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if theres one thing in the whole transformerverse i dont understand, its vector sigma. i looked in the wiki and i didnt understand anything! can someone who knows about it simplify it to me?

super computer at the core of cybertron, sometimes needed to create transformers.

Vector Sigma is an ancient and incredibly powerful multiversal super computer which exists across many (conceivably all, though this is speculative) universes. Collectively these multiversal nodes are networked together as the "Vector Sigma Gestalt".[1]

Vector Sigma is generally shaped like a faceted orb. It frequently acts out the will of Primus, and among its other abilities is the infusing of inanimate Transformer bodies with new life. Activating it requires a special circuit key, and possession of the key brings great power.

Tech Spec

Before Cybertron existed, there was Vector Sigma; a super computer of incalculable power. So great was this entity that it could tap into the source of Transformers life itself, the Allspark. Over the eons, Vector Sigma was used by many beings to imbue lifeless Transformers bodies with the Spark of life without judgement. If it was asked to produce noble protectors, it did so. It is was asked to create merciless destroyers, it did that as well. Activating Vector Sigma required a special key, capable of turning organic matter into metal. In lieu of such a key, any Transformer sharing Vector Sigma's computational matrix could activate it at the cost of its own life.

Vector Sigma's influence reached across the multi-verse, where several similar computers would take on its name but serve different functions. In one, Vector Sigma was a computer that all Autobot and Maximal leaders were bonded to. In another it was surrounded by a program known as The Oracle in an age where Maximals and Predacons had taken the place of their ancestors as the primary residents of Cybertron. No matter its location, the very name Vector Sigma has held even some of the greatest Transformers in awe, including Optimus Prime.

This is just my own random theory, but thinking along a G1-BW-BM continuity, Prime pushed the Matrix into Vector Sigma to gain access, but never removed it (in the Rebirth). Perhaps this is what caused Vector Sigma to evolve into the Oracle by the time of BW/BM.

I have the key...............and you're never going to get it!!!!!!!! Muwahahahhaaahaah!!!!!

So according to Marvel's comics, would Vector Sigma be Primus' brain? hmm

SentinelA wrote:So according to Marvel's comics, would Vector Sigma be Primus' brain? hmm

i choose to disassociate mysel--I mean..vector sigma from the Marvel/Primus universe. I like to think of it in terms of the G1 continuity.

SentinelA wrote:So according to Marvel's comics, would Vector Sigma be Primus' brain? hmm

In G1, Vector Sigma called itself Vector Sigma and it would state; "Before Cybertron was, I was!" It never said it was Primus. In other TF universes Cybertron is now the body of Primus, perhaps Vector Sigma is his Spark? Megatron told Rumble in the cartoon series that Vector Sigma was the Mega Computer deep within Cybertron; that gave them all life. But why call it Vector Sigma, if it's Primus's core or Spark? Does Vector Sigma still exist outside of G1/Marvel? In Bayverse I believe Vector Sigma became the All Spark or the Cube. So who did the Quintessons create?

bayverse might throw out the Quints entirely though, unfortunately

vectorA3 wrote:bayverse might throw out the Quints entirely though, unfortunately

I believe Bay already used an element that belonged to the Quintessons. Remember one of the faces of the Quints wore a Egyptian Headdress just like the Dynasty of Primes and The Fallen. In fact, I think the Fallen's whole face and head resembled that one Quintesson head. Of course he could still bring in the Quintessons, and if that one side still has the Egyptian headdress - he could say that the Quints were also part of a separate ruling Dynasty of strange mechanized aliens. Maybe not Transformers but they could still have been at one time invaders to Cybertron and enslaver. After all what was Megatron's title in ancient times? "Protector of Life" or something? Who would he be going up against, if he served the Primes in the past?



On a side note, if they bring in Unicron in TF3 they can bring in the Quints. Here's why:

From the Transformers world, As cruel as a weasel toying with its prey and as persistent as a bloodhound on the trail of a fugitive, the Quintessons are the merciless enforcers of Unicron's will. They hunt down those who try to escape Unicron's wrath. Once the victim is captured, he is doomed. Guilty or innocent, the verdict is always the same- death. The Quintessons are composed of Guards, Gatekeepers, and one five-headed Judge. The Quintessons are the cruel masters of the endless legions of Sharkticons which carry out the Quintessons' verdict.

Motto: "Everyone is guilty until proven innocent - and even then he's guilty!"

Quint headdress you say? i never knew...

egyptian theme? you sure



Sorry, i'm like the only one with Quint love. They iz the shiznit!









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where in g1 does it say or show Quints interacting with Unicron like he's their god? Besides megatron and unicron, they like to strip planets dry of their resources and leave them for dead - so they have that similarity. But I don't remember the quints working for unicron >??

That's because they never did.

Phew!! Thank goodness that was answered. I thought i was losing my mind.

Name_Violation wrote:super computer at the core of cybertron, sometimes needed to create transformers.

Vector Sigma is an ancient and incredibly powerful multiversal super computer which exists across many (conceivably all, though this is speculative) universes. Collectively these multiversal nodes are networked together as the "Vector Sigma Gestalt".[1]

Vector Sigma is generally shaped like a faceted orb. It frequently acts out the will of Primus, and among its other abilities is the infusing of inanimate Transformer bodies with new life. Activating it requires a special circuit key, and possession of the key brings great power.

Tech Spec

Before Cybertron existed, there was Vector Sigma; a super computer of incalculable power. So great was this entity that it could tap into the source of Transformers life itself, the Allspark. Over the eons, Vector Sigma was used by many beings to imbue lifeless Transformers bodies with the Spark of life without judgement. If it was asked to produce noble protectors, it did so. It is was asked to create merciless destroyers, it did that as well. Activating Vector Sigma required a special key, capable of turning organic matter into metal. In lieu of such a key, any Transformer sharing Vector Sigma's computational matrix could activate it at the cost of its own life.

Vector Sigma's influence reached across the multi-verse, where several similar computers would take on its name but serve different functions. In one, Vector Sigma was a computer that all Autobot and Maximal leaders were bonded to. In another it was surrounded by a program known as The Oracle in an age where Maximals and Predacons had taken the place of their ancestors as the primary residents of Cybertron. No matter its location, the very name Vector Sigma has held even some of the greatest Transformers in awe, including Optimus Prime.

Great post, Violation! I was never quite sure of the connection between Vector Sigma in G1 and the Oracle in Beast Machines. The organic-to-techno thing was one of the reasons I loved BM, because it directly connected it back to G1 canon.

BTW, where did your info come from? Is this the generally-accepted Marvel Comics continuity or from somewhere else?

vectorA3 wrote:Phew!! Thank goodness that was answered. I thought i was losing my mind.

The movie wasn't clear on it, however if you Google the name Quintessons and Unicron together you will find many many sources listing the Quintessons as Heralds of Unicron. Many of these sources are Transformer based sites. But check out Unicron's own Bio and background history and you should locate the source of what I came across. I didn't know about that either until I read his mini Bio. Try Google? Although Seibertron.com may have that info as well in the Database. But that would explain how the Quints captured and executed Kranix after Unicron destroyed his world in the 86' movie.

For example:

//ref source: http://www.unicron.com/mainpage/unicron/unicron.htm

....Among his numerous subjects are the Quintessons, who hunt down anyone who escapes his wrath...


//ref source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heralds_of_Unicron

Quintessons
Main article: Quintessons

The Quintessons, the creators of the Transformers in the animated series, were originally intended to be Unicron's servants in The Transformers: The Movie, but this ultimately never made it into the series. In the "Transformers Universe" profile books (not to be confused with the Transformers Universe toy series), they were implicated as followers of Unicron, and in the "Wreckers" Collector's Club comics by 3H, they were written as such as well.

Flare wrote:

vectorA3 wrote:Phew!! Thank goodness that was answered. I thought i was losing my mind.

The movie wasn't clear on it, however if you Google the name Quintessons and Unicron together you will find many many sources listing the Quintessons as Heralds of Unicron. Many of these sources are Transformer based sites. But check out Unicron's own Bio and background history and you should locate the source of what I came across. I didn't know about that either until I read his mini Bio. Try Google? Although Seibertron.com may have that info as well in the Database. But that would explain how the Quints captured and executed Kranix after Unicron destroyed his world in the 86' movie.

For example:

//ref source: http://www.unicron.com/mainpage/unicron/unicron.htm

....Among his numerous subjects are the Quintessons, who hunt down anyone who escapes his wrath...


//ref source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heralds_of_Unicron

Umm i thought Kranix could be on the blink and you mis it ship seen here at 2:03. watch close.

also use the tag url in brackets "[url]" or "[url=whatever.whatever] then make text" and a close tag "[/url]"

and check http://tfwiki.net for better tf answers than regular wiki.

Marvel Comics continuity

Events from the UK-only comic stories are in italics.

Like those creepy little pilotfish that swarm behind sharks, snapping at stray scraps, the Quintessons were vile enforcers for Unicron, savagely hunting down and picking off those who attempted to escape his maw.

takes the fun out of it a little for me. Having the quints be Unicrons servants knock them down a peg in rank. I think it'd be cooler if they were loyal to no one - were on their own and had to fight all opposing factions, including Unicron.

vectorA3 wrote:takes the fun out of it a little for me. Having the quints be Unicrons servants knock them down a peg in rank. I think it'd be cooler if they were loyal to no one - were on their own and had to fight all opposing factions, including Unicron.

I think I read some where, that there was an actual creator of Unicron, and he was a Quintesson or something. I forget his name just now, but I think since Unicron's Alt mode is a planet, if I was a Quint I would want to be one of the inhabitants. The Quints are highly intellegent and I would serve Unicron only for some GREAT benefits or enjoyment of watching other worlds be punished for their warped sense of humor. But I would in no way need to stay around Unicron, but do so for enjoyment. Since Unicron is also highly intellegent, any inhabitants of his would also reflect that level of thinking. Quints are not that strong physically and really can't defend themselves, so having Unicron around carrying you thoughtout the universe would be wise. But vectorA3, they only served Unicron is certain continuities, it never happened in the TV series. If the series would have continued I believe they would have had Unicron making a deal with the Quints. I think the writers also thought that could play out well.

Flare wrote:

vectorA3 wrote:takes the fun out of it a little for me. Having the quints be Unicrons servants knock them down a peg in rank. I think it'd be cooler if they were loyal to no one - were on their own and had to fight all opposing factions, including Unicron.

I think I read some where, that there was an actual creator of Unicron, and he was a Quintesson or something. I forget his name just now, but I think since Unicron's Alt mode is a planet, if I was a Quint I would want to be one of the inhabitants. The Quints are highly intellegent and I would serve Unicron only for some GREAT benefits or enjoyment of watching other worlds be punished for their warped sense of humor. But I would in no way need to stay around Unicron, but do so for enjoyment. Since Unicron is also highly intellegent, any inhabitants of his would also reflect that level of thinking. Quints are not that strong physically and really can't defend themselves, so having Unicron around carrying you thoughtout the universe would be wise. But vectorA3, they only served Unicron is certain continuities, it never happened in the TV series. If the series would have continued I believe they would have had Unicron making a deal with the Quints. I think the writers also thought that could play out well.

It was Primacron. in call of the primitives. but it only applies to the cartoon, in the marvel comics unicron and primus were cosmic entities. and unicron would have just waited till he got a new body and then he would eat the quints. its his personality. he only even worked with megs/galvs because he couldn't get to the matrix himself. it would be like us trying to remove an ants heart. only alot smaller.

thx Flare. That re-affirms my belief that they didn't serve unicron for the TV series. They weren't completely defenseless though with their enforcers, sharkticons and People's Court bailiff

Flare wrote:

SentinelA wrote:So according to Marvel's comics, would Vector Sigma be Primus' brain? hmm

In G1, Vector Sigma called itself Vector Sigma and it would state; "Before Cybertron was, I was!" It never said it was Primus. In other TF universes Cybertron is now the body of Primus, perhaps Vector Sigma is his Spark? Megatron told Rumble in the cartoon series that Vector Sigma was the Mega Computer deep within Cybertron; that gave them all life. But why call it Vector Sigma, if it's Primus's core or Spark? Does Vector Sigma still exist outside of G1/Marvel? In Bayverse I believe Vector Sigma became the All Spark or the Cube. So who did the Quintessons create?

In my opinion Vector Sigma is whats left of Primus.

Basically during Primus's last battle with Unicron, where the Fallen betrayed his creator, Primus was seriously damaged and near death.

The Quint's, who were near by watching the battle, swooped in and took over the planet.Not being able to revive Primus and control him they installed a virus like shell program into Primus's mainfraim computer which gave them access to all of Primus's database.

This shell program was then adapted into a artificial life life giving construct named Vector Sigma and used it as part of a mass producing factory for robots.

this is starting to get complicated -but it is interesting to read. Of all bots, I should know this, sharing the same computational matrix

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Flare wrote:

SentinelA wrote:So according to Marvel's comics, would Vector Sigma be Primus' brain? hmm

In G1, Vector Sigma called itself Vector Sigma and it would state; "Before Cybertron was, I was!" It never said it was Primus. In other TF universes Cybertron is now the body of Primus, perhaps Vector Sigma is his Spark? Megatron told Rumble in the cartoon series that Vector Sigma was the Mega Computer deep within Cybertron; that gave them all life. But why call it Vector Sigma, if it's Primus's core or Spark? Does Vector Sigma still exist outside of G1/Marvel? In Bayverse I believe Vector Sigma became the All Spark or the Cube. So who did the Quintessons create?

In my opinion Vector Sigma is whats left of Primus.

Basically during Primus's last battle with Unicron, where the Fallen betrayed his creator, Primus was seriously damaged and near death.

The Quint's, who were near by watching the battle, swooped in and took over the planet.Not being able to revive Primus and control him they installed a virus like shell program into Primus's mainfraim computer which gave them access to all of Primus's database.

This shell program was then adapted into a artificial life life giving construct named Vector Sigma and used it as part of a mass producing factory for robots.

canon, the final frontier....

quick, lets get sto a job at hasbro for all of 5 minutes so this can be printed on something and made official.

Name_Violation wrote:canon, the final frontier....

quick, lets get sto a job at hasbro for all of 5 minutes so this can be printed on something and made official.

You like it that much????