The Energon Pub

Who are some of the worst makeovers in character or design for TF characters, within the same series? This is where they took a wonderful character and slagged him up beyond recognition but in the same continuity.

My current votes:

Energon Demolisher

He looked great early in the series still in his Armada form, and he had more genuine character developement than anyone else too... Then they turned him into a dump truck with only half a cerebro-circuit to operate off of and a hideous robot mode. Wikis I read even call him a big ape. NO, not you Demolisher, what did they do to you?

Cybertron Hot Shot

It was so tragic to me when he got reformated for the Cybertron Defense team. He was on his way to being another Override or Blurr type character, and then he got turned in to a big slow armored urban tank thing. He can never race again. Dirtboss would kick his aft in a race against that new alt mode.

When Brad Mick changed the well fleshed out War Within Grimlock and turned him into a drooling retard.

Really, Grimlock had his own freaking faction during Dark Ages and was a pretty good leader.

In one of Brad Mick's last comics we saw that Hot Rod (a inexperienced soldier) was to take command of the Dinobots
Grimlock wouldn't obey anyone except Optimus, Magnus or Xaaron if you go by the old comic, War Within and the current IDW comics.

Similarly he turned Ratbat into a stupid animal, eventhough he was highly intelligent leader in War Within.

You deserve a boot in the face for making stupid changes like that. But luckily he got cancelled and will hopefully never write TF again.

I could go on, but I'd only be ranting for several pages.

I'm torn about animated wreck-gar. Garbage truck makes sense, and he is voiced by weird al. But then again the motorcycle tv talk was teh awesome

Beast machines Primal.
ok i can deal with beast wars primal, but a preach monkey? come on. way to take the maximals to sunday school

Name_Violation wrote:Beast machines Primal.
ok i can deal with beast wars primal, but a preach monkey? come on. way to take the maximals to sunday school

Also Transmetals Primal he looks bland when compared to the original body.

BM Rattrap, just look at him! (we seriously need a puking smiley.

idw Seekers, seriously the MP design over every damn G1ish body design they choose the shi***est?

Rattrap and Blackarachnia in Beast Machines.

Rattrap was in his home element during the Beast Wars, and he had no problems fighting with guys bigger than him ( especially since everyone was bigger than him. ), and he never trusted Megatron an inch. In Beast Machines, he was a total coward, actually helped Megatron one time, and had a hidious and unarmed robot form that screamed mickey mouse. Plus I can't believe he could not find a single handgun laying around Cybertron.

Blackarachnia was an interesting character who broke the mold of the fembot mentality of the time. She tried to steal power from Megatron, was at times willing to let her partners go to the dogs to save her butt, only saved Optimus Prime for the same reason, beat the living crap out of Rampage, and gave Rattrap a snip. In Beast Machines, she became a whiny, annoying anorexic housewife who kept talking abot Silverbolt every 5 minutes...and her talking "About goodness, about honor, the sake of Cybertron!" and "As a Maximal.." The Blackarachnia from Beast Wars would have rather torn out her own voice box before saying anything like that.

RiD/Unicron Triogy Megatron to Galvatron.
I have never gotten this one. Megatron swaps his colours over and then becomes Galvatron. What's the deal with that!?
Changing your colours does NOT mean that you are stronger

Anything Andy Wildman destroyed in Dark Ages. Blitzwing comes to mind.

Oh, and G2 anyone.

What about Goldbug?

Name_Violation wrote:I'm torn about animated wreck-gar. Garbage truck makes sense, and he is voiced by weird al. But then again the motorcycle tv talk was teh awesome

The OP said changes within the same continuity. The G1 Motorcycle Wreck-Gar and the Animated Garbage Truck Wreck-Gar are not in the same continuity.

Uber Galvatron wrote:RiD/Unicron Triogy Megatron to Galvatron.
I have never gotten this one. Megatron swaps his colours over and then becomes Galvatron. What's the deal with that!?
Changing your colours does NOT mean that you are stronger

In both series, changeing their colors did make them stronger. Allthough in the case of the Autobot Brother's of RID that extra boost of energy was only tempory then they'd revert back to their original colors.

At least in RID Galvatron allso gained 4 extra modes Megatron didn't have. Allthough with the toys, I don't know how true this is but I've heard in Japan Megatron actully had a different toy. They remolded him to give him extra joints so he could get thoughs 4 extra modes however when they brought it to the US we only got Galvatron's mold and Hasbro simply repained it to look like Megatron. Technically that would mean in Japan Galvatron was a remold/repaint of Megatron and in the US Megatron is a repaint of Galvatron. (And I am useing the US names but you still know who I'm talking about so I really don't wanna hear any "no that's not right there is no Megatron or Galvatron in Japan." There is, he has a different name but still the same character.)

The Autobot brothers are probly the only TFs to recive a power boost that only works for a short time. (G1 Hot Rod/Rodimus Prime exscluded because he never reverted back to Hot Rod as long as he kept the Matrix. In RID we really don't know what caused the Autobot Brothers power boost let alone how they can't maintain it.)

That being said, a color change SHOULDN'T make you more powerfull. I really hope for the return of a TRUE Galvatron upgrade. Like in G1 When upgradeing from Megatron to Galvatron actully ment getting a new mold.

Maybe either Animated or the movie will give us a new mold upgrade. I doubt the movie is going to just recolor Megatron. Animated, considering how offten they actully show the Decepticons I don't think he should become Galvatron at all really. It seems like Megatron hasn't been around long enough yet. If he did become Galvatron considering how much the characters look like their G1 Counterparts maybe we will get a new mold that looks simular to G1/Energon Galvatron.

All this being said...

RID I actully like Galvatron better. Really never liked the Purple version.

Armada, Megatron was better. They should have just left him as Megatron then upgraded him to Galvatron.

Energon, insted of makeing the two molds Megatron and Galvatron I think they BOTH should of been Galvatron but one should of been a toy only figure and never appeared on the cartoon. Older fans would recognize why. One of them was colored like G1 Toon Galvatron and the other was colored like the G1 Toy Galvatron.

Cybertron, both were actully good color scemes. I like Galvatron's but Megatron's actully shows what his internet bio said about him. That he built his armor from Unicron's remains. Unicron's coloring is still on the Megatron mold and I like that effect.

Name_Violation wrote:goldbug, what about kup

Every time I see that I laugh

Uber Galvatron wrote:Changing your colours does NOT mean that you are stronger

Evidently it does.

How bout this for the worst Makeover.

TM Cheetor to TM2 Cheetor!

Everyone allways complains about the bad BM designs but even Beast Machines Cheetor looked better than TM2.

TM2 Cheetor is not only the ugliest TF ever but his toy has absolutly NO articulation. You can barely Transform the thing without bending his completly useless elbow blades out of shape. He can't even hold his weapon properly. I just left it in his back which he can't use it back there and looks even uglier without it.

Come to think of it, it'd make great material for the Plastic Addict.

Saber Prime wrote:How bout this for the worst Makeover.

TM Cheetor to TM2 Cheetor!

Everyone allways complains about the bad BM designs but even Beast Machines Cheetor looked better than TM2.

TM2 Cheetor is not only the ugliest TF ever but his toy has absolutly NO articulation. You can barely Transform the thing without bending his completly useless elbow blades out of shape. He can't even hold his weapon properly. I just left it in his back which he can't use it back there and looks even uglier without it.

Come to think of it, it'd make great material for the Plastic Addict.

Oh hell yes that would be an awesome vid!
And yes Cheetor's toys kinda suck but TM2 Cheetor looked quite good on the TV it'S just sad that the toy sucked so much ass..

Dead Metal wrote:

Saber Prime wrote:How bout this for the worst Makeover.

TM Cheetor to TM2 Cheetor!

Everyone allways complains about the bad BM designs but even Beast Machines Cheetor looked better than TM2.

TM2 Cheetor is not only the ugliest TF ever but his toy has absolutly NO articulation. You can barely Transform the thing without bending his completly useless elbow blades out of shape. He can't even hold his weapon properly. I just left it in his back which he can't use it back there and looks even uglier without it.

Come to think of it, it'd make great material for the Plastic Addict.

Oh hell yes that would be an awesome vid!
And yes Cheetor's toys kinda suck but TM2 Cheetor looked quite good on the TV it'S just sad that the toy sucked so much ass..

No, even on TV it was ugly as hell. Granted it was an inprovement from the toy version but that's not saying a whole lot.

From his original beast mode, TM2 should of been the first upgrade, then BM, then the Transmetal form. And I'm only putting the original beast mode first for the sake of keeping the Earth Beast Mode as his first form, even that was better looking than the TM2 form.

Speaking of the original Cheetor, I just saw a Transformers Universe version of it at Wal-Mart yesterday. The beast mode is a huge improvment over his original toy, it doesn't have a huge cannon sticking out of the chest anymore but the robot mode looks miss-transformed on the back of the box. His shoulders are down below his beast head/chest.

Saber Prime wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:

Saber Prime wrote:How bout this for the worst Makeover.

TM Cheetor to TM2 Cheetor!

Everyone allways complains about the bad BM designs but even Beast Machines Cheetor looked better than TM2.

TM2 Cheetor is not only the ugliest TF ever but his toy has absolutly NO articulation. You can barely Transform the thing without bending his completly useless elbow blades out of shape. He can't even hold his weapon properly. I just left it in his back which he can't use it back there and looks even uglier without it.

Come to think of it, it'd make great material for the Plastic Addict.

Oh hell yes that would be an awesome vid!
And yes Cheetor's toys kinda suck but TM2 Cheetor looked quite good on the TV it'S just sad that the toy sucked so much ass..

No, even on TV it was ugly as hell. Granted it was an inprovement from the toy version but that's not saying a whole lot.

From his original beast mode, TM2 should of been the first upgrade, then BM, then the Transmetal form. And I'm only putting the original beast mode first for the sake of keeping the Earth Beast Mode as his first form, even that was better looking than the TM2 form.

Speaking of the original Cheetor, I just saw a Transformers Universe version of it at Wal-Mart yesterday. The beast mode is a huge improvment over his original toy, it doesn't have a huge cannon sticking out of the chest anymore but the robot mode looks miss-transformed on the back of the box. His shoulders are down below his beast head/chest.

Stay away from that toy it's even worse then TM2!
http://www.seibertron.com/toys/gallery. ... 0&start=50

Dead Metal wrote:Stay away from that toy it's even worse then TM2!
http://www.seibertron.com/toys/gallery. ... 0&start=50

Was that ment to be sarcastic because now that I've seen the true transformation I actully want that toy. The only real problem I see now is that he doesn't have the proper robot legs but other than that...

He's not as bulky as the original toy. He doesn't have the huge ass cannon sticking out of his chest in beast mode like the original toy did. And the big save for him, I've just discovered the picture of his robot mode on the back of the box was misstransformed. His shoulders are actully where they're supose to be not down by his hips like the box showed.

I'm exadgerating a bit but this is the box image I saw that made me not want the toy.

http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/ ... 1677/1/12/

As you can see the shoulders are quite a bit lower than where they should be and where they're shown in the Cybertron gallery.

http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/ ... 1677/1/60/

Allthough the box image does show a bit more robotic detailing that the toy appearently doesn't actully have.

Saber Prime wrote:

Dead Metal wrote:Stay away from that toy it's even worse then TM2!
http://www.seibertron.com/toys/gallery. ... 0&start=50

Was that ment to be sarcastic because now that I've seen the true transformation I actully want that toy. The only real problem I see now is that he doesn't have the proper robot legs but other than that...

He's not as bulky as the original toy. He doesn't have the huge ass cannon sticking out of his chest in beast mode like the original toy did. And the big save for him, I've just discovered the picture of his robot mode on the back of the box was misstransformed. His shoulders are actully where they're supose to be not down by his hips like the box showed.

I'm exadgerating a bit but this is the box image I saw that made me not want the toy.

http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/ ... 1677/1/12/

As you can see the shoulders are quite a bit lower than where they should be and where they're shown in the Cybertron gallery.

http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/ ... 1677/1/60/

Allthough the box image does show a bit more robotic detailing that the toy appearently doesn't actully have.

Didn't you see the god damned hunchback?
http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/ ... 1677/1/67/

even with the hunchback, it looks better than the others

That's not a hunchback, that's just your standard back kibble that nearly ALL Transformers have. There's a verry, verry, VERRY short list of Transfromers without Back Kibble.

TM2 Cheetor is among the Transformers without back kibble, he actully is a hunchback.

Back Kibble = The extra parts from your alt mode get left on your back because there's nowhere else to put them.

Hunchback = Your mold is just designed that way.

TM2 Cheetor is the only Transformer (I'm aware of) to have a true hunchback design. His back is hunched in both modes, the hump is not made of extra kibble from the transformation. It's just there!

Saber Prime wrote:That's not a hunchback, that's just your standard back kibble that nearly ALL Transformers have. There's a verry, verry, VERRY short list of Transfromers without Back Kibble.

TM2 Cheetor is among the Transformers without back kibble, he actully is a hunchback.

Back Kibble = The extra parts from your alt mode get left on your back because there's nowhere else to put them.

Hunchback = Your mold is just designed that way.

TM2 Cheetor is the only Transformer (I'm aware of) to have a true hunchback design. His back is hunched in both modes, the hump is not made of extra kibble from the transformation. It's just there!

Transmetal Spittor and RID Slapper were hunchbacks, if I believe.

Emperor Primacron the 1st wrote:

Saber Prime wrote:That's not a hunchback, that's just your standard back kibble that nearly ALL Transformers have. There's a verry, verry, VERRY short list of Transfromers without Back Kibble.

TM2 Cheetor is among the Transformers without back kibble, he actully is a hunchback.

Back Kibble = The extra parts from your alt mode get left on your back because there's nowhere else to put them.

Hunchback = Your mold is just designed that way.

TM2 Cheetor is the only Transformer (I'm aware of) to have a true hunchback design. His back is hunched in both modes, the hump is not made of extra kibble from the transformation. It's just there!

Transmetal Spittor and RID Slapper were hunchbacks, if I believe.

Um... Techically both thoughs characters share the same mold.

If you want to count them seperatly what about... all the sudden can't remember his name. Wasn't there a black Wal-Mart exsclusive of Cheetor's TM2 mold with a different name?

Saber Prime wrote:

Emperor Primacron the 1st wrote:
Transmetal Spittor and RID Slapper were hunchbacks, if I believe.

Um... Techically both thoughs characters share the same mold.

Technically they dont.

Transmetal2 Spittor and RID Slapper share the same mold but not regular Transmetal Spittor.

Regular Spittor
http://www.tfu.info/1997/Predacon/Spittor/spittor.htm

Transmettle Spittor
http://www.tfu.info/1998/Predacon/Spittor/spittor.htm

Transmettle 2 Spittor
http://www.tfu.info/1999/Predacon/Spittor/spittor.htm

RID Slapper
http://www.tfu.info/2001/Predacon/Slapper/slapper.htm

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Saber Prime wrote:

Emperor Primacron the 1st wrote:
Transmetal Spittor and RID Slapper were hunchbacks, if I believe.

Um... Techically both thoughs characters share the same mold.

Technically they dont.

Transmetal2 Spittor and RID Slapper share the same mold but not regular Transmetal Spittor.

Regular Spittor
http://www.tfu.info/1997/Predacon/Spittor/spittor.htm

Transmettle Spittor
http://www.tfu.info/1998/Predacon/Spittor/spittor.htm

Transmettle 2 Spittor
http://www.tfu.info/1999/Predacon/Spittor/spittor.htm

RID Slapper
http://www.tfu.info/2001/Predacon/Slapper/slapper.htm

Even more Technical, the one you refer to as his "regular transmetal" isn't a Transmetal figure. It's a repaint of his original form.

Transmetal 2 figures don't share many simular qualitys so the repaint could actully pass as a TM2. However a True Transmetal figure has 3 modes, Beast, Vehicle (or rather something called a Vehicle but just looks like the beast mode with vehicle parts attached), and Robot. The lack of that 3rd mode really dissqualifies him as being a Transmetal. He may of been labled that way but you really wanna argue about a toy only character?

They are as follows.

Spittor
http://www.tfu.info/1997/Predacon/Spittor/spittor.htm

Repaint Spittor
http://www.tfu.info/1998/Predacon/Spittor/spittor.htm

Transmetal Spittor
http://www.tfu.info/1999/Predacon/Spittor/spittor.htm

RID Slapper
http://www.tfu.info/2001/Predacon/Slapper/slapper.htm

With the lack of a first Transmetal you can call him that even though offically he's a Transmetal 2 same way people refer to Blackarachnia's TM2 form as a Transmetal.

Saber Prime wrote:Even more Technical,

Really lets see??????

Saber Prime wrote: the one you refer to as his "regular transmetal" isn't a Transmetal figure.

According to Hasbro it is.....and you cant get any more or less "Technical" then the official nameing or lableing from the company.

Saber Prime wrote: It's a repaint of his original form.

For the most part your right.

Some of the early Transmetal figures were just repaints with a metalic pain job on some parts.

But regardless Hasbro labeled them differently as Transmetals.

Saber Prime wrote:However a True Transmetal figure has 3 modes, Beast, Vehicle (or rather something called a Vehicle but just looks like the beast mode with vehicle parts attached), and Robot. The lack of that 3rd mode really dissqualifies him as being a Transmetal.

Completely incorrect.

To begin with its Hasbro that decides what qualifies a toy as being called a "TRANSMETAL" not you.And if we were going by your standards we would have to "disqualify" some of the figures to be called "Transmetals".

Initially the toys sported the same origins for a Transmetal as the show did.....but later a few of the figures released as "Transmetals" by Hasbro did not have a 3rd mode, which means Hasbro expanded on their defintions of a Transmetal.And before you say that its only the ones that showed up in the cartoon that count......Transmetal 2 Blackarachnia, who was featured on the show, did not have a 3rd mode.

And the Transmetal 2 clone of Dinibot also did not have a 3rd mode.

Saber Prime wrote: He may of been labled that way but you really wanna argue about a toy only character?

As I just proved there were show characters that were called "Transmetals" and did not have a 3rd mode.

And no matter your personal preference.....the show characters to not stand above those that didnt make it to the show.

Just because a toy didnt get featured in the toon does not mean he doesnt count.

Transformers is more then just a cartoon.

And to sum this up the only characteristic that is universal with Transmetals is a metallic paint job.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:And before you say that its only the ones that showed up in the cartoon that count......Transmetal 2 Blackarachnia, who was featured on the show, did not have a 3rd mode.

And the Transmetal 2 clone of Dinibot also did not have a 3rd mode.

You missed a part of my original post yet again.

Saber Prime wrote:Transmetal 2 figures don't share many simular qualitys so the repaint could actully pass as a TM2.

You're counting TM2's as normal TMs isn't helping your point.

Yeah, it's true Blackarachnia and Dinobot don't have a 3rd mode. Neither does Cheetor's TM2 and Optimal Optimus has 4 modes but I never said anything about TM2's shareing that same quality as a TM.

So really, there are no Transmetals in the show who don't have that 3rd mode. And the only Transmetals on the show are Optimus Primal, Cheetor, Rattrap, Depthcharge, Megatron, Tarantulas, and Rampage all of which have 3 modes.

And as far as I can tell that one repaint of Spittor is the only Transmetal figure (Not Transmetal 2, Just Transmetal) that doesn't have 3 modes so all that proves is that his packageing was misslabled or Hasbro got lazy on renameing a repaint.

Saber Prime wrote: He may of been labled that way but you really wanna argue about a toy only character?

As I just proved there were show characters that were called "Transmetals" and did not have a 3rd mode.

Nope. They were Transmetal 2's not Transmetals. Not a huge difference in name but there is a huge difference in physical trates and origins.

Transmetals were created via Transwarp exsplosion and yes they do all have 3 modes.

Transmetal 2s (with the exception of Optimus and Megatron) were created with an alien device the Predacon's first used to create the new Dinobot. Cheetor stole the device while it was still active and got exsposed to it. And Blackarachnia took it from Cheetor. All of these characters recived verry different effects from eachother and from a true Transmetal. Dinobot became a skelital robot/dino. Cheetor turned into the uglies cat cyborg in exsistance. And Blackarachnia got lots and lots of armor. Optimus and Megatron got their TM2 forms from the Sparks of the original Optimus and Megatron. Optimus gained a new form with 4 modes and Megatron turned into a Dragon.

Someone once argued that Optimus and Megatron weren't even Transmetal 2's because they weren't created by the same alien device that created the others but they're labled that way and there's nothing else you can really classify them as.

the only characteristic that is universal with Transmetals is a metallic paint job.

And wrong again.

There are two main characteristics. One has allready been said. The other is a more Robotic beast mode and an organic looking Robot mode.

Of course again non of the TM2s share thoughs same traits.

And by your definition of haveing a Metalic paint job and you counting TMs and TM2s as being the same then I guess by your standards TM2 Cheetor is not a Transmetal because he doesn't have a metalic paint job.

So how is you want to rag on me for haveing my own definitions for a Transmetal (especially when they're Hasbro's not mine) but you wanna go and insinuate that Cheetor is not a Transmetal 2 just because he's not Matalic?