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Shadowman wrote:His arms are thinner than Samus's and that freaks me out...

Amelie wrote:They could always do a new design for Ridley, its hardly like Samus herself has remained the same since day one.

Shadowman wrote:Actually no, both of them have remained largely the same since their creation.

I don't wanna pick any bones here, but..... even here she goes from buxom (GB) to female boxer (SNES) to Athletic (GBA). Samus has gone through enough "alterations" to allow Ridley's arms to get a little thicker and his body smaller - its hardly like the characters in SSBB are even to scale anyways.

SSBB also uses only specially created character models, tailored for the game engine. Models may look similar, but they have to be standardised. Also - did you know that Shadow's graphic (unlike most Assist Trophies or BG characters) has as much detailing as a character?

And to return to actual Smash Bros. discussion - I prefered Melee. The combat feels much more balanced and polished.

Shadowman wrote:The only real difference between those is her outfits and the art style used.

But still, resizing Ridley is pointless because he's supposed to be this giant dragon-like monster. Resizing the Pokemon or Olimar is one thing, but every piece of Metroid fiction he's been in puts emphasis on Ridley's size. Even Brawl. Being shrunken down kills his whole giant-scary-monster appeal, and then he's just an underweight human-sized pterodactyl.

JetOptimus23 wrote:Ridley is awesome, but i must agree with Shadowman on this one. Ridley's spindly, bony body just doesn't work as Samus sized figure. It would just look a bit silly. They were originally going to have Ridley as an assist trophy before they decided to have him in the SSE. His data can still be found by hacking the game.

On your points on Olimar, he's never compared to a normal Human in his games like Ridley is. You could easily imagine him as a normal-sized guy. With kirby it's the same.

Evil_the_Nub wrote:They could go with his design in Other M, he was bulkier in that and wouldn't look as weird scaled down. Or instead of Ridley why not Dark Samus? I still want Megaman too, with an ability copying power similar to Kirby's

Evil_the_Nub wrote:

JetOptimus23 wrote:Ridley is awesome, but i must agree with Shadowman on this one. Ridley's spindly, bony body just doesn't work as Samus sized figure. It would just look a bit silly. They were originally going to have Ridley as an assist trophy before they decided to have him in the SSE. His data can still be found by hacking the game.

On your points on Olimar, he's never compared to a normal Human in his games like Ridley is. You could easily imagine him as a normal-sized guy. With kirby it's the same.

They could go with his design in Other M, he was bulkier in that and wouldn't look as weird scaled down. Or instead of Ridley why not Dark Samus? I still want Megaman too, with an ability copying power similar to Kirby's

Shadowman wrote:

Evil_the_Nub wrote:They could go with his design in Other M, he was bulkier in that and wouldn't look as weird scaled down. Or instead of Ridley why not Dark Samus? I still want Megaman too, with an ability copying power similar to Kirby's

I haven't played Other M yet, but I doubt that was Ridley, unless he has the ability to reverse his entire life cycle. Did they even show him in his final form? The Metroid Wiki doesn't have anything past his third form, the one you're describing, but that's basically a not-yet-finish Ridley.

JetOptimus23 wrote:

Evil_the_Nub wrote:

JetOptimus23 wrote:Ridley is awesome, but i must agree with Shadowman on this one. Ridley's spindly, bony body just doesn't work as Samus sized figure. It would just look a bit silly. They were originally going to have Ridley as an assist trophy before they decided to have him in the SSE. His data can still be found by hacking the game.

On your points on Olimar, he's never compared to a normal Human in his games like Ridley is. You could easily imagine him as a normal-sized guy. With kirby it's the same.

They could go with his design in Other M, he was bulkier in that and wouldn't look as weird scaled down. Or instead of Ridley why not Dark Samus? I still want Megaman too, with an ability copying power similar to Kirby's

But wouldn't Dark Samus just be a duplicate fighter? Does she/it even have any unique moves?

Evil_the_Nub wrote:Spoiler! It was a clone of Ridley. They uses some of his DNA they got off of Samus' suit. His early life stage looked like a Furby so they didn't know he was dangerous until he started attacking people. He went through a couple of metamorphoses and eventually grew into his final form.

Evil_the_Nub wrote:Or instead of Ridley why not Dark Samus?

Noideaforaname wrote:Depending on how soon a next Smash Bros game comes out (i.e. before the next Metroid game), it's likely they'd use the latest version of Ridley, like they did with Ganondorf, Link, and Zelda.
While I still think playable Ridley could work, I can understand all the points against him. Let's just agree to disagree and move on.

Evil_the_Nub wrote:Or instead of Ridley why not Dark Samus?

I'm surprised there wasn't at least an alternate costume for Dark Samus. There was "Dark Link", "Dixie" Diddy Kong, "Wario" Mario, "Waluigi" Luigi, and a bunch more 'cameo' type color swaps; And Dark Samus 'starred' in two recent games (three if you count its role as Metroid Prime)

JetOptimus23 wrote:

Noideaforaname wrote:Depending on how soon a next Smash Bros game comes out (i.e. before the next Metroid game), it's likely they'd use the latest version of Ridley, like they did with Ganondorf, Link, and Zelda.
While I still think playable Ridley could work, I can understand all the points against him. Let's just agree to disagree and move on.

Evil_the_Nub wrote:Or instead of Ridley why not Dark Samus?

I'm surprised there wasn't at least an alternate costume for Dark Samus. There was "Dark Link", "Dixie" Diddy Kong, "Wario" Mario, "Waluigi" Luigi, and a bunch more 'cameo' type color swaps; And Dark Samus 'starred' in two recent games (three if you count its role as Metroid Prime)

Well, we do have Dark Suit Samus from "Corruption". And don't forget Dark Toon Link.

Shadowman wrote:

JetOptimus23 wrote:

Noideaforaname wrote:Depending on how soon a next Smash Bros game comes out (i.e. before the next Metroid game), it's likely they'd use the latest version of Ridley, like they did with Ganondorf, Link, and Zelda.
While I still think playable Ridley could work, I can understand all the points against him. Let's just agree to disagree and move on.

Evil_the_Nub wrote:Or instead of Ridley why not Dark Samus?

I'm surprised there wasn't at least an alternate costume for Dark Samus. There was "Dark Link", "Dixie" Diddy Kong, "Wario" Mario, "Waluigi" Luigi, and a bunch more 'cameo' type color swaps; And Dark Samus 'starred' in two recent games (three if you count its role as Metroid Prime)

Well, we do have Dark Suit Samus from "Corruption". And don't forget Dark Toon Link.

Samus doesn't get a Dark Suit in Corruption. I think you mean the Phazon Suit from MP1, black and gray with a red visor and red details.

Shadowman wrote:

JetOptimus23 wrote:Samus doesn't get a Dark Suit in Corruption. I think you mean the Phazon Suit from MP1, black and gray with a red visor and red details.

Ahh. That's what i meant. i guess that could count...?

Many of Dark Samus's abilities are similar to Samus's, though some abilities are not shared between the two. Her basic beam fires a scattered burst of Phazon, she may charge this to fire a sustained beam of Phazon. Dark Samus can fire a beam that can encase her target in Phazon, similar to the Ice Beam. She has a form of the Boost Ball that she can allow her to boost far longer than Samus is capable of doing. She can generate a shield that is impervious to all attacks, save blasts of Phazon; she will often use this when Samus fires Missiles at her. She also can become invisible.

After her defeats on Aether, Dark Samus gained ever more abilities, some absorbed from the Phazon-corrupted Hunters that Samus defeated. She is capable of generating Echoes of herself that may attack while Dark Samus absorbs energy to heal herself. She and one of the Echoes can simultaneously fire a sustained beam while spinning. She may also spin without firing a beam. Dark Samus is also capable of creating large pillars of ice and generate shock waves.

JetOptimus23 wrote:They could put Scott Pilgrim in. Maybe Ramona, Gideon, and one of the Evil Exes too. With the new Video Game, they could make it work. What do you think?

Duke of Luns wrote:Bub and Bob for Smash 4!!

Praxus Prime wrote:MegaMan
(His Final Smash could be when he combines with Rush to fly around and shoot his fists)

Shadowman wrote:

Praxus Prime wrote:MegaMan
(His Final Smash could be when he combines with Rush to fly around and shoot his fists)

Show of hands, who here was surprised when MegaMan wasn't in Brawl? When they said there would be three third-party characters, I think it's a safe bet that we were all expecting MegaMan. I mean, nearly all of his games have been on Nintendo consoles, and Capcom loves crossovers.