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Reason why Furman got the Primus/ Unicron thing wrong in the Ultimate Guide.

PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 8:32 pm
by Damolisher
He got confused. He SAID Primus and Unicron were immortal, and existed in all dimensions, et al, even though we've seen them destroyed before, and there are many different Unicrons and Primuses who OBVIOUSLY aren't the same.

He didn't actually MEAN Primus and Unicron. What he meant was "Chuck Norris and Mr T." That's my excuse, I'm sticking to it. :P

PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 9:30 pm
by Sledge
My theory explains that, and every other mistake in the Furman-verse. Interested? Ok, here it is: Furman has always been really over-rated.

PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 10:10 pm
by sto_vo_kor_2000
Personaly I thjought it was a good idea.......but it should have been inclued to his first run on Marvels Transformers. To aply this idea about them being imortal retroactivly is truly a stupid move.

PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 3:16 am
by Savage
It was applied in his US Marvel works. Or, at least, their presence in multiple realities was mentioned. In the US G1 Marvel series, Unicron reaches out into other universes to retrieve minions who served him well. Galvatron, Hook, Line, and Sinker, for example. As for immortality, well, I always figured immortality was obvious, once they were deemed gods.

PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 3:23 am
by sto_vo_kor_2000
Savage wrote:It was applied in his US Marvel works. Or, at least, their presence in multiple realities was mentioned. In the US G1 Marvel series, Unicron reaches out into other universes to retrieve minions who served him well. Galvatron, Hook, Line, and Sinker, for example. As for immortality, well, I always figured immortality was obvious, once they were deemed gods.


Their presence in multiple realities ,YES.But in that same book Unicron says to Galvatro that he is not the SAME Unicron that Galvatron served.It was a Unicron that he may or may not become.Witch means to me that even if their in every universe they are not the same charcaters.They are each universe version of that character just like G1 prime is different from Armada prime.So Furmen re-writes him self with the guides theroy.

PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 4:24 am
by Deadpool.
I'll rather stick to the parallel universe theory.

Re: Reason why Furman got the Primus/ Unicron thing wrong in the Ultimate Guide.

PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 7:01 am
by Deadpool.
Damolisher wrote:He got confused. He SAID Primus and Unicron were immortal, and existed in all dimensions, et al, even though we've seen them destroyed before, and there are many different Unicrons and Primuses who OBVIOUSLY aren't the same.

He didn't actually MEAN Primus and Unicron. What he meant was "Chuck Norris and Mr T." That's my excuse, I'm sticking to it. :P
I think it could have just been a blunder. Maybe. :-?

Re: Reason why Furman got the Primus/ Unicron thing wrong in the Ultimate Guide.

PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 8:29 am
by Cyber Bishop
Tramp. wrote:I think it could have just been a blunder. Maybe. :-?


I don't know what your user name was before but you just earned yourself a warning for breaking the rules (I know you are not the real Tramp.. I can check user info as well.).

The bolded part below is the rule that you broke.

9. Do not create improper usernames.
Vulgar usernames, or usernames that are intentionally copying an existing user for the purpose of trying to trick people into thinking you are that poster will not be tolerated. Any name that is deemed improper will be modified by the Seibertron.com staff as they see fit. If you re-register with the same name after it has been deemed inappropriate, it will be banned outright. If you think the name you are signing up with is kind of iffy, then don't use it.


http://www.seibertron.com/forums/viewto ... =9614&sid=

I strongly suggest that you change it back or I will outright ban you. Both your IP and username.

PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 11:06 am
by Dead Metal
What happened to the real Tramp?

Re: Reason why Furman got the Primus/ Unicron thing wrong in the Ultimate Guide.

PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 1:49 pm
by craggy
Cyber Bishop wrote:I know you are not the real Tramp.


thank Primus. I thought he was back. Someone's been a very bad robot.

Anyway, as far as the Ultimate Guide (praise all who follow it, for it is teh awesome) as I've said before, it's been made obsolete for the most part, as the current official and definitive universes are the movie one and the IDW one, neither of which were more than a glimmer in their creator's eyes when that book was printed. Besides, even when it was first released there wasn't much in it I didn't already know, and I missed out on a fair bit of stuff throughout the years. It's really only good for the pretty pictures nowadays. As far as both the current continuities are concerned, we've yet to see any real exploration of the concepts of Primus and Unicron. Course, it looks like that might be changing in the Beast Wars series, at least.

PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 5:05 pm
by Damolisher
Damn, I almost had a freakin' heart attack.

PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 5:31 pm
by sto_vo_kor_2000
Damolisher wrote:Damn, I almost had a freakin' heart attack.


I thought all he got was a 5 day.........was it a life time band???

PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 5:45 pm
by Damolisher
Nah, he's gone for good, I believe. (I hope.)

PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 6:48 pm
by i_amtrunks
Personally I love the Ultimate guide, but only for the episode reviews and (mistransformed) toys section from each series. all the "history" crap in the front half of the book, whil interesting, is obsolete and mainly ties into a comic series which is now defunct, and never had the size nor scope of the Marvel US and UK runs (or the IDW stuff).

PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 7:55 pm
by Malicron
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Damolisher wrote:Damn, I almost had a freakin' heart attack.


I thought all he got was a 5 day.........was it a life time band???


Since his profile is gone, I'm guuessing he's gone too.
Anyway, anyone could tell that wasn't the real Tramp; he actually agreed with Damolisher. :P

PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 9:22 pm
by Damolisher
Yeah, plus his posts were only two lines with no random bolding :P

PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 11:21 pm
by sto_vo_kor_2000
why anyone would chose to inpersenate Tramp is beyond me :-?

PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 12:19 am
by Damolisher
Cause more baldness in angry males from New Zealand?

PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 12:32 am
by i_amtrunks
Damolisher wrote:Cause more baldness in angry males from New Zealand?


I'm actually surprised you are even able to type today, isn't the entire nation in mourning?

PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 12:53 am
by Damolisher
Yeah, most of the bogans are having heartattacks and are blaming the ref for our team's inability to not suck. I'm not pissed, because they did what I said they were going to do.

PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 12:59 am
by i_amtrunks
Damolisher wrote:Yeah, most of the bogans are having heartattacks and are blaming the ref for our team's inability to not suck. I'm not pissed, because they did what I said they were going to do.


Don't worry, the Aussies did better than I thought they would do. The proper football is on Sunday anyways!

PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 7:35 am
by City Commander
Damolisher wrote:Damn, I almost had a freakin' heart attack.




:lol:


What a post!

PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 8:38 am
by Malicron
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:why anyone would chose to inpersenate Tramp is beyond me :-?


A very painful method of suicide?
Low self-esteam?
A hatred of all things logical?
Who can tell. :-?

PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:02 am
by Uniprimus
Tramp is banned(thank Primus!); Cyber Bishop told me so in a complaint PM.

And BTW, I follow my own theory of them each existing in each universe as different/same beings.

PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 7:47 am
by Sloptank
Maybe this Tramp character you speak of exists simultaneously in all continuities. This mistaken user was merely his herald.