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I've been wondering about this ever since Beast Wars came out.Is there anything OFFICIALY official on this subject, considering the constant continuity abortion and reabortion?

According to schoolyard G1,where big brothers of play-pals had Street Machine articles on the latest wave of Transforming Car Toys and what-have-you, non-cartoon fluff of the day stated the TFs were robots built by an alien race that became extinct.The robotic shells lay dormant until an energy surge brought them back online.

The first G1's banded around the matrices, of which there were plenty,but one commanded all the rest,created only when Autobot survivors of Decepticon attacks on cities were left aimless and hiveless.Their new hive became the Autobot army.Up until then, the Autobots had to journey to the core of Cybertron and petition the Creator (Alpha Trion? Primus? I'm uncertain) to build each new TF according to the needs they described.They didn't always get exactly what they envisioned but each Transformer was a perfect creation for its' particular designation.

The G1 bots got fused into their altmodes, so if they could protoform before,they couldn't later.These Bots had the capability to install and remove Robot Brains/Memory chip type things into new bodies or uninhabited old bodies. I have the impression that the Robot Brains were invented before the Sparks were but am unsure.The Dinobots are the first Earth born Cybertronians/Cybertronian descendants and created by pure scientific replication.

The Pretenders were the first organic robots.I assume that these morphs were taken from a non-Cybertronian and non-Human species,so reproduction,if available,would have mimicked that species and therefore could be anything.

A line named the Action Masters first confirms the Transformers as truly alive.These Action figures sacrificed their abilities to Transform in order to become alive, and they had minicon type companions who transformed from animals to weaons,but could they reproduce?

The Beast Wars Saga first introduces transmutation,Fuzors and Protoforms (I think).In theory,the Cybertronian anatomy slowly re-remebers itself,and progressively converts from its' organic aspect to its' metal nature,slowly converting the Tfs into the Beast Machines and then the amalgamated anatomy R.I.D Cybertronians.Cloning,Sparks and Biometal become mainstay by now.

The Unicron Tricycle installs the creation myths of Unicron and Primus,introduces the Minicons ad confirms that some young Transformers are still around (Sideswipe,Hot Shot).So there is still a reproduction method somewhere.Old school program based upgrades are still around as well, as the gentle scientist,Jetfire,is now a bloodthirsty General.

The films confirm the presence of more births with the parentless twins, whilst the Decepticons are mass producing something they designate 'Hatchlings'. Are these Clones or test tube babies? The difference being one is grown from an egg in an artificial/foreign womb whilst the other is cultivated into a replica of the original genetic samples' donor in a vat.The insect hive/grapevine like layout of the nymph sacs is simply a reference to alien biological requirements so reveals nothing.

I'm assuming that TFs can divide at certain stages,(I don't know when, but guess right before they size up),generating an internal or external addition.

Internal could be triple changing ability, Soundwaves' Babies,a gestalt upgrade,a conversion from a material to an energy form (the 'transforming' virus in the 2007 movie).

External could be a twin (no comment), a drone (Omega Supreme Rocket section) a controllable sub-unit (Primes' Trailer,G1 Ratchet & Ironhides' warbuggies, Energon Landmines' lil' tank Crane),a plug-out (Turbomasters' turbines,Rotormasters' Rotors) or a plug-in (a Headmasters' body section,G1 Ultra Magnus' trailer)

These would somehow gather mass/weight until it's their turn to size up, then either upgrade themselves or continue to divide.(eg-the extra Tfs in G1 Primes' trailer).

Any thoughts? Any official news? I consider cartoons more official than comics, butthat's just me, and I do want to know what the Comics have said on the subject.

Thanks in advance to all replies.

No, none of that is right. Like at all. Not even remotely close. Where are you getting your information from? Who ever told you that was blatantly lying to you, or was just making stuff up because they know nothing about TF lore. Though I don't think we should be having this discussion because it can't possibly end well.

Skice wrote:No, none of that is right. Like at all. Not even remotely close. Where are you getting your information from? Who ever told you that was blatantly lying to you, or was just making stuff up because they know nothing about TF lore. Though I don't think we should be having this discussion because it can't possibly end well.

It will all end in tears, booze, blood, and large bags of Cheetos.

Dude, Check on Tfwiki . net to get the real info on this. And also... The Autobot army is a hive? Uhhh. Yeah.

JetOptimus23 wrote:

Skice wrote:No, none of that is right. Like at all. Not even remotely close. Where are you getting your information from? Who ever told you that was blatantly lying to you, or was just making stuff up because they know nothing about TF lore. Though I don't think we should be having this discussion because it can't possibly end well.

It will all end in tears, booze, blood, and large bags of Cheetos.

Dude, Check on Tfwiki . net to get the real info on this. And also... The Autobot army is a hive? Uhhh. Yeah.

Okay,1a:Some could be lies: regarding the schoolyard stuff,easily- I wouldn't be surprised.

1b)Some of it IS right,or was before it got rewritten the millionth time.I was there.

2) Wiki is good, will do.Thanks.

3)Hive is a definition to try and explain something that doesn't have an exact replica on Earth.

Okay, so I've checked Wiki and uncovered some lies already: This guy who had moved to our area from the UK had kept saying he had 5 Diaclones, who were the pilots of the G1's but only available in England and the UK. He accused another of my schoolyard friends of stealing one and they'd gotten into a nasty fight.Heads opened on concrete and everything.

There's stuff that Wiki doesn't mention,tho, or at least I haven't seen yet.I don't see Action Masters mentioned anywhere, tho I owned a couple, and the original fluff said the Autobots came from different cities."Autobot City" was the last standing.

I'll keep looking.Thanks again.

orriezaros wrote:There's stuff that Wiki doesn't mention,tho, or at least I haven't seen yet.I don't see Action Masters mentioned anywhere

Actually, they are. Look up 'Action masters'. Obviously, i guess.

Skice wrote:No, none of that is right. Like at all. Not even remotely close. Where are you getting your information from? Who ever told you that was blatantly lying to you, or was just making stuff up because they know nothing about TF lore. Though I don't think we should be having this discussion because it can't possibly end well.

I've checked Wiki and it says 'Right from the beginning the G1 cartoon contradicted Budiansky's backstories'-which is where the original G1 fluff came from-so there's no confirmation or indication I was lied to at all,tho I will not even imply that you're uninformed as It seems everybody has a reality based on their entry point into this hobby, because it gets rewritten so often.
Instead,I will go back to get all my facts straight and sort out a reality that works for me.

I looked up Diaclones rather than transformers which also states I wasn't lied to, as I mistakenly (and wrongly) declared earlier.There were drivers after all.I'd been shown all 5 that my friend had but was assuming an hour ago they were Zoid pilots.(Sorry,Russel).

I found Action Masters just for the record,so I wasn't blatantly lying to myself.

So, considering I entered TF involvement in week 1 of Generation 1, my information is not only seriously outdated (and superceded) but according to Wiki was rewritten by G1 episode 1.

The conclusion is that Michael Bay isn't the only one who changed the standing Transformers story because he felt like it.Even the writers of the G1 cartoon and comics did that.

Anything I try to find out about TF reproduction can be rewritten in a wink,so thank you for replying but I'm not going to keep looking in earnest,tho I still want to know what's been said and done.
I'm converting some Rotf bots into females and wanted to know if and what the anatomy might need that's interesting for display smalltalk and so on.
I know the movie ones hatch and the cartoon ones have Robot Brains,so that'll do me for now.

To fill d gap,until I find the truth,I will stick with my own musings regarding Transformers dividing capabilities as it's been perfectly okay for any Joe average to stick his arm into the storyline up to the elbow and twist anything prior into a web of **** whenever he feels like it.

I will declare this web of **** canon because anybody can, then immediately declare it superceded because anybody can.

Once the Fanbase is done fighting over its' purity and original appeal,it will be rebooted by a comic somewhere, and Hasbro will eventually make a classics version of it once it's gained enough popularity.

Later, Takara will make a Masterpiece version.

Then there will be recolors of more webs of ****.

One will get a planet key.

Then there'll be a computer game...

..and an origins series...

..and then everybody's webs of **** will be reformatted into power crust combiners...!!

...and then the gravity blots will come...!!!

Name_Violation wrote:http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Reproduction

Thank you, Name_Violation, the site is perfect. After initial server trouble I found some great stuff to work with.

Regards!