I'm going to tell about Lithonians 
1)We all already know they can have kids ( however they have them). 

2)We also see robokids of different size and ages, which means that they do grow. 

3)They are a race of male and female too. Maybe Cybertronians were once like this too and also have kids. Wheelie is a Cybertronian child and I doubt he's the only child Cybertronian. He's probably just the only one we know of. Since that Cybertronian fems are rare it would make sense if the child Cybertronians were even more rare. In Forever Is A Long Time Coming, you'll see what maybe Cybertronian kids when Beta first introduce her rebel group.

4) They have green light on their backs.

5) The Lithonians were suppose to be rock people, but that has gotten drop. They're planet ( as seen in the movie) is not cover in all metal. You can still see some rocks.

6) Lithonians have emotional circuits ( a very high one) in their computer brains. They are not vengeful and are lenient towards troublemakers. 

7)The Lithonians were suppose to transform, but that has gotten drop. They did transform in the Marvel comic books though.

You’re actually making a few assumptions

1)We all know they have children, however we do NOT they can “have children”
For all we know they build their children

2)It is also possible that they build them new bodies for different stages/ages as they mature ....there’s an example of that in a star trek episode with androids

3)We know are a race of male and females, The cartoon never covered if Wheelie is a Cybertronian , but it is the case in other continuities

Whats the question with the rest?

1)That's why I said however they have them. I read somewhere that they were built, but that was after I posted this.

2) The Lithone kids do grow the same we grow as this article stated.
https://dodermandefense.wordpress.com/tag/lithones/ (also stated them to be built. Before you say anything. I ask the person where they get their info from and they told me from wiki and quoted "My other source is a well-vetted nerd friend of mine and veritable G1 authority, who happens to own things like the Transformers 1986 movie production bible and many similar, behind-the-scenes kinds of material." Now the person also stated that they don't have the final version, so Lithones growing like us could've been dropped. I still don’t fully trust that website.

3) Wheelie is an autobot and all of them came from Cybertron. Even those who were built on other planets have ancestors that came from Cybertron. They never stated Wheelie to be one, but they never stated that he wasn't one. Also I don't remember them stating Rodimus or Springer being from Cybertronian. Even if Wheelie was born or built off of Cybertron, he's ancestors are autobots and autobots orignated from Cybertron and that's close enough. There were kids on Cybertron or maybe. I said maybe because those kids in Beta group in season 3 episode 11 when Beta first introduce her rebel group could've been short adults, but lets not throw out the possibility of them being childern.

Hoist [RENEGADE] wrote:I've always seen Wheelie as "Child-like" more than being an actual child. The rest I put down to artistic licence at the time.

Wheelie was stated to have parents, but that was in a different continuity. There's a list of Cybertronians who have parents/kids.https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Relatives#Parents_and_children.

I don't take too much stock in the "Tf wiki" this is also the same place that also says "Wheelie's "parents" die, but there's no mention of what happened to their bodies.", note the quotations mark for parents.

Even the terms "Brothers" can be take into context into not necessarily literal content is physically related as it states if we go by your TF wiki which also states: "Given that Transformers are not organic life and likely do not reproduce sexually, the origin, distinction, and exact meaning of many of these terms is frequently unclear." (And yes I have seen the other long thread about gender/reproduction).

In the end you can believe what you want to believe, I just don't happen to agree.

Hoist [RENEGADE] wrote:I don't take too much stock in the "Tf wiki" this is also the same place that also says "Wheelie's "parents" die, but there's no mention of what happened to their bodies.", note the quotations mark for parents.

Even the terms "Brothers" can be take into context into not necessarily literal content is physically related as it states if we go by your TF wiki which also states: "Given that Transformers are not organic life and likely do not reproduce sexually, the origin, distinction, and exact meaning of many of these terms is frequently unclear." (And yes I have seen the other long thread about gender/reproduction).

In the end you can believe what you want to believe, I just don't happen to agree.

True. Parents for them could mean whoever raise and built them. Wheelie parents were mention in Wheelie , Wild Boy of Quintessa, but never stated who or what his parents are. They could be giant organics for all we know. That same book never talks about what happen to their bodies either.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Longlive Roddie wrote:Hey guys I'm going to tell about Lithonians 
1)We all already know they can have kids ( however they have them). 

2)We also see robokids of different size and ages, which means that they do grow. 

3)They are a race of male and female too. Maybe Cybertronians were once like this too and also have kids. Wheelie is a Cybertronian child and I doubt he's the only child Cybertronian. He's probably just the only one we know of. Since that Cybertronian fems are rare it would make sense if the child Cybertronians were even more rare. In Forever Is A Long Time Coming, you'll see what maybe Cybertronian kids when Beta first introduce her rebel group.

4) They have green light on their backs.

5) The Lithonians were suppose to be rock people, but that has gotten drop. They're planet ( as seen in the movie) is not cover in all metal. You can still see some rocks.

6) Lithonians have emotional circuits ( a very high one) in their computer brains. They are not vengeful and are lenient towards troublemakers. 

7)The Lithonians were suppose to transform, but that has gotten drop. They did transform in the Marvel comic books though.

You’re actually making a few assumptions

1)We all know they have children, however we do NOT they can “have children”
For all we know they build their children

2)It is also possible that they build them new bodies for different stages/ages as they mature ....there’s an example of that in a star trek episode with androids

3)We know are a race of male and females, The cartoon never covered if Wheelie is a Cybertronian , but it is the case in other continuities

Whats the question with the rest?

That website I posted...not for sure if it’s 100% reliable. First of all the person never link any source, just where he got them from. I wouldn’t call them sources. More like what my friend said. Second of all it makes no sense to a whole bio for race that weren’t important. And last of all, the source that the person use is not good. One is not trustworthy (Tfwiki) and other is outdated. Not the final production.

Longlive Roddie wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Longlive Roddie wrote:Hey guys I'm going to tell about Lithonians 
1)We all already know they can have kids ( however they have them). 

2)We also see robokids of different size and ages, which means that they do grow. 

3)They are a race of male and female too. Maybe Cybertronians were once like this too and also have kids. Wheelie is a Cybertronian child and I doubt he's the only child Cybertronian. He's probably just the only one we know of. Since that Cybertronian fems are rare it would make sense if the child Cybertronians were even more rare. In Forever Is A Long Time Coming, you'll see what maybe Cybertronian kids when Beta first introduce her rebel group.

4) They have green light on their backs.

5) The Lithonians were suppose to be rock people, but that has gotten drop. They're planet ( as seen in the movie) is not cover in all metal. You can still see some rocks.

6) Lithonians have emotional circuits ( a very high one) in their computer brains. They are not vengeful and are lenient towards troublemakers. 

7)The Lithonians were suppose to transform, but that has gotten drop. They did transform in the Marvel comic books though.

You’re actually making a few assumptions

1)We all know they have children, however we do NOT they can “have children”
For all we know they build their children

2)It is also possible that they build them new bodies for different stages/ages as they mature ....there’s an example of that in a star trek episode with androids

3)We know are a race of male and females, The cartoon never covered if Wheelie is a Cybertronian , but it is the case in other continuities

Whats the question with the rest?

1)That's why I said however they have them. I read somewhere that they were built, but that was after I posted this.

Know what you said before was that they can have kids....Implying that they can give birth and there is no evidence of that

2) The Lithone kids do grow the same we grow

Again we do not know if they grow at all

As we have never seen this race of robots coverage very well, there’s a very good chance that they just build older bodies

The article you posted is not an official source and it does not seem to be based on an official source

3) Wheelie is an autobot and all of them came from Cybertron.

We don’t know where Wheelies or his parents or ancestors came from since it was never mentioned

There were kids on Cybertron or maybe. I said maybe because those kids in Beta group in season 3 episode 11 when Beta first introduce her rebel group could've been short adults, but lets not throw out the possibility of them being childern.

You are making assumptions again.There is no evidence that those smaller robots were kids

Did you forget what they all were built for?
Merchandise to be sold, consumer goods

Could be the smaller “kid looking” robots were built to be sold as toys for Alien children of other world, Or even as workers To be sold to aliens of worlds in habited by very small people

Hoist [RENEGADE] wrote:I don't take too much stock in the "Tf wiki" this is also the same place that also says "Wheelie's "parents" die, but there's no mention of what happened to their bodies.", note the quotations mark for parents.

You do realize TFWiki is not to be blamed for that right?
TFWiki is only reporting on what was in the official story , but they didn’t write it

The official bio Wheelie written by Marvel comics said his parents died, I believe in the crash, but the bio never went into much else nor did it cover what happened to their bodies

TFWiki gets more of a bad rep then it should, sure There have been some mistakes and they sometimes editorialize a bit more than they should but other than that it’s a pretty good source for basic facts

But I agree with you that terms like Brother’s parents and sisters and what have you been all have alternative meenings

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Longlive Roddie wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Longlive Roddie wrote:Hey guys I'm going to tell about Lithonians 
1)We all already know they can have kids ( however they have them). 

2)We also see robokids of different size and ages, which means that they do grow. 

3)They are a race of male and female too. Maybe Cybertronians were once like this too and also have kids. Wheelie is a Cybertronian child and I doubt he's the only child Cybertronian. He's probably just the only one we know of. Since that Cybertronian fems are rare it would make sense if the child Cybertronians were even more rare. In Forever Is A Long Time Coming, you'll see what maybe Cybertronian kids when Beta first introduce her rebel group.

4) They have green light on their backs.

5) The Lithonians were suppose to be rock people, but that has gotten drop. They're planet ( as seen in the movie) is not cover in all metal. You can still see some rocks.

6) Lithonians have emotional circuits ( a very high one) in their computer brains. They are not vengeful and are lenient towards troublemakers. 

7)The Lithonians were suppose to transform, but that has gotten drop. They did transform in the Marvel comic books though.

You’re actually making a few assumptions

1)We all know they have children, however we do NOT they can “have children”
For all we know they build their children

2)It is also possible that they build them new bodies for different stages/ages as they mature ....there’s an example of that in a star trek episode with androids

3)We know are a race of male and females, The cartoon never covered if Wheelie is a Cybertronian , but it is the case in other continuities

Whats the question with the rest?

1)That's why I said however they have them. I read somewhere that they were built, but that was after I posted this.

Know what you said before was that they can have kids....Implying that they can give birth and there is no evidence of that

2) The Lithone kids do grow the same we grow

Again we do not know if they grow at all

As we have never seen this race of robots coverage very well, there’s a very good chance that they just build older bodies

The article you posted is not an official source and it does not seem to be based on an official source

3) Wheelie is an autobot and all of them came from Cybertron.

We don’t know where Wheelies or his parents or ancestors came from since it was never mentioned

There were kids on Cybertron or maybe. I said maybe because those kids in Beta group in season 3 episode 11 when Beta first introduce her rebel group could've been short adults, but lets not throw out the possibility of them being childern.

You are making assumptions again.There is no evidence that those smaller robots were kids

Did you forget what they all were built for?
Merchandise to be sold, consumer goods

Could be the smaller “kid looking” robots were built to be sold as toys for Alien children of other world, Or even as workers To be sold to aliens of worlds in habited by very small people

Okay I’m so sorry that this reply is so late, I was busy. Let’s get to it.
Or have kids probably meant that they have kids, but in a non sexual way. If I did meant sexual, I wouldn’t have put “however they have them”.

2) I state that I don’t trust that website at all and how the guy didn’t post any sources.

3) I never said that those were robotic kids. I said maybe they could be kids . I did also mention that they could be short adults. And no I didn’t forget what they were made for. That is my POV. If I was sure about something, I wouldn’t said maybe or could be. It was an suggesting not a stated fact.


4) Have you thought about the small bots being sold to be kids to alien parents if they want robotic kids? Why not adopt? Well maybe they don’t want real kids. Why? Well maybe they aren’t ready for an real child or just not ready to have one again after losing theirs. Or maybe built to use them as guinea pigs, like what happen if you driven a child from playing. They can’t use real kids, so they made robotic kids. Last one is that they are made for small alien kids to play with, but not as a toy, but as a playmate. The robots are made like kids to attractive the kiddie aliens. I don’t fully believe that they are kids. But they could be. I’m leaning towards that. Also those alien kids have to be way bigger then the Cybertronians. And if you look closely, we can see two who are taller then the third one. Either they are older or just happen to be taller. After all being taller doesn’t always mean older. I’m still going with the former. Again I said maybe they are kids, but also mention that they could be just short adults. And there’s no evidence that states they aren’t kids either. Are they kids? Maybe. Now read that again. I said maybe because they could be short adults of different heights. But you assuming that they aren’t kids seem no different.

There’s no way of knowing and saying who is wrong/right unless one of us is able to contact the creator and they might not care to answer. Also there are some who don’t think that the “Word of God”≠ canon. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WordOfGod if you haven’t heard of tv trope WoG. And there’s this https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ ... fTheAuthor. There’s also this https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ShrugOfGod. So even if we could contact them, it could be “death of the author” as their interpretation is no more valid or invalid then ours or “shrug of god” as even they don’t know. And then there’s this https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ ... pFlopOfGod, they could change their minds.We can only guess if they are kids or not.

5) True. But I’m leaning towards Cybertronian for Wheelie or at least his ancestors came from Cybertron.ast time I check, in the g1 cartoon, we only see Cybertronians be Autobots and Decepticons. Like I said before, it was never state that Springer came from Cybertron, but yet I don’t see you doubting that.

Longlive Roddie wrote: Okay I’m so sorry that this reply is so late, I was busy.

Kool, but I’m going to shorten this a bit

4) Have you thought about the small bots being sold to be kids to alien parents if they want robotic kids?

Of course, like I said they were merchandise

Also those alien kids have to be way bigger then the Cybertronians.

Not necessarily, My daughter had a Barbie doll that was her exact size
I had a riding pony

Besides we seen at least one alien race that could hold Optimus in their hands

But you assuming that they aren’t kids

Read my words more carefully

I made no assumptions whatsoever

There’s no way of knowing and saying who is wrong/right unless one of us is able to contact the creator and they might not care to answer. Also there are some who don’t think that the “Word of God”≠ canon. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WordOfGod if you haven’t heard of tv trope WoG. And there’s this https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ ... fTheAuthor. There’s also this https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ShrugOfGod. So even if we could contact them, it could be “death of the author” as their interpretation is no more valid or invalid then ours or “shrug of god” as even they don’t know. And then there’s this https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ ... pFlopOfGod, they could change their minds.We can only guess if they are kids or not.

Unless we find some notes from the creators that we can authenticate being from the period that the episodes are being written I don’t take statements from 30 years after the fact as being worth much

5) True. But I’m leaning towards Cybertronian for Wheelie or at least his ancestors came from Cybertron.ast time I check, in the g1 cartoon, we only see Cybertronians be Autobots and Decepticons. Like I said before, it was never state that Springer came from Cybertron, but yet I don’t see you doubting that.

That’s not exactly correct, it’s not that clear cut

The Dinobots aren’t true Cybertronians bring creates on earth and they were considered autobots

Megatron considered making Nightbird a Decepticon

Theres no evidence the Junkions have any real link to Cybertron and they were called Autobots

Even the Technobots were created from parts inside Unicrons head

@sto_vo_kor_2000
I forgot to mention how there can be more the one creator and how they can disagree with each other.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Longlive Roddie wrote: Okay I’m so sorry that this reply is so late, I was busy.

Kool, but I’m going to shorten this a bit

4) Have you thought about the small bots being sold to be kids to alien parents if they want robotic kids?

Of course, like I said they were merchandise

Also those alien kids have to be way bigger then the Cybertronians.

Not necessarily, My daughter had a Barbie doll that was her exact size
I had a riding pony

Besides we seen at least one alien race that could hold Optimus in their hands

But you assuming that they aren’t kids

Read my words more carefully

I made no assumptions whatsoever

There’s no way of knowing and saying who is wrong/right unless one of us is able to contact the creator and they might not care to answer. Also there are some who don’t think that the “Word of God”≠ canon. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WordOfGod if you haven’t heard of tv trope WoG. And there’s this https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ ... fTheAuthor. There’s also this https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ShrugOfGod. So even if we could contact them, it could be “death of the author” as their interpretation is no more valid or invalid then ours or “shrug of god” as even they don’t know. And then there’s this https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ ... pFlopOfGod, they could change their minds.We can only guess if they are kids or not.

Unless we find some notes from the creators that we can authenticate being from the period that the episodes are being written I don’t take statements from 30 years after the fact as being worth much

5) True. But I’m leaning towards Cybertronian for Wheelie or at least his ancestors came from Cybertron.ast time I check, in the g1 cartoon, we only see Cybertronians be Autobots and Decepticons. Like I said before, it was never state that Springer came from Cybertron, but yet I don’t see you doubting that.

That’s not exactly correct, it’s not that clear cut

The Dinobots aren’t true Cybertronians bring creates on earth and they were considered autobots

Megatron considered making Nightbird a Decepticon

Theres no evidence the Junkions have any real link to Cybertron and they were called Autobots

Even the Technobots were created from parts inside Unicrons head

Actually the Jukion ancestors a tribe of Autobots. https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Junkion_(species)#References (read the source or references if gave)
And notices how all of those bots were built by Cybertronians. So even if Wheelie didn’t came from Cybertron, maybe his ancestors did or his parents. Also you did made an assumption on them not being kids (proof post below). Why should I read your words carefully? You assume that I thought they were kids even though I said maybe or they could be short adults. Also I said I’m leaning towards Wheelie being a Cybertronian (my opinion), as I’m not saying he is one or came from one, but I believe so. And yes any one can be a con or bot, but they first originate from Cybertron. Wheelie already have an autobot symbol on him. So he is a Cybertronian or related to one or at least that’s my opinion. State this as an opinion and only one. A headcanon. Night bird wasn’t built by the cons, but she was reprogram by them. Maybe that’s why she is consider as a decepticon. Maybe those built or reprogram/program by Cybertronians can be a bot or a con. Kranix wasn’t consider as a autobot. Yes most of the Lithones died, but we have seen a few alive and still non are consider Autobots or Decepticon. You can still disagree, but I’m done with you. Ignore list.
This is proof that you assume that they aren’t kids, You can say otherwise, but I will not see your comments to care.
“ You are making assumptions again.There is no evidence that those smaller robots were kids.” There is no evidence that they aren’t kids either. And even that wasn’t an assumption, all the other stuff I mentioned before are. You also assume that I believe that they mate even though I said no such thing. That’s why I said however they have them. As in built or born.

Oh yes I’m aware of those aliens who are bigger then Transformers.

Glad we agree the even the kiddie bots or just maybe they’re just short adults, leaning towards the former are sold to aliens. And the fact they are sentient, I can’t see them as toys for alien kids. Maybe a playmate. There is no evidence that they are kids, but there is no proof that they aren’t. We know that the young rescue recruits are children (Fun Droid point that out). We know that Wheelie and the Lithone kids are kids, but those mini bots we don’t know for sure.


And even if we find some authentic note from the creator or creators just remember the death of the author, shrug of god or flip-flop of god. And if the show has more then one, then they may not agree with each other. And not everyone thinks that the WoG=canon.

Hoist [RENEGADE] wrote:I don't take too much stock in the "Tf wiki" this is also the same place that also says "Wheelie's "parents" die, but there's no mention of what happened to their bodies.", note the quotations mark for parents.

Even the terms "Brothers" can be take into context into not necessarily literal content is physically related as it states if we go by your TF wiki which also states: "Given that Transformers are not organic life and likely do not reproduce sexually, the origin, distinction, and exact meaning of many of these terms is frequently unclear." (And yes I have seen the other long thread about gender/reproduction).

In the end you can believe what you want to believe, I just don't happen to agree.

Sorry for the late reply.

I guess he could be child like, but I think the creators intend was for us to see him as a kid. His g1 bio describes him being a wild boy. He is call a boy and a child by two Cybertronians. Now maybe child wasn’t meant literally, but there is no way of knowing unless we contact the creator. And the show can have creators who may not agree with each other and we end up with different answers. They may not care to answer or it could be Death of the Author, so if one wants to see Wheelie being child like instead of a child, well that’s on them. I see him as a kid and you see him as being childish and both are okay.

Ps. I’m aware adult men can be call boys, but usually the word boy are refer to male children and male teenagers.

Longlive Roddie wrote: Actually the Jukion ancestors a tribe of Autobots. https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Junkion_(species)#References (read the source or references if gave)

Just to let you know the link didn’t exactly work, remember we are talking about the G1 cartoon only, Matt outside source information.There is nothing within any episodes story of the G1 cartoon that solidly says the Junkiond have any Ancestral connection to Cybertron or the Autobots

There are only 2 suggestions that indicate a “possible” link between the Junkions and Cybertron

1)Season 3 episode 6 “The killing Jar” , a Quintesson Kidnaps Wreck-Gar to run an experiment on him believing he’s an Autobot, he did the same with altar Magnus snd Cyclonus. Wreck-Gar was the only one that did not react to the to the experiment according to programming as the Quintesson expected

Which suggest his programming may not be Autobot in origin

2)In One of the “files of telegram 1” segments from the end of certain episodes, the Narrator says the Junkions were a “tribe of autobots that dwell on the planet Junkion”, and that’s it. Nothing about how they originated there, nothing about being a colony of Cybertron origin

Like I said the narrator says it, The same narrator that says Unicron turned Megatron into Galvatron in the year 2000......not 2005, Sorry but nothing stated by the narrator can make a salad evidence or be trusted

Maybe they all joined the Autobots after the movie

Like I said before, Theres no evidence the Junkions have any real link to Cybertron

Also you did made an assumption on them not being kids (proof post below). Why should I read your words carefully?

Because you continue to fail to understand what I have exactly said, As this statement proved

I never made no assumptions
From my first reply I said there’s no solid evidence they are kids
And so far you haven’t provided anything that disproves that

And yes any one can be a con or bot, but they first originate from Cybertron.
Wheelie already have an autobot symbol on him.

Proving absolutely nothing,

Or did you forget the Constructicons having Decepticon symbols before being brainwashed by Megatron?

It was an Animators short trying to make sure children knew what team the toys belong to

Also, your “symbol” example is self defeating as the Junkions never displayed Autobot symbols....not even Wreck-Gar

A headcanon. Night bird wasn’t built by the cons, but she was reprogram by them. Maybe that’s why she is consider as a decepticon. Maybe those built or reprogram/program by Cybertronians can be a bot or a con.

That’s certainly reasonable

Kranix wasn’t consider as a autobot. Yes most of the Lithones died, but we have seen a few alive and still non are consider Autobots or Decepticon.

I’m not sure exactly why you brought this up here but OK

You can still disagree, but I’m done with you. Ignore list.
This is proof that you assume that they aren’t kids, You can say otherwise, but I will not see your comments to care.

If you choose to resort to childish behavior because you cannot have your assumptions questioned that’s your business, Perhaps you should re-examine your desire to post them publicly if you do not like the scrutiny

“ You are making assumptions again.There is no evidence that those smaller robots were kids.”

This is why you need to read more carefully
I never said they were not kids, I only said there was no evidence that they were

That’s just a fact, There’s no assumption there, no dialog says they are kids
Period

You also assume that I believe that they mate even though I said no such thing.

Perhaps English isn’t your first language but you most certainly said such a thing

This is from your very first post

3)They are a race of male and female too. Maybe Cybertronians were once like this too and also have kids.

You said that they were male and female
You said maybe they didn’t want to [b]have children

Male & female having children.......Citing the 2 in any single sentence is an indication of mating of some sort, That may not have been your intention but it is certainly how you worded it

I can’t see them as toys for alien kids. Maybe a playmate.

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I truly don’t see much of a difference

A playmate is not something you can buy, No matter how smart the robots are the people buying them obviously don’t see them as an equal lifeforms and if they are buying them to be a plaything for their children but I don’t see the difference between a playmate and a toy

@ sto_vo_kor_2000
Even though I can’t read what you posted, I still disagree with you. Anyway I’m done here. I still believe that Wheelie is a Cybertronian or related to one. This thread is done. This debate is getting us nowhere and tired of repeating myself.

Longlive Roddie wrote:@ sto_vo_kor_2000
Even though I can’t read what you posted, I still disagree with you. Anyway I’m done here. I still believe that Wheelie is a Cybertronian or related to one. This thread is done. This debate is getting us nowhere and tired of repeating myself.

Again, if that’s how you want to handle your perceptions being question that’s your right, but I find it a shame and a bit Immature

It was Somewhat fun while it lasted

@ sto_vo_kor_2000
I can’t see what you posted, but have a feeling that you are also agreeing with me about how this debate is getting us nowhere. Like I said this thread is done here.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Longlive Roddie wrote: Actually the Jukion ancestors a tribe of Autobots. https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Junkion_(species)#References (read the source or references if gave)

Just to let you know the link didn’t exactly work, remember we are talking about the G1 cartoon only, Matt outside source information.There is nothing within any episodes story of the G1 cartoon that solidly says the Junkiond have any Ancestral connection to Cybertron or the Autobots

There are only 2 suggestions that indicate a “possible” link between the Junkions and Cybertron

1)Season 3 episode 6 “The killing Jar” , a Quintesson Kidnaps Wreck-Gar to run an experiment on him believing he’s an Autobot, he did the same with altar Magnus snd Cyclonus. Wreck-Gar was the only one that did not react to the to the experiment according to programming as the Quintesson expected

Which suggest his programming may not be Autobot in origin

2)In One of the “files of telegram 1” segments from the end of certain episodes, the Narrator says the Junkions were a “tribe of autobots that dwell on the planet Junkion”, and that’s it. Nothing about how they originated there, nothing about being a colony of Cybertron origin

Like I said the narrator says it, The same narrator that says Unicron turned Megatron into Galvatron in the year 2000......not 2005, Sorry but nothing stated by the narrator can make a salad evidence or be trusted

Maybe they all joined the Autobots after the movie

Like I said before, Theres no evidence the Junkions have any real link to Cybertron

Also you did made an assumption on them not being kids (proof post below). Why should I read your words carefully?

Because you continue to fail to understand what I have exactly said, As this statement proved

I never made no assumptions
From my first reply I said there’s no solid evidence they are kids
And so far you haven’t provided anything that disproves that

And yes any one can be a con or bot, but they first originate from Cybertron.
Wheelie already have an autobot symbol on him.

Proving absolutely nothing,

Or did you forget the Constructicons having Decepticon symbols before being brainwashed by Megatron?

It was an Animators short trying to make sure children knew what team the toys belong to

Also, your “symbol” example is self defeating as the Junkions never displayed Autobot symbols....not even Wreck-Gar

A headcanon. Night bird wasn’t built by the cons, but she was reprogram by them. Maybe that’s why she is consider as a decepticon. Maybe those built or reprogram/program by Cybertronians can be a bot or a con.

That’s certainly reasonable

Kranix wasn’t consider as a autobot. Yes most of the Lithones died, but we have seen a few alive and still non are consider Autobots or Decepticon.

I’m not sure exactly why you brought this up here but OK

You can still disagree, but I’m done with you. Ignore list.
This is proof that you assume that they aren’t kids, You can say otherwise, but I will not see your comments to care.

If you choose to resort to childish behavior because you cannot have your assumptions questioned that’s your business, Perhaps you should re-examine your desire to post them publicly if you do not like the scrutiny

“ You are making assumptions again.There is no evidence that those smaller robots were kids.”

This is why you need to read more carefully
I never said they were not kids, I only said there was no evidence that they were

That’s just a fact, There’s no assumption there, no dialog says they are kids
Period

You also assume that I believe that they mate even though I said no such thing.

Perhaps English isn’t your first language but you most certainly said such a thing

This is from your very first post

3)They are a race of male and female too. Maybe Cybertronians were once like this too and also have kids.

You said that they were male and female
You said maybe they didn’t want to [b]have children

Male & female having children.......Citing the 2 in any single sentence is an indication of mating of some sort, That may not have been your intention but it is certainly how you worded it

I can’t see them as toys for alien kids. Maybe a playmate.

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I truly don’t see much of a difference

A playmate is not something you can buy, No matter how smart the robots are the people buying them obviously don’t see them as an equal lifeforms and if they are buying them to be a plaything for their children but I don’t see the difference between a playmate and a toy[/quote]
I went to another search engine to see if you, like how you agree this debate is going on, but boy I was wrong and regret doing that. I thought I was going to read something that didn’t made me facepalm or made me want to write back.

Those are nice theories, but there’s also no evidence saying that they aren’t Cybertronians.

You haven’t proof that they aren’t kids either. And I never said that they are kids. I said that they maybe kids or that they could be short adults.

And your have no proof either that autobots and deceptions not originating from Cybertron, or that Wheelie isn’t one or descend from one. Also if you brother watching the cartoon you’ll know that the bots and cons first came from Cybertron. Also I said that those who were built by cons or bots and/or program by them are probably considered as autobots or cons. And yes anyone can become a decepticon or an Autobot, but they first came from Cybertron.



Okay the first one is for that second reply and the second is for you first (the one part of this)
Are freaking kidding me? Are you freaking kidding me?! So getting tired of debating with the same person is childish? You getting upset and caring that I ignore you and was done with you is the one that is immature. If you didn’t care you wouldn’t have add that. I won’t see your comment to care because I’m getting tired of debate with you. You are going back on my ignore list and it’s staying that way. I’m sick and tired of saying the same thing with you. There is nothing wrong wanting to leave a debate. If you can’t deal why I put you on the ignore list then maybe it is you should re-examine your desire to post them publicly if you do not like the scrutiny. It is not scrutiny, but me tired of saying I never said that and having to correct you so many times. For some reason you saw that as childish. Give me a break. There is nothing childish about that. Sorry if that seem like I don’t want to listen to you, but not the reason why you are on my foe list. I get irritated when I have to say I never said that and have to correct people over and over again. So excuse my “childish behavior” of wanting to get beak from this. I guess that’s immature to you. The fact that you think that it was immature of me wanting to leave the debate shows how pathetic (and immature) you are in wanting to continue the debate. Maybe that wasn’t what you meant, but it seem like so. Guilt tripping people into not wanting to continue a debate seem to be childish, not wanting to opt out. I’m done with you and this thread. I’m tired of correcting you on I never said that. “Childish? Why should I listen to someone like you on what’s childish and what’s not, not what after you said the whole wanting to leave a debate is childish. Maybe not, but that’s close enough. I see that this debate is getting us nowhere and somehow that is immature to you (*headdesk*). I don’t care who gets the last words of the debate, because you only win if you convince the other person that you are right on everything. You haven’t convince me that you was right. I still disagree with you.

You are on my ignore list because I’m tired of saying I never said that. That is why you are on the foe list. Sorry if that came off immature, but that’s why I’m ignoring you. Because I’m tired of ‘this debate (that is some how immature to you *rolleyes*) and tired of saying I never said that. If you think that all of that is childish, then maybe it is you who needs to rethink your life. Also there is pm people. Dear primus If someone said that I’m on their ignore list, I don’t care to respond to that. And there was no “childish behavior” before I wrote that comment. It just me tired of saying I never said that and saying the same thing to you. If you see that immature, so be it.

Again you are assuming that I said that they mate. I never said that. This is why you are my ignore list. I said that they have kids, which means either they build them or have sex. And no it is you read that way. It is not me wording that way, but you reading that way.

Well a playmate can also be a person unlike a toy. Yes I know that the aliens won’t see them as alive, but I can’t see them as toys.

Longlive Roddie wrote:I went to another search engine to see if you, like how you agree this debate is going on, but boy I was wrong and regret doing that. I thought I was going to read something that didn’t made me facepalm or made me want to write back.

Not that you were gone long but welcome back

Those are nice theories, but there’s also no evidence saying that they aren’t Cybertronians.

You haven’t proof that they aren’t kids either.

I am not presenting theroies, and I have nothing to prove

I never claimed that they were not children, I only said there was no hard evidence that they ARE children

And your have no proof either that autobots and deceptions not originating from Cybertron

Sorry I think you made a mistake with that statement

Again, I have nothing to prove since I made no claim

You said that all autobots snd deceoticobs originated from Cybertron, and that isint exactly true because we know for a fact that the Dinobots were created on earth and the technobots were created inside Unicron

or that Wheelie isn’t one or descend from one.

Again, I don’t have to prove anything

The point I’m making is that it’s possible Wheelie May have originated from somewhere else

Also if you brother watching the cartoon you’ll know that the bots and cons first came from Cybertron.

Almost funny As it seems I know tge show better then you do

Are freaking kidding me? Are you freaking kidding me.

No I’m not
You have taken this thing personally for some reason, and you continue to.
When you openly put out your ideas and concepts on fan sites like this you have to be mature enough to accept the criticism and counter arguments of others

You getting upset and caring that I ignore you and was done with you is the one that is immature. If you didn’t care you wouldn’t have add that

Sorry
I felt it was a shame you resorted to such a juvenile move, but I realky don’t care, it’s just a shame because this topic had potential

I won’t see your comment to care because I’m getting tired of debate with you. You are going back on my ignore list and it’s staying that way. I’m sick and tired of saying the same thing with you.

Why would you expect me to change when you haven’t presented any compelling argument against the facts?

You are on my ignore list because I’m tired of saying I never said that.

Well again, maybe English isint exactly your first language, or many you just chose your words poorly, I do that my self sometimes

But you did say “those things” , maybe you didn’t intended it but that’s how it came off

Again, you pointed out they were a race of male and female
Again you pointed out they can have children

That read off as mating, it’s not really an assumption, it’s just the “natural” reading of these words when you put them together is a statement , Regardless of your intent that’s how it reads

Well a playmate can also be a person unlike a toy. Yes I know that the aliens won’t see them as alive, but I can’t see them as toys.

It’s cool we have a different opinion there, My point is that the aliens would see them as toys

I have a headcanon on how the Lithone have kids. I can’t see them mating and giving birth, so here’s how it goes. Mommy and daddy Lithone type on the computer on what their kid looks and the computer types that prints the kid out. There where the bots in Battries not Include, but that’s not Transformers.


I’m glad Tramp isn’t here because I can’t see them pregnant and giving birth. I’ve read his posts on this and other sites and he’s really think that he is correct. There is nothing wrong in believing in robo sex, but there is something wrong in saying that Transformers (or Lithones) do have sex even though there is no proof. Like what the person that I was debating with said. They could’ve built their kids. Or what I would say built or burn take your pick.

@ sto_vo_kor_2000
Not for sure if you already comment, but how else I was suppose to word it with the Lithones kids. Was I suppose to say they have kids, but without the have? I also said that however they have them, which means that they can either have kids by building them or having sex. If I want to say that they have sex, I would not include “however they have them.” tHowever you kept ignoring that part and I have to keep correcting over and over again which was getting on my nerves. It’s no wonder you are on my ignore list. They can have kids could also mean that maybe the have the tech to build kids.

Longlive Roddie wrote:I have a headcanon on how the Lithone have kids. I can’t see them mating and giving birth, so here’s how it goes. Mommy and daddy Lithone type on the computer on what their kid looks and the computer types that prints the kid out. There where the bots in Battries not Include, but that’s not Transformers

That’s an interesting idea.

I’m glad Tramp isn’t here because I can’t see them pregnant and giving birth. I’ve read his posts on this and other sites and he’s really think that he is correct. There is nothing wrong in believing in robo sex, but there is something wrong in saying that Transformers (or Lithones) do have sex even though there is no proof. Like what the person that I was debating with said. They could’ve built their kids. Or what I would say built or burn take your pick.

That’s a name I haven’t heard in a while

@ sto_vo_kor_2000
Not for sure if you already comment, but how else I was suppose to word it with the Lithones kids. Was I suppose to say they have kids, but without the have?

There are many ways it could’ve been said

Perhaps also separating it into different paragraphs would’ve helped

Either way I see no reason to rehash it since we now have a better understanding of what was meant

tHowever you kept ignoring that part and I have to keep correcting over and over again which was getting on my nerves. It’s no wonder you are on my ignore list.

And this is why I continue to tell you that not only are you acting childish but you should read what it said more closely

You Continue to act childish by stating that you put me on your ignore list as if it’s some great insult, it’s not
And if you put me on your ignore list how is it that you were able to reply to exactly what I said?
That’s just another childish tactic

I need to read more carefully because I ignored nothing
From the first reply I made I addressed the other ways that these “children” looking robots can exist

Here was my very first post on the topic Posted August 27, 2019

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:You’re actually making a few assumptions

1)We all know they have children, however we do NOT they can “have children”
For all we know they build their children

2)It is also possible that they build them new bodies for different stages/ages as they mature ....there’s an example of that in a star trek episode with androids

3)We know are a race of male and females, The cartoon never covered if Wheelie is a Cybertronian , but it is the case in other continuities

Whats the question with the rest?

Again as you can see I ignored nothing and adress both your points

It just seems you’re not mature enough to have your theories and ideas questions or critiqued

You truly are taking this way too personally putting me on ignore this and still finding a way to continue to return to make comments which proves you actually read what I said

Grow up, Or don’t bother posting this type of thing if you can’t accept other people commenting on your idea

I forgot to add in on how they grow. My headcanon on how they grow is by nanotechnology. Yes they can be built into bigger bodies, but I think it’s much easier to have them grow naturally, so in my headcanon they grow naturally.

@ sto_vo_kor_2000
Again not for sure if you already posted, but haven’t you ever thought about the fact that “they can have kids” could probably meant that they have the tech to build kids. Maybe not all robotic race can have kids because they don’t have the technology to do so. And I forgot to mention that you was making assumptions. Like how you assume that I believe that they are kids even though I said maybe or they could be adults. You said that there is no proof that they are kids, even though I never said that they are. I said maybe or they could be short adults. You may not have assume that they aren’t kids, but you was making assumptions on other things (ie you assume that I think that the minibots are kids). Sorry if you don’t like being ignored, but I don’t like to keep correcting the same people and having to keep saying I never said that.

I forgot to add in that in one continuity they came from Cybertron, but that has nothing to do with the original g1. I have read that Tramp said that they came from Cybertron, but nowhere I can find that they did and the one that said so has nothing to do with the original g1 comic or cartoon.