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Okay, so it's set after Age of Extinction and Fall of Cybertron. Interesting.

Though how the crew of the Ark and the Nemesis will make a return for Rise of the Dark Spark will be the question. Unless it'll take place behind the scenes of Fall of Cybertron, before they go into the unstable Space Bridge.

Interesting to hear about the game taking place after both AOE and FOC. I wonder if by crossing paths with each other the Cybertronians from the Cybertron games take inspiration from the movie TFs and reformat into what they look like in Prime? It's a streach I know but still I can't help but wonder if this is another way to bridge both FOC and TFP.

Also if the game has the same features like WFC and FOC wehn it comes to customizing characters and using them in multiplayer that'll be cool. If you can indeed play 40 different characters I hope we'll see WFC Arcee and Slipstream in it as well as the sisters from ROTF.

Why the change in developer, though? I thought that High Moon hit it out of the park!

Did I miss something?

I hate hearing High Moon didn't get to keep creating fantastic Transformers games like WFC and FOC for us Also, the movieverse mash-up concept killed any interest I may have had left in this. Universe crossover versus games don't sound appealing to me. On the positive side, that is money saved towards all the greatbots revealed at Toy Fair

DecepticonFinishline wrote:Why the change in developer, though? I thought that High Moon hit it out of the park!

Did I miss something?

Because High Moon Studios is no more.

Sabrblade wrote:

DecepticonFinishline wrote:Why the change in developer, though? I thought that High Moon hit it out of the park!

Did I miss something?

Because High Moon Studios is no more.

High Moon Studios still exists. They did cut a bunch of staff after Deadpool, but from what I read, that was mostly staff that worked on that game.

i just realized something... this game idea alone ruins hasbro's idea of the Aligned continuity being separate from the primary multiverse that we are so used to. Because if that was the case, the Movie Transformers universe and the WFC/Prime universe would not be able to cross over in the first place.

DoctorOblivian wrote:i just realized something... this game idea alone ruins hasbro's idea of the Aligned continuity being separate from the primary multiverse that we are so used to. Because if that was the case, the Movie Transformers universe and the WFC/Prime universe would not be able to cross over in the first place.

this does mess everything up doesnt it. it really makes absolutely no sense at all

dreadwing95 wrote:

DoctorOblivian wrote:i just realized something... this game idea alone ruins hasbro's idea of the Aligned continuity being separate from the primary multiverse that we are so used to. Because if that was the case, the Movie Transformers universe and the WFC/Prime universe would not be able to cross over in the first place.

this does mess everything up doesnt it. it really makes absolutely no sense at all

actually, i for one am glad it screws with everything. granted it breaks more than it fixes, but i have always been partial to the fact the Unicron Primus and the thirteen are ALL multiversal singularities. The whole aligned thing ruined that, that the ALIGNED version of all these characters where separate entities. thanks to this game though, they are back to being the same individuals.

DoctorOblivian wrote:

dreadwing95 wrote:

DoctorOblivian wrote:i just realized something... this game idea alone ruins hasbro's idea of the Aligned continuity being separate from the primary multiverse that we are so used to. Because if that was the case, the Movie Transformers universe and the WFC/Prime universe would not be able to cross over in the first place.

this does mess everything up doesnt it. it really makes absolutely no sense at all

actually, i for one am glad it screws with everything. granted it breaks more than it fixes, but i have always been partial to the fact the Unicron Primus and the thirteen are ALL multiversal singularities. The whole aligned thing ruined that, that the ALIGNED version of all these characters where separate entities. thanks to this game though, they are back to being the same individuals.

It doesn't mess up anything. Just because the Aligned continuity is outside of the multiverse doesn't mean that travel between the two is impossible. Several characters have already crossed over between the two, with Lio Convoy leaving the Multiverse to go into the Aligned Continuity as Leo Prime, and Aligned Slipstream having come into the Multiverse from the Aligned continuity. TransTech Rhinox even got a glimpse of the Aligned Continuity, which he did not recognize as any known (to the TransTech) universe, noting how it was farther away than any other universe he's glimpsed at.

And with the revelations given in the Covenant of Primus book, the Aligned continuity can't be inside the Multiverse since Megatronus wasn't evil (unlike The Fallen of the mutliverse), Alpha Trion and Optimus Prime were members of the Thirteen (which is impossible for any of the many Multiversal versions of them), and Logos Prime is missing from the Aligned Thirteen.

Thus, it's better to consider there being two different groups of the Thirteen (one Multiversal and one Aligned) instead of just one set.

Sabrblade wrote:

DoctorOblivian wrote:

dreadwing95 wrote:

DoctorOblivian wrote:i just realized something... this game idea alone ruins hasbro's idea of the Aligned continuity being separate from the primary multiverse that we are so used to. Because if that was the case, the Movie Transformers universe and the WFC/Prime universe would not be able to cross over in the first place.

this does mess everything up doesnt it. it really makes absolutely no sense at all

actually, i for one am glad it screws with everything. granted it breaks more than it fixes, but i have always been partial to the fact the Unicron Primus and the thirteen are ALL multiversal singularities. The whole aligned thing ruined that, that the ALIGNED version of all these characters where separate entities. thanks to this game though, they are back to being the same individuals.

It doesn't mess up anything. Just because the Aligned continuity is outside of the multiverse doesn't mean that travel between the two is impossible. Several characters have already crossed over between the two, with Lio Convoy leaving the Multiverse to go into the Aligned Continuity as Leo Prime, and Aligned Slipstream having come into the Multiverse from the Aligned continuity. TransTech Rhinox even got a glimpse of the Aligned Continuity, which he did not recognize as any known (to the TransTech) universe, noting how it was farther away than any other universe he's glimpsed at.

And with the revelations given in the Covenant of Primus book, the Aligned continuity can't be inside the Multiverse since Megatronus wasn't evil (unlike The Fallen of the mutliverse), Alpha Trion and Optimus Prime were members of the Thirteen (which is impossible for any of the many Multiversal versions of them), and Logos Prime is missing from the Aligned Thirteen.

Thus, it's better to consider there being two different groups of the Thirteen (one Multiversal and one Aligned) instead of just one set.

well then now it just feels like a cop out in that case. if they really wanted to make aligned separate from the multiverse then it should have been off limits for anyone doing multiverse related lore. Also wasn't Alpha Trion already confirmed be be a member of the thirteen before any of the aligned shenanigans? like, we knew he was one of the thirteen way back when Animated was still airing. I think anyway. don't quote me on that.

DoctorOblivian wrote:well then now it just feels like a cop out in that case. if they really wanted to make aligned separate from the multiverse then it should have been off limits for anyone doing multiverse related lore.

How do you mean?

DoctorOblivian wrote:Also wasn't Alpha Trion already confirmed be be a member of the thirteen before any of the aligned shenanigans? like, we knew he was one of the thirteen way back when Animated was still airing. I think anyway. don't quote me on that.

Nope. By the time Animated was going, Alpha Trion had a Shattered Glass counterpart made, negating any Multiversal Alpha Trion from being a 13er.

Sabrblade wrote:

DoctorOblivian wrote:well then now it just feels like a cop out in that case. if they really wanted to make aligned separate from the multiverse then it should have been off limits for anyone doing multiverse related lore.

How do you mean?

Meh, its just personal preference really. But i feel that the fact that the Multiverse in any way shape or form CAN even acknowledge the existence of Aligned at all, let alone allow travel between them, makes it not so special or separate anymore does it? It's supposed to be something SO far out, something SO separate that it needs its own incarnations of Unicron and Primus, you know, the gods created at the dawn of reality itself (that i believe are actually catagorized as Omniversal singularities if i'm not mistaken, or at least Unicron was at some point by someone) Yet Rhinox can find it just by sitting behind his computer? It just doesn't feel right. By all logic, Aligned SHOULD now technically BE part of the multiverse if it can be interacted with BY the multiverse regardless of who says what, and with Rise of the Dark Spark tearing down those walls so easily? I call BS on the whole thing.

DoctorOblivian wrote:Meh, its just personal preference really. But i feel that the fact that the Multiverse in any way shape or form CAN even acknowledge the existence of Aligned at all, let alone allow travel between them, makes it not so special or separate anymore does it? It's supposed to be something SO far out, something SO separate that it needs its own incarnations of Unicron and Primus, you know, the gods created at the dawn of reality itself (that i believe are actually catagorized as Omniversal singularities if i'm not mistaken, or at least Unicron was at some point by someone) Yet Rhinox can find it just by sitting behind his computer? It just doesn't feel right. By all logic, Aligned SHOULD now technically BE part of the multiverse if it can be interacted with BY the multiverse regardless of who says what, and with Rise of the Dark Spark tearing down those walls so easily? I call BS on the whole thing.

I get what you're saying, and can partly agree in some ways. Though, I liked how Rhinox's peculiar acknowledgement of it made clear of its specialness since he didn't just stumble upon it easily. Rather, his viewing into it was more like a fluke and extraordinarily brief since he lost the signal before he could catalog it. His spelling out just how alien it was to him (he who sees all worlds) does help note its uniqueness.

Though, as for traveling between the two, we actually don't really know how it was done in the two cases that we know about. For Leo Prime, we're just told that he "suddenly appeared" in that dimension, without going into the specifics of his dimension-hopping methods.

For Slipstream, we're not even told that she did dimenson-hop, but based on the fact that she's seen in Axiom Nexus (a place known for frequent dimension-hopping) combined with her bio pointing out who she is, we can put the pieces together. Only thing remains a mystery of her dimension-hopping is the dimension-hopping itself.

So, for all we know, the methods through which these two transcended the multiversal border could have been the most unorthordox, most unheard of methods ever concocted.

Sabrblade wrote:

DoctorOblivian wrote:Meh, its just personal preference really. But i feel that the fact that the Multiverse in any way shape or form CAN even acknowledge the existence of Aligned at all, let alone allow travel between them, makes it not so special or separate anymore does it? It's supposed to be something SO far out, something SO separate that it needs its own incarnations of Unicron and Primus, you know, the gods created at the dawn of reality itself (that i believe are actually catagorized as Omniversal singularities if i'm not mistaken, or at least Unicron was at some point by someone) Yet Rhinox can find it just by sitting behind his computer? It just doesn't feel right. By all logic, Aligned SHOULD now technically BE part of the multiverse if it can be interacted with BY the multiverse regardless of who says what, and with Rise of the Dark Spark tearing down those walls so easily? I call BS on the whole thing.

I get what you're saying, and can partly agree in some ways. Though, I liked how Rhinox's peculiar acknowledgement of it made clear of its specialness since he didn't just stumble upon it easily. Rather, his viewing into it was more like a fluke and extraordinarily brief since he lost the signal before he could catalog it. His spelling out just how alien it was to him (he who sees all worlds) does help note its uniqueness.

Though, as for traveling between the two, we actually don't really know how it was done in the two cases that we know about. For Leo Prime, we're just told that he "suddenly appeared" in that dimension, without going into the specifics of his dimension-hopping methods.

For Slipstream, we're not even told that she did dimenson-hop, but based on the fact that she's seen in Axiom Nexus (a place known for frequent dimension-hopping) combined with her bio pointing out who she is, we can put the pieces together. Only thing remains a mystery of her dimension-hopping is the dimension-hopping itself.

So, for all we know, the methods through which these two transcended the multiversal border could have been the most unorthordox, most unheard of methods ever concocted.

All very true and i agree on fact that the methods on which it happened to each of these characters is unknown helps reinforce their own contained instances, but the point still stands, i feel that the fact that these things happened AT ALL makes Aligned not so special anymore.

We'll have to wait and see how things go down in Rise of the Dark Spark, hopefully seeing how this game will be the most prevalent of the multiverse/aligned crossings, HOW the game does it will either help or hurt the "separate multiverse" thing hasbro has been trying to do with Aligned. If the universe hopping is the result of something as simple as a space bridge malfunction or the meddling super being like Unicron then I'm gona just call straight out that Aligned being separate from the multiverse is complete BS regardless of what hasbro says.

Also it wouldn't really hurt too much by being part of the multiverse, things contradict themselves as it is to begin with. Adding aligned wouldn't be too much of a stretch. The multiverse Fallen's history is something to be said for that! In which case evil Alpha Trion as part of the 13 would fit right in! lol.

DoctorOblivian wrote:In which case evil Alpha Trion as part of the 13 would fit right in! lol.

No it wouldn't. Both that and SG Optimus Prime go against the very nature of Multiversal Singularities, in that Mult Sings do not and can not have SG counterparts, as it is simply an impossibility.

And Logos Prime is a member of the Multiversal 13, but isn't in the Aligned 13.

Who cares about all that aligned and multiverse crap. The most important thing is that the GAME is FUN. Highmoon made some really fun games, with single player modes that were entertaining, but the real fun was always online, whether it be co op, or multiplayer vs. What Highmoon FAILED at BRUTALLY is their terrible online support for dealing with hackers and cheaters. Actually, they had other issues like frame rate limits and other glitches, but community apps fixed most of those issues.

If there is one message I'd want to convey to the developers: DON'T SCREW US WITH ONLINE SUPPORT. With how terrible BF4 effed the gaming community (with single player no less), this had better not start becoming a trend with selling half-broken games, otherwise you better believe i'm going to stop buying legit copies and just torrent the hell outa pirated copies.

With all that said, it sounds like its going to be cool, but I don't think anyone can tell just yet. Got to play it or see gameplay vids first.

MINDVVIPE wrote:Who cares about all that aligned and multiverse crap.

Apparently, DoctorOblivian and myself do since we're having some fun discussing it.

Pardon us for being nerds on a nerd-based forum.

Sabrblade wrote:

MINDVVIPE wrote:Who cares about all that aligned and multiverse crap.

Apparently, DoctorOblivian and myself do since we're having some fun discussing it.

I'd join in the fun, if my head wasn't hurting from precalculus right now.

Guise. Wayforward are making a transformers game. This is huge.

Yeah, we may have lost High Moon Studios, but we gained what might be the best pixel-art game studio in the gaming biz.

They have serious gaming chops. Evidence: Ducktales Remastered, Shantae series, double dragon neon, bloodrayne betrayel, contra 4. The list is long and impressive. Do a little research and buy a couple of their games. You will be impressed. Heck, I'm now going to have to buy a 3ds for this.

Maybe they should have used a picture that showed Prime's feet not clipping into the ground.

kaijuguy19 wrote:If you can indeed play 40 different characters I hope we'll see WFC Arcee and Slipstream in it as well as the sisters from ROTF.

OMP, that's the best idea this week!

DoctorOblivian wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

DoctorOblivian wrote:Meh, its just personal preference really. But i feel that the fact that the Multiverse in any way shape or form CAN even acknowledge the existence of Aligned at all, let alone allow travel between them, makes it not so special or separate anymore does it? It's supposed to be something SO far out, something SO separate that it needs its own incarnations of Unicron and Primus, you know, the gods created at the dawn of reality itself (that i believe are actually catagorized as Omniversal singularities if i'm not mistaken, or at least Unicron was at some point by someone) Yet Rhinox can find it just by sitting behind his computer? It just doesn't feel right. By all logic, Aligned SHOULD now technically BE part of the multiverse if it can be interacted with BY the multiverse regardless of who says what, and with Rise of the Dark Spark tearing down those walls so easily? I call BS on the whole thing.

I get what you're saying, and can partly agree in some ways. Though, I liked how Rhinox's peculiar acknowledgement of it made clear of its specialness since he didn't just stumble upon it easily. Rather, his viewing into it was more like a fluke and extraordinarily brief since he lost the signal before he could catalog it. His spelling out just how alien it was to him (he who sees all worlds) does help note its uniqueness.

Though, as for traveling between the two, we actually don't really know how it was done in the two cases that we know about. For Leo Prime, we're just told that he "suddenly appeared" in that dimension, without going into the specifics of his dimension-hopping methods.

For Slipstream, we're not even told that she did dimenson-hop, but based on the fact that she's seen in Axiom Nexus (a place known for frequent dimension-hopping) combined with her bio pointing out who she is, we can put the pieces together. Only thing remains a mystery of her dimension-hopping is the dimension-hopping itself.

So, for all we know, the methods through which these two transcended the multiversal border could have been the most unorthordox, most unheard of methods ever concocted.

All very true and i agree on fact that the methods on which it happened to each of these characters is unknown helps reinforce their own contained instances, but the point still stands, i feel that the fact that these things happened AT ALL makes Aligned not so special anymore.

We'll have to wait and see how things go down in Rise of the Dark Spark, hopefully seeing how this game will be the most prevalent of the multiverse/aligned crossings, HOW the game does it will either help or hurt the "separate multiverse" thing hasbro has been trying to do with Aligned. If the universe hopping is the result of something as simple as a space bridge malfunction or the meddling super being like Unicron then I'm gona just call straight out that Aligned being separate from the multiverse is complete BS regardless of what hasbro says.

Also it wouldn't really hurt too much by being part of the multiverse, things contradict themselves as it is to begin with. Adding aligned wouldn't be too much of a stretch. The multiverse Fallen's history is something to be said for that! In which case evil Alpha Trion as part of the 13 would fit right in! lol.

Boy am I happy that I didn't read the comics.

I'd be so furious over a game that I already really like because of the "story inconsistencies"

I think some High Moon dudes/dudettes must be involved. They use FOC models and probably gameplay as well. So it won't be to different from FOC (gameplay wise)... hopefully



On a side note: The story isn't correct, I hate this "game"
aaaah, amusement.

#Sideways# wrote:

Maybe they should have used a picture that showed Prime's feet not clipping into the ground.

Isn't that place from Metal Gear Solid?

I love your signature. LOL!