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Posted: **Sat Sep 29, 2018 5:36 pm**

ZeroWolf wrote:I don't know that reads to me like it was always the plan to have power of the primes line to be short, and to almost be a "best of" feel.
Guess we'll never know the full truth though. Imagine the outcry though if the Prime Masters were always designed to only have eight at normal retail

Yeah, thats how i read it too. It helps us know why its shorter than the others but it doesnt give any credence to the fan theory that it was cut short.

I am still way more curious about what happened with those TR box sets.

Posted: **Sat Sep 29, 2018 8:35 pm**

On a different subject, I just had a belated thought. Has anyone done Starscream combined with the Combaticon limbs?

Posted: **Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:39 pm**

Wolfman Jake wrote:
fenrir72 wrote:
Munkky wrote:I have almost everything I want from the Power of the Primes toyline now, the only thing I still want is the Throne of the Primes Optimal Optimus (which I've pre-ordered from In Demand Toys) and possibly maybe Repugnus. So here's a quick summary of each figure I got from PotPie and my thoughts on the line overall:

In the end, I'm not 100% satisfied with PotPie as a toyline, while it did give us some good toys, there are a LOT of thing I would have done differently (releasing those cancelled Leader Prima and Megatronus toys for one thing...). I'd say it's my least favourite of the three Prime Wars toylines, but that's mainly because Combiner Wars and Titans Return were so great.

90% agree with you.

Nitpicking on my part

1. Optimus. Hate the hollow shins of Orion and the unpainted fist of the "Optimus" armor. WTF? Rodimus got painted fist and Optimus none?

2. Dinobots. I haven't transformed them yet to Volcanicus. Wish the combiner gimmick was ditched and all of them were kept voyager sized.

3. Elita and S/S feet, too big.

4. Why no Diver/Waverider Primemaster? The 'con PM shells outnumber the Autobots

5. Wished Metalhawk was painted gold. (Inner bot)

6. P/CP Voyager size preferably ( I know he's just the same sized as the original (hence nitpicking )

I've got a few nitpicks for your nitpicks!

Getting all give Dinobots at voyager scale is just never going to happen. That's too many voyager slots, which are already very limited in any Transformers line, dedicated to one group. Hasbro wants variety on the shelves, so turning Swoop, Snarl, Slag, and Sludge into Deluxe combiner limbs makes a lot of logistical sense for Hasbro.

I'm assuming that you wanted the Prime Master inside the Metalhawk decoy armor to be painted gold, right, not the decoy armor itself, which is pretty much G1 acurate the way it is. The Prime Master inside is supposed to be the spark of Vector Prime, so I guess he's blue, not gold. If you want something for the inner robot of G1 Metalhawk, there's always the Titans Return version from the Chaos on Velocitron box set. Pair him together with the Power of the Primes Metalhawk Prime Master. You can even put TR Metalhawk's Titan Master in the PotP Metalhawk decoy armor and kick Vector Prime to the curb (or just find another use for him). In fact, I wish the Pretenders had been done as such, with Deluxe (or Voyager) sized inner robots, with Titan Master heads, that fit inside decoy armor based on the G1 outer shells, that convert into weapons to be held by the proper robots.

Why would you want Punch/Counterpunch to be Voyager sized? That's out of scale with the G1 cartoon AND with the rest of the toys. He turns into a car, so he should be a Deluxe figure like ALL THE OTHER CARS in Generations. He wouldn't be a very good "spy" if he turned into a GIGANTIC sports car that's not even street legal.

1. Metalhawk issues. I do own the original lost art of die-cast PretenDAH Metalhawk. It would have been a great freebie to have an inscale anime version pf him

2. Dinobots for me, well, the combining gimmick was just plain forced.

3. P/CP. Size, though never implemented in the anime but for the original toy, Punch was just a deluxe sized bot while Counterpunch was "supposed" to be a Voyager or a somewhat different scale to differentiate him. Check how the original G1 was "mistransformed".

Punch mode should have appeared the way G1 Jazz was in robot mode. as a 'con, Counterpunch was supposed to be taller.

Again, nitpicking on my part

Posted: **Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:44 pm**

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:On a different subject, I just had a belated thought. Has anyone done Starscream combined with the Combaticon limbs?

I feel like I might have possibly seen such a pic on another site, but I can't quite recall for absolute certainty.

Posted: **Sat Sep 29, 2018 9:57 pm**

fenrir72 wrote:3. P/CP. Size, though never implemented in the anime but for the original toy, Punch was just a deluxe sized bot while Counterpunch was "supposed" to be a Voyager or a somewhat different scale to differentiate him. Check how the original G1 was "mistransformed".

I still don't understand what you're referring to. Is this some sort of discarded idea from the R&D of Punch-Counterpunch from the G1 days? Forget not being implemented in the cartoon/anime, it wasn't implemented in the toy either, so why would they do that now? That's a very weird nitpick that a modern version of a G1 toy didn't incorporated an aborted and never produced idea from over 30 years before.

Posted: **Sat Sep 29, 2018 10:32 pm**

Wolfman Jake wrote:
fenrir72 wrote:3. P/CP. Size, though never implemented in the anime but for the original toy, Punch was just a deluxe sized bot while Counterpunch was "supposed" to be a Voyager or a somewhat different scale to differentiate him. Check how the original G1 was "mistransformed".

I still don't understand what you're referring to. Is this some sort of discarded idea from the R&D of Punch-Counterpunch from the G1 days? Forget not being implemented in the cartoon/anime, it wasn't implemented in the toy either, so why would they do that now? That's a very weird nitpick that a modern version of a G1 toy didn't incorporated an aborted and never produced idea from over 30 years before.

The Punch form of the G1 Double Spy toy was to supposed to have a different leg transformation, leaving the rear at a 90 degree angle and flipping out Counterpunch's feet, instead of sliding back and folding it all out. See the inset:

With this transformation, Punch is the same height as the traditional Autobot Cars, with Counterpunch the size of the larger Decepticons. This is shown on his instruction art and box art.

Funnily enough, this is the only instance in which Hasbro actually cared about scale :lol:

Posted: **Sat Sep 29, 2018 11:40 pm**

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Wolfman Jake wrote:
fenrir72 wrote:3. P/CP. Size, though never implemented in the anime but for the original toy, Punch was just a deluxe sized bot while Counterpunch was "supposed" to be a Voyager or a somewhat different scale to differentiate him. Check how the original G1 was "mistransformed".

I still don't understand what you're referring to. Is this some sort of discarded idea from the R&D of Punch-Counterpunch from the G1 days? Forget not being implemented in the cartoon/anime, it wasn't implemented in the toy either, so why would they do that now? That's a very weird nitpick that a modern version of a G1 toy didn't incorporated an aborted and never produced idea from over 30 years before.

The Punch form of the G1 Double Spy toy was to supposed to have a different leg transformation, leaving the rear at a 90 degree angle and flipping out Counterpunch's feet, instead of sliding back and folding it all out. See the inset:

With this transformation, Punch is the same height as the traditional Autobot Cars, with Counterpunch the size of the larger Decepticons. This is shown on his instruction art and box art.

Funnily enough, this is the only instance in which Hasbro actually cared about scale

Somebody probably thought better of that idea, luckily, as that alternate configuration for Punch looks terrible. The proportions are ridiculous. I'm glad cooler heads prevailed. Still, why would anyone want PotP Punch-Counterpunch to be "Voyager" sized to emulate a failure of an alternate transformation scheme that Hasbro abandoned?

Posted: **Sat Sep 29, 2018 11:55 pm**

It honestly makes sense that they didn't integrate the height-difference gimmick with the PotP version. After all, the CHUG versions of the pre-movie Autobot Cars are scaled up to Deluxe size (except for larger ones like Inferno and Grapple, who appropriately became Voyagers), and most of the Decepticons (including the Headmasters) are Deluxes as well. So having a CHUG version of Punch/Counterpunch shrink in height for his Autobot mode would be nonsensical. With the 1987 toy, it was done to bring him closer in size to the Diaclone-mold characters who were already being left in the dust scale-wise by most of the movie-onward toys (Autobot and Decepticon alike), so it at least had some purpose among G1 toys. But the PotP version is designed to go along with other CHUG toys.

Posted: **Sun Sep 30, 2018 12:01 am**

Wolfman Jake wrote:Somebody probably thought better of that idea, luckily, as that alternate configuration for Punch looks terrible. The proportions are ridiculous. I'm glad cooler heads prevailed. Still, why would anyone want PotP Punch-Counterpunch to be "Voyager" sized to emulate a failure of an alternate transformation scheme that Hasbro abandoned?

It did add an additional difference between the two forms, so it's no longer "one side is Punch, the other Counterpunch" (i.e. one would hope no smart Decepticon looks at Counterpunch's backside :lol:

), so there's that. Animated Voyager Shockwave employed this with the short and stocky Longarm form, and the tall and lanky Shockwave form.

As said before, there's no need for that trick with Prime Wars Punch/Counterpunch, plus it would be quite difficult to engineer at that size.

Posted: **Sun Sep 30, 2018 3:55 am**

Wolfman Jake wrote:
fenrir72 wrote:3. P/CP. Size, though never implemented in the anime but for the original toy, Punch was just a deluxe sized bot while Counterpunch was "supposed" to be a Voyager or a somewhat different scale to differentiate him. Check how the original G1 was "mistransformed".

I still don't understand what you're referring to. Is this some sort of discarded idea from the R&D of Punch-Counterpunch from the G1 days? Forget not being implemented in the cartoon/anime, it wasn't implemented in the toy either, so why would they do that now? That's a very weird nitpick that a modern version of a G1 toy didn't incorporated an aborted and never produced idea from over 30 years before.

Hence a "nitpick" out of an otherwise awesome toy. You did read my review feedback of him a few posts back did you? Same as the nitpick I did on PotP Optimus having hollow parts and grey fists. Everyone of us do their own neurotic nitpicking.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Wolfman Jake wrote:
fenrir72 wrote:3. P/CP. Size, though never implemented in the anime but for the original toy, Punch was just a deluxe sized bot while Counterpunch was "supposed" to be a Voyager or a somewhat different scale to differentiate him. Check how the original G1 was "mistransformed".

I still don't understand what you're referring to. Is this some sort of discarded idea from the R&D of Punch-Counterpunch from the G1 days? Forget not being implemented in the cartoon/anime, it wasn't implemented in the toy either, so why would they do that now? That's a very weird nitpick that a modern version of a G1 toy didn't incorporated an aborted and never produced idea from over 30 years before.

The Punch form of the G1 Double Spy toy was to supposed to have a different leg transformation, leaving the rear at a 90 degree angle and flipping out Counterpunch's feet, instead of sliding back and folding it all out. See the inset:

With this transformation, Punch is the same height as the traditional Autobot Cars, with Counterpunch the size of the larger Decepticons. This is shown on his instruction art and box art.

Funnily enough, this is the only instance in which Hasbro actually cared about scale

As the JZGR posted, my posts always have basis'. Again, about the size shifting. A nitpick as the figure already has been released, no way it could have been implemented at that scale at this point but what if it was implementable? If Takara could do the ladder magic on MPInferno and the double engine magic of MPSunstraker (Okay that was the MP line, I know, apples and oranges).

So as a fallback, I'd have like him as a Voyager and then imagine him to mass shift back to deluxe in Autobot mode (that of course was not implemented in the Headmaster anime though I would or should have been suspicious when you got a 'bot who looks so identical like the other of the opposing team), you'd wonder his cover was never blown by Megazarak. :lol:

Posted: **Sun Sep 30, 2018 4:58 am**

I agree with wolfman that it is an odd nitpick, the question would not be of it was capable for them to do it (it's been pointed out that Animated Shockwave did the same...abd he's awesome) but why they should even bother. Still, it's good to hear you are happy with him

Posted: **Sun Sep 30, 2018 5:27 am**

william-james88 wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:I don't know that reads to me like it was always the plan to have power of the primes line to be short, and to almost be a "best of" feel.
Guess we'll never know the full truth though. Imagine the outcry though if the Prime Masters were always designed to only have eight at normal retail

Yeah, thats how i read it too. It helps us know why its shorter than the others but it doesnt give any credence to the fan theory that it was cut short.

It doesn't help that they didn't answer the second part of the question. They explained why it was shorter, but they didn't answer the second half about if that had been the plan from the start or if it was sudden. So really it doesn't answer either way which theory is true.

Emerje

Posted: **Sun Sep 30, 2018 8:34 am**

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:On a different subject, I just had a belated thought. Has anyone done Starscream combined with the Combaticon limbs?

I think Emgo316 did that in his Starscream review

Posted: **Sun Sep 30, 2018 8:58 am**

Emerje wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:I don't know that reads to me like it was always the plan to have power of the primes line to be short, and to almost be a "best of" feel.
Guess we'll never know the full truth though. Imagine the outcry though if the Prime Masters were always designed to only have eight at normal retail

Yeah, thats how i read it too. It helps us know why its shorter than the others but it doesnt give any credence to the fan theory that it was cut short.

It doesn't help that they didn't answer the second part of the question. They explained why it was shorter, but they didn't answer the second half about if that had been the plan from the start or if it was sudden. So really it doesn't answer either way which theory is true.

Emerje

The compromise is that the original plan may have been a full 1.5 year, but before final implementing and bugdeting it was shortened to a mere year. It all depends on when the supposed change, if any, was made: before production, or during. Who knows?

Posted: **Sun Sep 30, 2018 10:06 am**

You know, it just hit me. I bet the reason they didn't include a second gun for Punch-Counterpunch like how the original toy had one for each mode was because the Prime Armor/combiner hand can already function as a double-barreled gun accessory, making it serve the purpose that a redundant-in-Hasbro's-eyes additional gun would serve.

And I think I'm gonna use it for just that purpose, as a big ol' honking twin-barreled laser gun for Punch, while Counterpunch uses the smaller orange gun so that the Prime Armor can be worn on Counterpunch's back as a jet pack, to enhance his Decepticon disguise not only by covering up the brightly-colored Autobot torso on his back but also enabling him to fly in robot mode like any Decepticon from the cartoon could (while the smaller orange gun will be worn on the back of Punch instead as just a sort of back adornment).

And, to be frank, this is also the most practical option for me since my Punch's fists can hold the Prime Armor gun better than the much tighter-gripped fists of Counterpunch that are just a hair too small to hold the Prime Armor gun without excessively forcing it in there, whereas the orange gun fits okay into Counterpunch's fists (and into Punch's slightly larger fists by extension, but a blue bot carrying an orange gun while the orange bot wields the black gun makes for a better color contrast that the orange bot wielding the orange gun).

Posted: **Sun Sep 30, 2018 12:01 pm**

Sabrblade wrote:...but a blue bot carrying an orange gun while the orange bot wields the black gun makes for a better color contrast that the orange bot wielding the orange gun).

It makes for a better contrast now, but if the proper gun had been black and the Prime Armor had been yellow, we would have had a much more G1 toy accurate set-up, since Punch's double-barreled gun was yellow and Counterpunch's single-barraled gun was black back in the day.

Posted: **Sun Sep 30, 2018 6:54 pm**

Sabrblade wrote:And I think I'm gonna use it for just that purpose, as a big ol' honking twin-barreled laser gun for Punch, while Counterpunch uses the smaller orange gun so that the Prime Armor can be worn on Counterpunch's back as a jet pack, to enhance his Decepticon disguise not only by covering up the brightly-colored Autobot torso on his back but also enabling him to fly in robot mode like any Decepticon from the cartoon could (while the smaller orange gun will be worn on the back of Punch instead as just a sort of back adornment).

Not to mention there's no clearance given how Punch's shoulders are positioned. The "rocket pack" is indeed for C/P.

Posted: **Sun Sep 30, 2018 8:14 pm**

Got c/cp, he's cool, really feels like a leftover t30 figure, but even with the shoulder fix and folding down his panel, mine still has a tough time tabbing the windscreens together to the hood

Posted: **Mon Oct 01, 2018 8:00 am**

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Emerje wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:I don't know that reads to me like it was always the plan to have power of the primes line to be short, and to almost be a "best of" feel.
Guess we'll never know the full truth though. Imagine the outcry though if the Prime Masters were always designed to only have eight at normal retail

Yeah, thats how i read it too. It helps us know why its shorter than the others but it doesnt give any credence to the fan theory that it was cut short.

It doesn't help that they didn't answer the second part of the question. They explained why it was shorter, but they didn't answer the second half about if that had been the plan from the start or if it was sudden. So really it doesn't answer either way which theory is true.

Emerje

The compromise is that the original plan may have been a full 1.5 year, but before final implementing and bugdeting it was shortened to a mere year. It all depends on when the supposed change, if any, was made: before production, or during. Who knows?

Actually, in some way in think we all know. Just look at the end of TR first. Wave 5 was the last full wave and wave 6 had only Slugslinger as a new figure. I believe this is Hasbro's new end of a line format where the final wave has only 1 new toy and the rest repacks. Now look at the PotPie leak. Wave 4 was only Novastar. So basically, at the time of the leak it was already known internally that that was it for PotPie. If I remember correctly, the leak was in July of last year, which would have been either before production started, or at the very beginning if wave 1 showed up in late November.

Posted: **Fri Oct 05, 2018 9:43 am**

^Yeah, the leak was literally the next day after SDCC ended in 2017 (when PotP was first revealed). Seeing things at later reveals like Wildfly/Yokuryu head on Cutthroat initially, a possible Doryu like head weapon on Snarl, Hun-Gurr's *other* head etc... give me hope to see these perhaps used later.

Also I'm a little bummed that NYCC didn't have an exclusive to give PotP a proper farewell, but such is life.

Just waiting for Wreck-Gar to show up at Walgreens, Predaking to go on sale, and my pre-ordered Golden Lagoon Starscream to show up at BBTS, then I'll be done, and I can start petitioning Hasbro to finish what they left unfinished.

william-james88 wrote:I am still way more curious about what happened with those TR box sets.

Me too. But at least we know what 60% of them would have been

Intelligence Set: Diecast TM Ultra Magnus, Legends Cloudraker, Deluxe Arcee
Firepower Set: Diecast TM Scorponok, Legends Wingspan, Deluxe Grotusque

The others have been speculated on many times, but I'd like to think that for the Intelligence set we would have gotten some remold/retool of Galvatron for the Voyager, and God Bomber for the leader.

For the Firepower set, perhaps the Voyager Lio Convoy, and Greatshot as the leader (the only Leader in TR/Legends that has at least a partial beast Mode).

Posted: **Fri Oct 05, 2018 4:41 pm**

william-james88 wrote:I am still way more curious about what happened with those TR box sets.

They probably cancelled them sometime after they paid for the die-cast headmaster molds and had to at least make something back on those :-?

Posted: **Sat Oct 06, 2018 7:15 am**

Hellscream9999 wrote:Got c/cp, he's cool, really feels like a leftover t30 figure, but even with the shoulder fix and folding down his panel, mine still has a tough time tabbing the windscreens together to the hood

Are you making sure to flip the Decepticon logo piece down first?

Posted: **Sat Oct 06, 2018 7:18 am**

Crosscheck wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:Got c/cp, he's cool, really feels like a leftover t30 figure, but even with the shoulder fix and folding down his panel, mine still has a tough time tabbing the windscreens together to the hood

Are you making sure to flip the Decepticon logo piece down first?

yeah, thats not the issue

Posted: **Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:30 am**

Hellscream9999 wrote:
Crosscheck wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:Got c/cp, he's cool, really feels like a leftover t30 figure, but even with the shoulder fix and folding down his panel, mine still has a tough time tabbing the windscreens together to the hood

Are you making sure to flip the Decepticon logo piece down first?

yeah, thats not the issue

Posted: **Sun Oct 07, 2018 7:47 am**

chuckdawg1999 wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:
Crosscheck wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:Got c/cp, he's cool, really feels like a leftover t30 figure, but even with the shoulder fix and folding down his panel, mine still has a tough time tabbing the windscreens together to the hood

Are you making sure to flip the Decepticon logo piece down first?

yeah, thats not the issue

Don't forget my patented Transformers Hug©®™ that'll help massage the pieces together.

If it jams, force it? If it breaks, it needed replacing anyway?

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