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Posted: **Wed Mar 11, 2009 8:12 pm**

I was just cleaning my room and found my B'Boom figure so now I got a couple comments to make about him.

Why did they even sell B'Boom in the US when he only appeared in the Japanese Cartoon? His sales were probly alot higher in Japan than they were here because of the fact he doesn't have a cartoon counterpart here.

My other comment is, is it just me or does he look like a Beast Wars version of Ultra Magnus? I mean, if you think about it. Ultra Magnus is just Optimus Prime with different coloring and a different trailer. B'Boom is just Optimus Primal with a different mold. I mean he's still a member of the primate family just a Baboon insted of a gorilla. Ultra Magnus primry color, Blue, B'Boom's primary color, Blue. Both have shoulder stacks and B'Boom's head sculpt even resembles a more organic looking version of Ultra Magnus. He's just allways looked like Ultra Magnus to me. B'Boom is a rather stupid name, I vote we just rename him BW Ultra Magnus.

Posted: **Wed Mar 11, 2009 10:07 pm**

ultra magkey
upright magnus

his character doesn't really fit magnus, the who violent fits of rage thing, but i guess he could be vector simian

Posted: **Thu Mar 12, 2009 3:49 am**

Saber Prime wrote:Why did they even sell B'Boom in the US when he only appeared in the Japanese Cartoon?

Why did they make and release into the western market, so many BW figures that never appeared in any of the cartoons and only (if they were lucky) made an appearance in the IDW comics?

Posted: **Thu Mar 12, 2009 2:07 pm**

Given the tiny lineup of show characters (due to the expenses involved in cgi animation at the time), there was no way Hasbro was going to be happy selling 20 or so figures. TFs have always had non-show characters filling out the ranks in kids' battle scenes. BW was no different.

Posted: **Thu Mar 12, 2009 4:35 pm**

Savage wrote:Given the tiny lineup of show characters (due to the expenses involved in cgi animation at the time), there was no way Hasbro was going to be happy selling 20 or so figures. TFs have always had non-show characters filling out the ranks in kids' battle scenes. BW was no different.

Think you missunderstood the question. Why do you think I brought up the bit about him selling better in Japan?

I'm just saying there's a higher demand for figures of characters who actully come from the cartoon and that means they'd actully be looseing more money selling the figure in an area where no one knows who the hell he is.

Personally at the time I bought him I wanted Primal and that was the only thing there so I got him. If I had actully found Optimus Primal then I never would of bought B'Boom because of his non exsistance in the show. It wasn't even till after I can to these fourms that I even found out about his exsistance in the Japanese cartoons and that isn't even enough to make me want him.

The only reasons I buy Non-Show characters at all is because either I like the mold or they're the closest I can find to the show character I'm looking for.

I have a Red TM Cheetor that I bought because I couldn't find his show colors toy.

I allso have Optimus Minor somewhere because I couldn't find TM Optimus Primal.

I allso have a few Non-show characters from the BW toy line that came out before the show actully went on the air. (or before I knew there was a show attached to the toy line, one of the two.)

Posted: **Fri Mar 13, 2009 3:00 am**

It's not like non-show characters aren't a new thing. Some of the G1 characters either were lucky to be shown in the background once or never made an appearance at all.

So the question doesn't just relate to B'Boom, it relates to a LOT of figures.

The answer is simple, Hasbro likes to put so many figures on the market for a series. For BW they opted for new molds, for later series (Armada onwards) they opted for repaints as it was cheaper than designing new molds.
Though I dunno why i'm typing this, not like Saber Prime ever acknowledges my posts. ahhhhh what a wonderful feature the foe list is! hehehe

Posted: **Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:41 am**

Burn wrote:It's not like non-show characters aren't a new thing. Some of the G1 characters either were lucky to be shown in the background once or never made an appearance at all.

So the question doesn't just relate to B'Boom, it relates to a LOT of figures.

The answer is simple, Hasbro likes to put so many figures on the market for a series. For BW they opted for new molds, for later series (Armada onwards) they opted for repaints as it was cheaper than designing new molds.
Though I dunno why i'm typing this, not like Saber Prime ever acknowledges my posts. ahhhhh what a wonderful feature the foe list is! hehehe

Oh, look what I quoted.

Posted: **Fri Mar 13, 2009 3:31 pm**

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Posted: **Fri Mar 13, 2009 3:44 pm**

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You're right. I'm afraid I have to give myself an Official warning/Infraction...

which I object to and appeal at the same time

and subsequently find my objection to be valid, however, the statute of limitations has expired and my sentence is to be carried out in full.

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Posted: **Fri Mar 13, 2009 3:53 pm**

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Posted: **Fri Mar 13, 2009 11:45 pm**

Saber Prime wrote:I was just cleaning my room and found my B'Boom figure so now I got a couple comments to make about him.

Why did they even sell B'Boom in the US when he only appeared in the Japanese Cartoon? His sales were probly alot higher in Japan than they were here because of the fact he doesn't have a cartoon counterpart here.

From my understanding, BW II was actually created as a quick filler series between Beast Wars CG Season 1 and Beast Wars Metals(which is Season's 2 and 3 combined). However, they needed a roster, and rather than make a whole new cast, they just repainted/remolded existing figures that Hasbro or themselves had already made, which were themselves filler characters. So basically, B'Boom was made by Hasbro first, then adapted by Takara.

Of course, that's probably also why G2 Megatron, G2 Dreadwing and Smokescreen, G2 Autorollers(including two never released in the U.S.), and Machine Wars Megatron/Megaplex, Thundercracker/Skywarp were repainted for Beast Wars II as well. As far as I know they were never released in Japan until Beast Wars II, and were technically "new" molds to that audiance.

Oh yeah, and about Metals. I read somewhere online that organic Beast Modes were actually pretty popular, and sold better than the Transmetals/Transmetal 2's, so that's probably why Beast Wars NEO had an all new cast of organics. Unfortunately, I have no proof to back up this theory, but it's not that bad of one.

Posted: **Mon Mar 16, 2009 5:09 pm**

What surprised me was the IDW comics. Where we got B'boom and Apache as 2 different characters. I mean I thought they were the exact same toy just released with differenr names in different countries.

Am I missing something?

Posted: **Mon Mar 16, 2009 5:35 pm**

Windsweeper wrote:What surprised me was the IDW comics. Where we got B'boom and Apache as 2 different characters. I mean I thought they were the exact same toy just released with differenr names in different countries.

Am I missing something?

Cheetor and Tigatron are the exact same toy. Blackarachia and Tarantulas are even the exact same toy and they have different genders. Where have you been? They been repainting toys and makeing them into new characters sence G1. Starscream, Skywarp, and Thundercracker being the most famous for this.

Posted: **Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:48 pm**

Saber Prime wrote:
Windsweeper wrote:What surprised me was the IDW comics. Where we got B'boom and Apache as 2 different characters. I mean I thought they were the exact same toy just released with differenr names in different countries.

Am I missing something?

Cheetor and Tigatron are the exact same toy. Blackarachia and Tarantulas are even the exact same toy and they have different genders. Where have you been? They been repainting toys and makeing them into new characters sence G1. Starscream, Skywarp, and Thundercracker being the most famous for this.

Yeah, but if you put any of the characters you listed side by side, you could easily tell them apart. However, not so with B'boom/Apache, Snarl/Tasmania Kid, and Claw Jaw/Scuba. According to tfu.info, the figues are exactly the same, barring the fact the Japanese versions probably have Takara Japanese markings and might be missing a rub symbol.

Anyway, I too wonder at IDW's/Simon Furman's choice at making the Japanese versions different characters. They should have just left them out of the whole thing. After all, one or two of the "Cyborg Beasts" weren't Unicron's heralds, and just what was Hardhead doing in there? They should have just focused on fleshing out the already bloated cast introduced in "The Gathering" instead of just shoving more characters amd Botcon Exclusives into "The Ascending".

Truth be told, I'm not a big fan of the Ascending. They could have done something great with "The Gathering's" cast and story, but instead flushed all that potiential down the tube.

Posted: **Thu Mar 19, 2009 6:01 pm**

Saber Prime wrote:I was just cleaning my room and found my B'Boom figure so now I got a couple comments to make about him.

Why did they even sell B'Boom in the US when he only appeared in the Japanese Cartoon? His sales were probly alot higher in Japan than they were here because of the fact he doesn't have a cartoon counterpart here.

TF toylines are full of non-show characters.He's just an other example of that.

Saber Prime wrote:My other comment is, is it just me or does he look like a Beast Wars version of Ultra Magnus? I mean, if you think about it. Ultra Magnus is just Optimus Prime with different coloring and a different trailer. B'Boom is just Optimus Primal with a different mold. I mean he's still a member of the primate family just a Baboon insted of a gorilla. Ultra Magnus primry color, Blue, B'Boom's primary color, Blue. Both have shoulder stacks and B'Boom's head sculpt even resembles a more organic looking version of Ultra Magnus. He's just allways looked like Ultra Magnus to me. B'Boom is a rather stupid name, I vote we just rename him BW Ultra Magnus.

Thats interesting.

Saber Prime wrote:I'm just saying there's a higher demand for figures of characters who actully come from the cartoon and that means they'd actully be looseing more money selling the figure in an area where no one knows who the hell he is.

I'm not sure if thats true of all fans.

Durring the G1 line I went out of my way to buy figures that werent show characters.

Posted: **Thu Mar 19, 2009 6:21 pm**

I always loved the non-show toys. Opened up all sorts of possibilities for the imagination.

Posted: **Thu Mar 19, 2009 8:24 pm**

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Saber Prime wrote:I'm just saying there's a higher demand for figures of characters who actully come from the cartoon and that means they'd actully be looseing more money selling the figure in an area where no one knows who the hell he is.

I'm not sure if thats true of all fans.

Durring the G1 line I went out of my way to buy figures that werent show characters.

Never said there wasn't a demand for them or that no one will buy them. Just said the demand for toys is higher when they actully appear in the cartoon series.

It was in my first post, he probly sells better in Japan where he has an animated counterpart than in the US where he doesn't have one.

Posted: **Thu Mar 19, 2009 9:27 pm**

I might just be a little silly for asking this, but why start the thread if you don't want people to talk about this and just parrot your original post

Anyways, Despite the fact that his colors are in no way similar I've always had it in the back of my mind that B'Boom was more like the BW version Roadbuster with that arsenal he has. just my humble opinion.

Posted: **Thu Mar 19, 2009 9:43 pm**

Bun-Bun wrote::?
I might just be a little silly for asking this, but why start the thread if you don't want people to talk about this and just parrot your original post

Anyways, Despite the fact that his colors are in no way similar I've always had it in the back of my mind that B'Boom was more like the BW version Roadbuster with that arsenal he has. just my humble opinion.

Where did I say I didn't want anyone to talk about this? You got me greatly confused on that one.

Posted: **Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:42 pm**

Saber Prime wrote:Never said there wasn't a demand for them or that no one will buy them. Just said the demand for toys is higher when they actully appear in the cartoon series.

And I'm saying that I dont agree.

There has been some pretty high demand in the fandom for a lot of the store exclusives over the years....and many of the store exclusives are non show characters.

And either way the show characters sell...releasing a non show toy does not effect the sale ratio of the show toys.

So Hasbro ends up making more money over all because, as I said the show toy will sell to those interested in the show only toys either way, and the die hard fan will most likely buy both.

Posted: **Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:45 pm**

Saber Prime wrote:Never said there wasn't a demand for them or that no one will buy them. Just said the demand for toys is higher when they actully appear in the cartoon series.

And I'm saying that I dont agree.

There has been some pretty high demand in the fandom for a lot of the store exclusives over the years....and many of the store exclusives are non show characters.

And either way the show characters sell...releasing a non show toy does not effect the sale ratio of the show toys.

So Hasbro ends up making more money over all because, as I said the show toy will sell to those interested in the show only toys either way, and the die hard fan will most likely buy both.

Posted: **Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:23 pm**

Bun-Bun wrote:Despite the fact that his colors are in no way similar I've always had it in the back of my mind that B'Boom was more like the BW version Roadbuster with that arsenal he has. just my humble opinion.

I could see that.

Has anyone ever seen a custom of Optimal Optimus repainted as Ultra Magnus? That seems more appropriate than B'Boom if one were going to go that route.

Posted: **Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:27 pm**

Caelus wrote:
Bun-Bun wrote:Despite the fact that his colors are in no way similar I've always had it in the back of my mind that B'Boom was more like the BW version Roadbuster with that arsenal he has. just my humble opinion.

I could see that.

Has anyone ever seen a custom of Optimal Optimus repainted as Ultra Magnus? That seems more appropriate than B'Boom if one were going to go that route.

Yeah it would if you just wanted another white repaint. Personally I prefer the versions of Ultra Magnas that are actully new molds and the original who at least had a different trailer to combine with.

Posted: **Fri Mar 20, 2009 2:35 am**

Saber Prime wrote:
Caelus wrote:
Bun-Bun wrote:Despite the fact that his colors are in no way similar I've always had it in the back of my mind that B'Boom was more like the BW version Roadbuster with that arsenal he has. just my humble opinion.

I could see that.

Has anyone ever seen a custom of Optimal Optimus repainted as Ultra Magnus? That seems more appropriate than B'Boom if one were going to go that route.

Yeah it would if you just wanted another white repaint. Personally I prefer the versions of Ultra Magnas that are actully new molds and the original who at least had a different trailer to combine with.

See, I was thinking Ultra Magnus. So predominately light blue with some red and white. The Op Op mold looks like his battle-suit form - bulky, armored, high shoulders.

And besides, we were talking Beast Wars toys that would have made good proxies for BWera G1 characters. If Optimus Prime was proxied by a repaint of Optimus Primal, Lio Convoy, or Big Convoy, they'd look about right together.

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