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Transformers Justice League vs Legion of Doom

PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 6:34 am
by Saber Prime
Here's the basic idea. Pick a series (I'm going with Beast Wars/Machines sence that's what I'm most familar with) doesn't matter if someone else is doing the same series.

Rather than picking a various incarnation of the Justice League and finding characters to fit that incarnation you're going by the Transformers series and pulling out DC characters to match the Transformer allready in your series.

I don't know if anything I just said makes any sence, I'm not even all that sure what I just said.

Anyway...

Maximals

Airazor = Hawkgirl

Cheetor = The Flash

Depth Charge = Aquaman

Optimus Primal = Superman

Rattrap = Green Arrow

Tigatron = Green Lanturn (John Stewart Version)

Tigerhawk = Warhawk

Botanica = Black Orchid

Nightscream = Batman

Predacons/Vehicons

Inferno = ???

Megatron = This is a hard one. My first thought is to make him Lex Luthor. Then when you consider his odd fixation with his beast head I wanna say Arnold Wesker/The Vantriliquist and Scareface. But considering his finnal form in Beast Machines I really like him to be Bizzaro.

Quickstrike = Allso has a head for a hand so I'll make him The Vantrilliquist and Scareface even though his snake head isn't quite as life like as Megatron's T-rex/Dragon head.

Rampage = Black Manta

Ravage = Reverse Flash (due to his looking like Cheetor)

Scorponok = Metallo

Tarantulas = Brainiac

Terrorsaur = The Joker

Waspinator/Thrust = Mr. Mxyzptlk

Obsidian = Firefly

Strika = Volcana

Maximals/Predacons/Vehicons... at one time or another...

Dinobot = Soloman Grundy unless I can think of someone better

Rhinox/Tankor = Robin/The Joker II (Tim Drake version)

Silverbolt/Jetstorm = Green Lanturn/Parallax/Specter (Hal Jordan version)

Blackarachnia = I'd like to say Catwoman but then Silverbolt would have to be Batman.

Savage/Noble = Two-Face

Re: Transformers Justice League vs Legion of Doom

PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 8:00 am
by An_de
Great finding! Now I notice that!

PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 8:35 am
by Jaw Crusher
I did this a while back as part of an art project I was never able to finish, and came up with character matches for some of the more recent TF series. For the Justice League roster I thought up Pretender-shell versions of their secret identities.

JUSTICE LEAGUE/CLASSICS (Note: I stayed with the Deluxes on this one to keep the sizes somewhat consistent)

Bumblebee = Superman (a compact driven by Clark Kent)
Rodimus = Batman (Batmobile)
Ramjet - Wonder Woman (Invisible Jet)
Starscream = Green Lantern (maybe Hal Jordan's Air Force jet)
Astrotrain = Martian Manhunter (since Jonn's a shapeshifter, I thought this'd fit)
Mirage = The Flash
Grimlock = Aquaman (some kind of amphibious sea-creature)

There were a couple others I did for the Legion of Doom/Armada, the Brotherhood of Evil/Beast Machines, etc. I still have the list somewhere, buried...I do remember that I was going to use A-Megatron as Metallo with Luthor as his Mini-Con/binary-bond partner, same with A-Starscream as the Joker and his Mini-Con/binary-bond partner being the Red Hood. Can't remember who else was going to be which TF or who their Mini-Cons were going to be, though. Also, for the Brotherhood of Evil I was going to use Primal as Monsieur Mallah and Megabolt Megatron (from RID, but it's a Beast Machines version of the character) as The Brain.

PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:53 am
by Wheeljack35
What about Megatron-Lex Luthor?

PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 12:33 pm
by Armgnawer
For some reason, I just can't get the concept of Tarantulus asking for a decent pair of pants out of my noggin'.

Re: Transformers Justice League vs Legion of Doom

PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:49 pm
by sto_vo_kor_2000
Saber Prime wrote:Dinobot = Need a villain gone hero then killed, resurected evil, gone good again and killed again. Can you think of anyone?


Depending on what continuity your following from the DC universe Solomom Grundy kind of fits that roll.

PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 12:23 am
by Night Raid
Armgnawer wrote:For some reason, I just can't get the concept of Tarantulus asking for a decent pair of pants out of my noggin'.


ROTFLMFAO!!! So you saw that too?

PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 2:26 am
by Saber Prime
Armgnawer wrote:For some reason, I just can't get the concept of Tarantulus asking for a decent pair of pants out of my noggin'.
The really funny thing about that is I know exactly what you're talking about. I had that verry same thing on my mind when I was wrighting that first post.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Saber Prime wrote:Dinobot = Need a villain gone hero then killed, resurected evil, gone good again and killed again. Can you think of anyone?


Depending on what continuity your following from the DC universe Solomom Grundy kind of fits that roll.
I don't know much about that character other than a few appearances I vaguely remember from the original Super Friends cartoons.

I'm allso not thinking of any characters from any particular continuam. Just anyone I think would be the best fit.

I just edited my first post and put different characters in that I thought might fit.

Tigatron is now John Stewart/Green Lanturn and Tigerhawk is Warhawk. (I did this because Warhawk on the current Justice League cartoons was revieled to be the son of John and Hawkgirl and Tigerhawk could in a really weird way be considered the son of Tigatron and Airazor.)

I allso made a point to mention Rhinox was the Tim Drake Robin not Dick Greyson and Silverbolt is the Hal Jordan Green Lanturn.

If you don't know, I looked this up on DC comics web site and Wiki. Hal Jordan started as the Hero Green Lanturn (BW Silverbolt) then later became the villain known as Paralax (BM Jetstorm) then died and is now the second Specter (BM Silverbolt). That's why he fits so perfectly into that role. I'm betting everyone here knows Hal Jordan was the original Green Lanturn but I don't think anyone really followed the character passed his becomeing a villain.

PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 2:55 am
by sto_vo_kor_2000
Saber Prime wrote:If you don't know, I looked this up on DC comics web site and Wiki. Hal Jordan started as the Hero Green Lanturn (BW Silverbolt) then later became the villain known as Paralax (BM Jetstorm) then died and is now the second Specter (BM Silverbolt). That's why he fits so perfectly into that role..


Your information is out of date........Hal Jordan hasnt been the Specter for about 2 years now.....he a Green Lantern again.

Saber Prime wrote:I'm betting everyone here knows Hal Jordan was the original Green Lanturn but I don't think anyone really followed the character passed his becomeing a villain.


This time your information is wrong.Hal Jordan was not the original Green Lantern.........Alan Scott was.He is what is called the "Goldenage Green Lantern"

Hal Jordan was the 2nd Green Lantern also called the "Silverage Green Lantern"

If your getting your info from DC's website then someone must tell them to update their site.

PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 3:17 am
by sto_vo_kor_2000
And a small side note......Hal Jordan wouldnt make a good blance with BW Silverbolt in my opinion.

The words I would use to describe Silverbolt would be honest and honerable.

Words used to discribe Hal Jordan over the years would include.....

Raciest........... showen in comics from the 70's altho he has growen out of it since then

Drunk Driver...... he had a DWI conviction

Pediphile......... He had a relation ship with a underage alien girl that was also a Grean Lantern.

To me it just doesnt sound like BW Silverbolt.

PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 3:20 am
by Saber Prime
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Saber Prime wrote:If you don't know, I looked this up on DC comics web site and Wiki. Hal Jordan started as the Hero Green Lanturn (BW Silverbolt) then later became the villain known as Paralax (BM Jetstorm) then died and is now the second Specter (BM Silverbolt). That's why he fits so perfectly into that role..


Your information is out of date........Hal Jordan hasnt been the Specter for about 2 years now.....he a Green Lantern again.
He's appeared recently as Green Lanturn in both Justice League (Guess appearance briefly in place of John) and TheBatman but as far as I can tell his comic book incarnation is still Specter. I've found nothing to say he ever went back to being Green Lanturn after he was the Specter.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Saber Prime wrote:I'm betting everyone here knows Hal Jordan was the original Green Lanturn but I don't think anyone really followed the character passed his becomeing a villain.


This time your information is wrong.Hal Jordan was not the original Green Lantern.........Alan Scott was.He is what is called the "Goldenage Green Lantern"

Hal Jordan was the 2nd Green Lantern also called the "Silverage Green Lantern"

If your getting your info from DC's website then someone must tell them to update their site.


Unfortunatly they update their site far too often. I prefered their set up from like 6 years ago. Ever sence then it's just been getting worse and worse to look at.

About a year ago I think it was they had a list in order of every Green Lanturn and their different weaknesses. Hal seemed to be the only one who had the weakness to yellow. One of them was weak ageanst wood. I think that's kinda funny about them. Green Lanturns have so much power to do preddy much anything but they have the stupidest weaknesses to common things like the color yellow and wood. :lol:

I belive one Green Lanturn listed was allso so powerfull that he never even needed to recharge his ring.

I might still be able to find it on Wiki. DC no longer has all Green Lanturns listed. (This was all the Human Green Lanturns BTW not a complete list from every sector of the galaxy.)

PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 3:25 am
by Saber Prime
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:And a small side note......Hal Jordan wouldnt make a good blance with BW Silverbolt in my opinion.

The words I would use to describe Silverbolt would be honest and honerable.

Words used to discribe Hal Jordan over the years would include.....

Raciest........... showen in comics from the 70's altho he has growen out of it since then

Drunk Driver...... he had a DWI conviction

Pediphile......... He had a relation ship with a underage alien girl that was also a Grean Lantern.

To me it just doesnt sound like BW Silverbolt.


That to me doesn't even sound like Hal Jordan. It's allso contridicting. How can a Green Lanturn be racist? Every single other Green Lanturn is of a different race. He allso could not have been given the Green Lanturn's ring if he had any of thoughs traits.

Hell I even had trouble beliving he was Paralax because it completly ageanst everything the Green Lanturns stand for.

Ugh, can't think straight tonight. I only had one drink. :P

PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 3:36 am
by sto_vo_kor_2000
Saber Prime wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Saber Prime wrote:If you don't know, I looked this up on DC comics web site and Wiki. Hal Jordan started as the Hero Green Lanturn (BW Silverbolt) then later became the villain known as Paralax (BM Jetstorm) then died and is now the second Specter (BM Silverbolt). That's why he fits so perfectly into that role..


Your information is out of date........Hal Jordan hasnt been the Specter for about 2 years now.....he a Green Lantern again.
He's appeared recently as Green Lanturn in both Justice League (Guess appearance briefly in place of John) and TheBatman but as far as I can tell his comic book incarnation is still Specter. I've found nothing to say he ever went back to being Green Lanturn after he was the Specter.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Saber Prime wrote:I'm betting everyone here knows Hal Jordan was the original Green Lanturn but I don't think anyone really followed the character passed his becomeing a villain.


This time your information is wrong.Hal Jordan was not the original Green Lantern.........Alan Scott was.He is what is called the "Goldenage Green Lantern"

Hal Jordan was the 2nd Green Lantern also called the "Silverage Green Lantern"

If your getting your info from DC's website then someone must tell them to update their site.


Unfortunatly they update their site far too often. I prefered their set up from like 6 years ago. Ever sence then it's just been getting worse and worse to look at.

About a year ago I think it was they had a list in order of every Green Lanturn and their different weaknesses. Hal seemed to be the only one who had the weakness to yellow. One of them was weak ageanst wood. I think that's kinda funny about them. Green Lanturns have so much power to do preddy much anything but they have the stupidest weaknesses to common things like the color yellow and wood. :lol:

I belive one Green Lanturn listed was allso so powerfull that he never even needed to recharge his ring.

I might still be able to find it on Wiki. DC no longer has all Green Lanturns listed. (This was all the Human Green Lanturns BTW not a complete list from every sector of the galaxy.)


Dude look up a comic book called Green Lantern Rebirth on Google or Wiki.......it came out the end of 2004 and tells the story of Hal's return to the GL corp.

The weekness to yellow has been explained as a impurity to the color of fear while Green is the color of wilpower.And a GL's strenght is derived from wilpower.

The GL with a weekness to wood was the original GL Alan Scott.I could explain it to you if you want.

The cartoons your talking about are kind of old too.You must be watching reruns.

PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 3:46 am
by sto_vo_kor_2000
Saber Prime wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:And a small side note......Hal Jordan wouldnt make a good blance with BW Silverbolt in my opinion.

The words I would use to describe Silverbolt would be honest and honerable.

Words used to discribe Hal Jordan over the years would include.....

Raciest........... showen in comics from the 70's altho he has growen out of it since then

Drunk Driver...... he had a DWI conviction

Pediphile......... He had a relation ship with a underage alien girl that was also a Grean Lantern.

To me it just doesnt sound like BW Silverbolt.


That to me doesn't even sound like Hal Jordan. It's allso contridicting. How can a Green Lanturn be racist? Every single other Green Lanturn is of a different race. He allso could not have been given the Green Lanturn's ring if he had any of thoughs traits.

Hell I even had trouble beliving he was Paralax because it completly ageanst everything the Green Lanturns stand for.

Ugh, can't think straight tonight. I only had one drink. :P


Wether you have good thoughts or not has nothing to do with being a GL.The only prerecquist is that your wilpower is strong and that you can overcome great fear.

Maybe "Racist" was to stronge a word.

Now I'm not saying he was the kind of racist that would join the KKK but he was showen to be a bit of a bigot.Choseing a whites sides in a fight between a landloard and a renter with out first finding out what was going on, voiceing protest when the Guardians chose to give a ring to John Steward for no reason [and the Guardian said he was being predijust] [spelling?], being upset when John dated a white woman, there are a lot of exsamples I could post but I would be here all night.

PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 4:28 am
by Saber Prime
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Saber Prime wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:And a small side note......Hal Jordan wouldnt make a good blance with BW Silverbolt in my opinion.

The words I would use to describe Silverbolt would be honest and honerable.

Words used to discribe Hal Jordan over the years would include.....

Raciest........... showen in comics from the 70's altho he has growen out of it since then

Drunk Driver...... he had a DWI conviction

Pediphile......... He had a relation ship with a underage alien girl that was also a Grean Lantern.

To me it just doesnt sound like BW Silverbolt.


That to me doesn't even sound like Hal Jordan. It's allso contridicting. How can a Green Lanturn be racist? Every single other Green Lanturn is of a different race. He allso could not have been given the Green Lanturn's ring if he had any of thoughs traits.

Hell I even had trouble beliving he was Paralax because it completly ageanst everything the Green Lanturns stand for.

Ugh, can't think straight tonight. I only had one drink. :P


Wether you have good thoughts or not has nothing to do with being a GL.The only prerecquist is that your wilpower is strong and that you can overcome great fear.

Maybe "Racist" was to stronge a word.

Now I'm not saying he was the kind of racist that would join the KKK but he was showen to be a bit of a bigot.Choseing a whites sides in a fight between a landloard and a renter with out first finding out what was going on, voiceing protest when the Guardians chose to give a ring to John Steward for no reason [and the Guardian said he was being predijust] [spelling?], being upset when John dated a white woman, there are a lot of exsamples I could post but I would be here all night.


Huh? How could John and Hal even know eachother? Kyle Rayner was the Green Lanturn before John and after Hal. Pluse each sector only has one Green Lanturn at a time. Hal would have been long gone by the time John came in. And that still doesn't even make sence even if Hal and John did know eachother. The Guardians and even Abin Sir who Hal saved are of different races. Abin Sir allmost looks human except for skin color. How or why would Hal save his life if he was a racist.

There could be any number of reasons for Hal not wanting John to be a Green Lanturn or date a woman that have nothing to do with his being black. Mabe Hal was in love with that woman. I wouldn't want some guy dateing a woman I was in love with, I don't care what color they are.

PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 4:42 am
by Saber Prime
I had forgotten about Alen Scott so I descided to look him up. Hal Jordan could still be considered the first Green Lanturn though for two reasons.

1. Alen Scott's costume seems to be mostly red. Who's idea was it to name a character GREEN lantern and give him a RED costume?

2. Alen's bio seems to have no real conection to the Green Lantern Corps.

Green Lantern (sometimes called the Green Lantern in the early days) was created by Martin Nodell (using the name Mart Dellon) and Bill Finger. He first appeared in the Golden Age of comic books in All-American Comics #16 (July 1940), published by All-American Publications, one of three companies that would eventually merge to form DC Comics. The collector market for original copies of this issue is strong, with a sale in October 2007 selling on an online vintage comic trading site, ComicConnect.com, for $29,250.[1] This Green Lantern was Alan Scott, an engineer who had come into possession of a magic lantern. From this, he crafted a magic ring which gave him a wide variety of powers. The limitations of the ring were that it had to be "charged" every 24 hours by touching it to the lantern for a time, and that it did not work on wood.

Nodell had originally planned to give Green Lantern the alter ego "Alan Ladd," this being a linguistic twist on Aladdin, who had a magic lamp and magic ring of his own. DC considered the wordplay distracting and foolish, and the character's name was changed before publication to "Alan Scott." In May 1942, the film This Gun for Hire suddenly made the journeyman actor of the same name a movie star. Nodell would always joke that they'd missed a great opportunity.[2]


He did carrey the name first but he never seemed to actully be a member of the Green Lantern Corps. Hal was the first human to actully join them.

-=edit=-

Wait just read further down on the page. His story was rewrighten to link him with the Green Lantern Corps and the Guardians but that was only after Hal Jordan had allready been introduced.

Hal is still the first Human to join the Green Lantern Corps. Alen joined later as an honorary member and carried the name before Hal. Either one could be considered to be the first Green Lantern in some form or another.

Oh and here's how Hal got his ring...

The next Green Lantern to see publication was Harold "Hal" Jordan, a second-generation test pilot, having followed in the footsteps of his father, Martin Jordan. He was given the power ring and battery (lantern) by a dying alien named Abin Sur, whose spaceship crashed on Earth. Abin Sur used his ring to seek out an individual who was "utterly honest and born without fear" to take his place as Green Lantern.

PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 2:39 pm
by Saber Prime
I thought this was kinda funny so I thought I'd randomly share it with you. This came from Wiki...

Green Lantern oath
Green Lantern is famous for the oath he recites when he charges his ring. Originally, the oath was simple:

“ ...and I shall shed my light over dark evil.

For the dark things cannot stand the light,

The light of the Green Lantern!

—Alan Scott


(This oath was later given as an in-joke to Tomar-Re, Green Lantern of sector 2813, and the first Lantern Hal Jordan met after Abin Sur.)


I don't get the joke it's refering to...

In the mid-1940s, this was revised into the form that became famous during the Hal Jordan era:

“ In brightest day, in blackest night,

No evil shall escape my sight

Let those who worship evil's might,

Beware my power...Green Lantern's light!

—Hal Jordan/All Current Lanterns


The word "blackest" was often replaced with "darkest" to avoid racist connotations. The above is the most popular version of Green Lantern's oath. Science fiction writer Alfred Bester, who wrote many Green Lantern stories in the 1940s, has been credited as the creator of this oath. However, in an interview with journalist F. Gwynplaine MacIntyre at the 1979 World Science Fiction Convention in Brighton, England, Bester stated that the brightest-day oath was already in place before he began writing for the character.
This is a nice example of how people can get the wrong information.

Speaking of wrong information. In "Forever Plaid" I didn't even get credited in the program for working the show and now in "Plaid Tidings" which just opened yesterday I'm credited as a Spot Light Operator. Kinda funny considering I can't see to operate a spot light, never worked one and never will. I'm back stage crew. :P

It had been established in the past that each Green Lantern has his, her, or its own oath. For example, Medphyl, the Green Lantern of the planet J586 (seen in Swamp Thing # 61, "All Flesh is Grass"), a planet where a sentient plant species lives, has the following oath:

In forest dark or glade beferned
No blade of grass shall go unturned
Let those who have the daylight spurned
Tread not where this green lamp has burned.


This Green Lantern's planet sounds like the Planet Botanica scaned her alt mode from. Anyone know if Medphyl is a girl?

Other notable oaths include that of Jack T. Chance:

You who are wicked, evil and mean
I'm the nastiest creep you've ever seen!
Come one, come all, put up a fight
I'll pound your butts with Green Lantern's light!
Yowza.


That Yowza at the end seems kinda random and I can't get the image of a Green Lantern standing outside a circus tent shouting "Come one, come all" out of my mind.

and that of Rot Lop Fan, a Green Lantern whose species lacks sight, and thus has no concepts of brightness, darkness, day, night, color, or lanterns:

In loudest din or hush profound
My ears catch evil's slightest sound
Let those who toll out evil's knell
Beware my power, the F-Sharp Bell!


That one speaks for itself.

Since Green Lantern: Rebirth and the restart of the Green Lantern Corps, the only oath used has been the Brightest Day, Blackest Night version.


[edit] Duck Dodgers' oath
In the animated TV series Duck Dodgers, Duck Dodgers temporarily becomes a Green Lantern after accidentally picking up Hal Jordan's laundry. In the first part of the episode, he forgets the real quote and makes up his own version:

In blackest day or brightest night
Watermelon, cantaloupe, yadda yadda
Erm...superstitious and cowardly lot
With liberty and justice for all!
(In-joke: "watermelon" and "cantaloupe" are words traditionally muttered repeatedly by extras in crowd scenes to simulate actual conversation, and "superstitious and cowardly lot" were the words associated with Bruce Wayne's realization of why he needed to use the image of a bat as a means to scare criminals.)

Now I've been an extra before and I never said anything about Watermelon and Cantaloupe. I did say some other things though like...

"Lets pretend to talk to eachother before we have to get up and I say my only lines in this entire freaking show."

"No I'm not horney, there really is a bannana in my pocket. You want a bite?"

"Why am I here with you? Last time I was on stage I was with another girl and you were a model. Did I dump her before we came here?"

And my personal favorite...

"The audience is sitting like right next to us, you think they can hear all the random crap we're whispering to eachother?"

PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 5:33 pm
by sto_vo_kor_2000
Saber Prime wrote:
Huh? How could John and Hal even know eachother? Kyle Rayner was the Green Lanturn before John and after Hal. Pluse each sector only has one Green Lanturn at a time. Hal would have been long gone by the time John came in. And that still doesn't even make sence even if Hal and John did know eachother. The Guardians and even Abin Sir who Hal saved are of different races. Abin Sir allmost looks human except for skin color. How or why would Hal save his life if he was a racist.


There could be any number of reasons for Hal not wanting John to be a Green Lanturn or date a woman that have nothing to do with his being black. Mabe Hal was in love with that woman. I wouldn't want some guy dateing a woman I was in love with, I don't care what color they are.


Wow.....no disrespect to you when I say this but you know almost nothing about the Green Lanterns.

Your knowledge on Grean lanters come only from the Justice League cartoon and even with that your mistaken.When Kyle gets his ring in the Superman animated serries you can see John Steward among all the GL's when the Guardians are explaining the reason for the GL corp to Kyle.It was also said in the Justie League cartoon that John was off world training for a good number of years and that Kyle was still a studant in training.

There are some major differences between the comic and the toon versions of the history of the Green Lanterns.

To make a long story short.....

Hal was givin his ring by Abin Sur back in the 50's....

Guy Guradner was introdused in the 60's as a possible replacement for Hal but I dont think he used a ring at all then [I could be wrong] he didnt get a ring of his owen till the 80's because he was hurt in a car wreck and was in a coma for a long time

In the 70's it was desided that Hal needed a substitute incase he were to become incapasitated so the Guardians ordered Hal to trained John Stweard [who was not a military man at all].

In the 80's Guy Guardner was given a ring durring the first Crissis.

In the mid to late 90's Hal went bad becoming Paralax ...killing most of the GL corp and all but 1 of the Guardian's as well.One of them survived [Ganthet] and brought a ring to Kyle Rayner.

So all together space sector 2814 has 4 corp members in it that are all from the same planet.

I have more GL info if you like....like the Green Lantern from the planet Vulcan.

As for Hal being a rascist like I said it may have been to strong a word but its still a fact that came out of the stories that were written in the 70's.

PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 5:45 pm
by sto_vo_kor_2000
Saber Prime wrote:I had forgotten about Alen Scott so I descided to look him up. Hal Jordan could still be considered the first Green Lanturn though for two reasons.

1. Alen Scott's costume seems to be mostly red. Who's idea was it to name a character GREEN lantern and give him a RED costume?

2. Alen's bio seems to have no real conection to the Green Lantern Corps.

Green Lantern (sometimes called the Green Lantern in the early days) was created by Martin Nodell (using the name Mart Dellon) and Bill Finger. He first appeared in the Golden Age of comic books in All-American Comics #16 (July 1940), published by All-American Publications, one of three companies that would eventually merge to form DC Comics. The collector market for original copies of this issue is strong, with a sale in October 2007 selling on an online vintage comic trading site, ComicConnect.com, for $29,250.[1] This Green Lantern was Alan Scott, an engineer who had come into possession of a magic lantern. From this, he crafted a magic ring which gave him a wide variety of powers. The limitations of the ring were that it had to be "charged" every 24 hours by touching it to the lantern for a time, and that it did not work on wood.

Nodell had originally planned to give Green Lantern the alter ego "Alan Ladd," this being a linguistic twist on Aladdin, who had a magic lamp and magic ring of his own. DC considered the wordplay distracting and foolish, and the character's name was changed before publication to "Alan Scott." In May 1942, the film This Gun for Hire suddenly made the journeyman actor of the same name a movie star. Nodell would always joke that they'd missed a great opportunity.[2]


He did carrey the name first but he never seemed to actully be a member of the Green Lantern Corps. Hal was the first human to actully join them.

-=edit=-

Wait just read further down on the page. His story was rewrighten to link him with the Green Lantern Corps and the Guardians but that was only after Hal Jordan had allready been introduced.

Hal is still the first Human to join the Green Lantern Corps. Alen joined later as an honorary member and carried the name before Hal. Either one could be considered to be the first Green Lantern in some form or another.

Oh and here's how Hal got his ring...

The next Green Lantern to see publication was Harold "Hal" Jordan, a second-generation test pilot, having followed in the footsteps of his father, Martin Jordan. He was given the power ring and battery (lantern) by a dying alien named Abin Sur, whose spaceship crashed on Earth. Abin Sur used his ring to seek out an individual who was "utterly honest and born without fear" to take his place as Green Lantern.


I dont see what your trying to point out with the bold section you have there.......first of all the way a ring bearer is chosen has been retconed many time since Hal first got his ring......it is now that one must posses a great willpower and have the ability to overcome great fear.
The "utterly honest" aspect was removed because there have been more then a few members of the GL corp that went bad.

And besides being a rascist has nothing to do with being utterly honest.......as a matter of fact most rascist are being honest about how they feel.

PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 5:54 pm
by sto_vo_kor_2000
Saber Prime wrote:I thought this was kinda funny so I thought I'd randomly share it with you. This came from Wiki...

Green Lantern oath
Green Lantern is famous for the oath he recites when he charges his ring. Originally, the oath was simple:

“ ...and I shall shed my light over dark evil.

For the dark things cannot stand the light,

The light of the Green Lantern!

—Alan Scott


(This oath was later given as an in-joke to Tomar-Re, Green Lantern of sector 2813, and the first Lantern Hal Jordan met after Abin Sur.)


I don't get the joke it's refering to...

In the mid-1940s, this was revised into the form that became famous during the Hal Jordan era:

“ In brightest day, in blackest night,

No evil shall escape my sight

Let those who worship evil's might,

Beware my power...Green Lantern's light!

—Hal Jordan/All Current Lanterns


The word "blackest" was often replaced with "darkest" to avoid racist connotations. The above is the most popular version of Green Lantern's oath. Science fiction writer Alfred Bester, who wrote many Green Lantern stories in the 1940s, has been credited as the creator of this oath. However, in an interview with journalist F. Gwynplaine MacIntyre at the 1979 World Science Fiction Convention in Brighton, England, Bester stated that the brightest-day oath was already in place before he began writing for the character.
This is a nice example of how people can get the wrong information.

Speaking of wrong information. In "Forever Plaid" I didn't even get credited in the program for working the show and now in "Plaid Tidings" which just opened yesterday I'm credited as a Spot Light Operator. Kinda funny considering I can't see to operate a spot light, never worked one and never will. I'm back stage crew. :P

It had been established in the past that each Green Lantern has his, her, or its own oath. For example, Medphyl, the Green Lantern of the planet J586 (seen in Swamp Thing # 61, "All Flesh is Grass"), a planet where a sentient plant species lives, has the following oath:

In forest dark or glade beferned
No blade of grass shall go unturned
Let those who have the daylight spurned
Tread not where this green lamp has burned.


This Green Lantern's planet sounds like the Planet Botanica scaned her alt mode from. Anyone know if Medphyl is a girl?

Other notable oaths include that of Jack T. Chance:

You who are wicked, evil and mean
I'm the nastiest creep you've ever seen!
Come one, come all, put up a fight
I'll pound your butts with Green Lantern's light!
Yowza.


That Yowza at the end seems kinda random and I can't get the image of a Green Lantern standing outside a circus tent shouting "Come one, come all" out of my mind.

and that of Rot Lop Fan, a Green Lantern whose species lacks sight, and thus has no concepts of brightness, darkness, day, night, color, or lanterns:

In loudest din or hush profound
My ears catch evil's slightest sound
Let those who toll out evil's knell
Beware my power, the F-Sharp Bell!


That one speaks for itself.

Since Green Lantern: Rebirth and the restart of the Green Lantern Corps, the only oath used has been the Brightest Day, Blackest Night version.


[edit] Duck Dodgers' oath
In the animated TV series Duck Dodgers, Duck Dodgers temporarily becomes a Green Lantern after accidentally picking up Hal Jordan's laundry. In the first part of the episode, he forgets the real quote and makes up his own version:

In blackest day or brightest night
Watermelon, cantaloupe, yadda yadda
Erm...superstitious and cowardly lot
With liberty and justice for all!
(In-joke: "watermelon" and "cantaloupe" are words traditionally muttered repeatedly by extras in crowd scenes to simulate actual conversation, and "superstitious and cowardly lot" were the words associated with Bruce Wayne's realization of why he needed to use the image of a bat as a means to scare criminals.)

Now I've been an extra before and I never said anything about Watermelon and Cantaloupe. I did say some other things though like...

"Lets pretend to talk to eachother before we have to get up and I say my only lines in this entire freaking show."

"No I'm not horney, there really is a bannana in my pocket. You want a bite?"

"Why am I here with you? Last time I was on stage I was with another girl and you were a model. Did I dump her before we came here?"

And my personal favorite...

"The audience is sitting like right next to us, you think they can hear all the random crap we're whispering to eachother?"


Not to sound rude but all of what you posted here was allready knowen to me but it was fun reading it 8) By the way the injoke they were talking about was that the oath used by Tomar Re was the same oath used by Alan Scott the original GL. Its like the inside joke made in Breat Wars about dicast metal being a lost art.Only a long time fan would have gotten the joke.

PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 1:54 am
by Saber Prime
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Not to sound rude but all of what you posted here was allready knowen to me but it was fun reading it 8)
Oh I wasn't trying to give you information I thought you didn't allready know, I was just bored and wanted to comment on the different oaths. :D

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:By the way the injoke they were talking about was that the oath used by Tomar Re was the same oath used by Alan Scott the original GL.
I know that, it says that in the quote I put up. I just don't understand why it's supose to be funny. They just reused an old oath for another character, where's the "joke" part?

PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 2:05 am
by sto_vo_kor_2000
Saber Prime wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Not to sound rude but all of what you posted here was allready knowen to me but it was fun reading it 8)
Oh I wasn't trying to give you information I thought you didn't allready know, I was just bored and wanted to comment on the different oaths. :D

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:By the way the injoke they were talking about was that the oath used by Tomar Re was the same oath used by Alan Scott the original GL.
I know that, it says that in the quote I put up. I just don't understand why it's supose to be funny. They just reused an old oath for another character, where's the "joke" part?


All jokes arent ment to be funny..........just like the joke on beast wars about dicast being a lost art wasnt really funny.....or like the joke from one of the Batman movies, I dont know if you were a fan of them but in Batman forever when Dick is insisting that he become Batmans partner he starts saying to Bruce" what should I call myself....Batboy ,Nightwing what do you think?"..... thats an exsample of an inside joke.

PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 2:24 am
by Saber Prime
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Saber Prime wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Not to sound rude but all of what you posted here was allready knowen to me but it was fun reading it 8)
Oh I wasn't trying to give you information I thought you didn't allready know, I was just bored and wanted to comment on the different oaths. :D

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:By the way the injoke they were talking about was that the oath used by Tomar Re was the same oath used by Alan Scott the original GL.
I know that, it says that in the quote I put up. I just don't understand why it's supose to be funny. They just reused an old oath for another character, where's the "joke" part?


All jokes arent ment to be funny..........just like the joke on beast wars about dicast being a lost art wasnt really funny.....or like the joke from one of the Batman movies, I dont know if you were a fan of them but in Batman forever when Dick is insisting that he become Batmans partner he starts saying to Bruce" what should I call myself....Batboy ,Nightwing what do you think?"..... thats an exsample of an inside joke.


All jokes are funny otherwise it's not a joke. Inside jokes are just things that only a sertain group of people would understand, like me saying "Pie is People", it's not funny unless you get that it's a "Sweeney Todd" refrence to the plot where they bake people into pies.

Nightwing is funny if you really know Dick Greyson because he sugested it as a name and he actully does use that name after he get's out of Batman's shadow.

A Green Lantern useing an old oath from a completly different Green Lantern is not funny. Even if I was a fan of the comics and was alive to follow all the Lanturn's storys I would either not even notice the quote changed (at least not right away) or still wouldn't get the "joke" that he's useing another Green Lanturn's oath.

That's like one Transformer like Energon Shock Blast looking like G1 Shockwave. It's not really a joke, just a HOMAGE!

I finally thought of it right after I posted.

PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 2:33 am
by sto_vo_kor_2000
Saber Prime wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Saber Prime wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Not to sound rude but all of what you posted here was allready knowen to me but it was fun reading it 8)
Oh I wasn't trying to give you information I thought you didn't allready know, I was just bored and wanted to comment on the different oaths. :D

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:By the way the injoke they were talking about was that the oath used by Tomar Re was the same oath used by Alan Scott the original GL.
I know that, it says that in the quote I put up. I just don't understand why it's supose to be funny. They just reused an old oath for another character, where's the "joke" part?


All jokes arent ment to be funny..........just like the joke on beast wars about dicast being a lost art wasnt really funny.....or like the joke from one of the Batman movies, I dont know if you were a fan of them but in Batman forever when Dick is insisting that he become Batmans partner he starts saying to Bruce" what should I call myself....Batboy ,Nightwing what do you think?"..... thats an exsample of an inside joke.


All jokes are funny otherwise it's not a joke. Inside jokes are just things that only a sertain group of people would understand, like me saying "Pie is People", it's not funny unless you get that it's a "Sweeney Todd" refrence to the plot where they bake people into pies.

Nightwing is funny if you really know Dick Greyson because he sugested it as a name and he actully does use that name after he get's out of Batman's shadow.

A Green Lantern useing an old oath from a completly different Green Lantern is not funny. Even if I was a fan of the comics and was alive to follow all the Lanturn's storys I would either not even notice the quote changed (at least not right away) or still wouldn't get the "joke" that he's useing another Green Lanturn's oath.

That's like one Transformer like Energon Shock Blast looking like G1 Shockwave. It's not really a joke, just a HOMAGE!

I finally thought of it right after I posted.


All jokes are not funny when you think about it.....how many bad jokes have you heard in your life :-P And the fact that Dick uses the name in his life doesnt make it funny.....I got the joke but didnt laugh or think it was funny.And the inside joke with the GL oath was that "THAT" oath had never been used as far as we know by any member or the corps that we've seen in action.That oath belonged to the original GL and he has never been a active member of the corps.His ring is powered by an other sorce witch is also conected to the Guardians.

PostPosted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 2:50 pm
by Saber Prime
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:All jokes are not funny when you think about it.....how many bad jokes have you heard in your life :-P
Lost count.

Jokes aren't allways funny to EVERYBODY but they should be funny to SOMEBODY. The Dick Greayson calling himself Nightwing in Batman Forever was funny to me. I laughed when he said that line.

However later in Batman and Robin he actully had a costume that resembled Nightwing's with the large bird across his chest rather than the little "R" symbol that's common on all other Robin costumes. He only really used that Nightwing looking costume for the last sceen in the movie but he had it. It wasn't funny or a joke, jost a homage to his other identity.