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I have to say this Hound looks awesome. Love the colours and the sweet Sunbow G1 goodness, but I will need to see it from all angles to replace my Universe Hound. So far that old figure has yet to be beaten.

william-james88 wrote:

o.supreme wrote:I don't have strong feelings on Hound as a character, but those pics make it look like a cheap Cyberverse toy instead of a Generations toy. Hopefully it will look better in person.

It will be similar to Siege Hound. Did you ever get that toy?

I never got Siege Hound or the Netflix version, but I saw them many times. They looked decent enough in person. It's probably just the colors throwing me off.

Glad we're getting an Earth mode Hound for the prople who want that. I'll probably get him for my Lost Light shelf (mostly cause it's orobably going to be the cheapest way to get a Hound for that shelf). Hatchet looks good enough, I'll grab him for my Bayverse con shelf to go with the other 2 Dreads. We're probably getting official reveals for them on the 27th (and hopefully Minerva)

Emerje wrote:In Siege the Modular figures were all Titan partners, in Earthrise they were all Micromaster bases, and in Kingdom they were all fossils.

Fasttrack and Slammer were neither Micromaster bases nor fossils.

Emerje wrote:Since they've already established our first Deluxe Junkion to be modular and the poster shows multiple modular Junkions I don't think it's unreasonable to think that's the play pattern they've established for all Junkions.

It's what is established for the 3 new character Junkions whose listings were/are literally just "Junkion 1/2/3", yes, but Detritus isn't a new character listed under a non-name, he's listed as the existing repaint Detritus and therefore I would think he can be reasonably expected to actually look like Detritus. And again, there's also that Voyager Junkion figure, which is a price point Hastak have yet to do modular figures at before, so we don't know for certain that every Legacy Junkion is gonna be Modular because that one could still turn out to be another SS86 Wreck-Gar retool or Animated Wreck-Gar as a Bulkhead retool or something.

Emerje wrote:Maybe he won't be a Scraphook retool, but I doubt he'll be a Hound repaint in Legacy.

Cannot agree, doesn't make sense.

Honestly, when I saw how narrow hatchets shoulders are versus his thighs, I thought it looked like they kept crowbars torso and glued hatchets head to crowbars ass

Hmm, interesting.

I am not sure how I feel about Hatchet being a retool of Berserker. I am impressed they pulled that off, but disappointed that he's a retool, it doesn't seem to fit as well as I'd like.

As for Hound, something seems off about him. Glad for those who wanted him, but i am glad I have my Siege one, I'll stick to that one

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Hmm, interesting.

I am not sure how I feel about Hatchet being a retool of Berserker. I am impressed they pulled that off, but disappointed that he's a retool, it doesn't seem to fit as well as I'd like.

As for Hound, something seems off about him. Glad for those who wanted him, but i am glad I have my Siege one, I'll stick to that one

Probably the fact that the part that has the star and Autobot symbol are typically over his shoulder, but it's definitely good enough for me.

sol magnus wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Hmm, interesting.

I am not sure how I feel about Hatchet being a retool of Berserker. I am impressed they pulled that off, but disappointed that he's a retool, it doesn't seem to fit as well as I'd like.

As for Hound, something seems off about him. Glad for those who wanted him, but i am glad I have my Siege one, I'll stick to that one

Probably the fact that the part that has the star and Autobot symbol are typically over his shoulder, but it's definitely good enough for me.

That may be it. I am glad you like him though

Nemesis Primal wrote:

Emerje wrote:In Siege the Modular figures were all Titan partners, in Earthrise they were all Micromaster bases, and in Kingdom they were all fossils.

Fasttrack and Slammer were neither Micromaster bases nor fossils.

Right, they're Titan partners so they got the Siege treatment. They maintained their pattern.

Emerje wrote:Since they've already established our first Deluxe Junkion to be modular and the poster shows multiple modular Junkions I don't think it's unreasonable to think that's the play pattern they've established for all Junkions.

It's what is established for the 3 new character Junkions whose listings were/are literally just "Junkion 1/2/3", yes, but Detritus isn't a new character listed under a non-name, he's listed as the existing repaint Detritus and therefore I would think he can be reasonably expected to actually look like Detritus. And again, there's also that Voyager Junkion figure, which is a price point Hastak have yet to do modular figures at before, so we don't know for certain that every Legacy Junkion is gonna be Modular because that one could still turn out to be another SS86 Wreck-Gar retool or Animated Wreck-Gar as a Bulkhead retool or something.

Listing Detritus just means they had a clearer idea of who the figure is supposed to be, it doesn't tell us anything about what the figure looks like. Nobody said it can't still be a Jeep.

Emerje wrote:Maybe he won't be a Scraphook retool, but I doubt he'll be a Hound repaint in Legacy.

Cannot agree, doesn't make sense.

It doesn't make sense to me for the new Hound retool to be a nobody in the main line while the intended use of the mold gets relegated to being an exclusive.

For the record, I want to be wrong about this.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:Right, they're Titan partners so they got the Siege treatment. They maintained their pattern.

...I misinterpreted what you were saying with this part, I took it too literally. We're on the same page here, yeah.

Emerje wrote:Listing Detritus just means they had a clearer idea of who the figure is supposed to be, it doesn't tell us anything about what the figure looks like. Nobody said it can't still be a Jeep.

Oh, okay, we're kinda thinking the same thing. See, I thought the fact that Junkion 1/2/3 were all unnamed (until Scraphook changed last-minute) is because those ones are all gonna be the same in terms of being modular new character Junkions (specifically the 3 visible on the poster, I'm guessing) that they were still finalizing, which we seem to agree on and makes me think of when the Fossilizers first leaked. However, that to me makes Detritus being a named/existing character immediately separate from those 3, and therefore I'm expecting an accurate Detritus instead of a new modular take on the character, otherwise they would have called him Junkion 4/some other name instead. Honestly, I'm half-expecting them to market him as a Mercenary and explicitly not call him a Junkion so kids don't try to rip him apart like the other 3 (even though I would think the instructions and packaging would still make it clear that he doesn't come apart anyway).

I've still got no real clue with the Voyager one though, just those potential theories I mentioned.

Emerje wrote:It doesn't make sense to me for the new Hound retool to be a nobody in the main line while the intended use of the mold gets relegated to being an exclusive.

For the record, I want to be wrong about this.

Emerje

Okay I think there's a few factors here.
-First of all, you're assuming Hound is the only "intended use" of the mold, whereas I think the fact they've held off on making Detritus since Siege means he was always planned to come from this tooling of the mold alongside Hound, so they would arguably both be the "intended use"
-Second, Hound will still be coming out practically a year ahead of Detritus, so they're still doing the marketable guy first of the two of them, which is on-brand for Hasbro (see: Core Volcanicus obviously being molds intended for a different dino combiner)
-Third, Hasbro has been very consistent about NOT releasing Earth mode redos at mainline retail as the exact same characters that were previously at retail unless that character was Optimus/Megatron/Starscream. The Earth Datsun mold was released at retail as specifically Smokescreen, who was the only Datsun that had been a Selects release during Siege, and Soundwave, Thundercracker, Sideswipe, Red Alert, Mirage, Ironhide, Prowl, and Barricade were all exclusives in ER and Kingdom after having been retail releases during Siege. Hound being an exclusive only continues that trend.
-Fourth, there's no way to justify including Detritus in a Buzzworthy Bumblebee Studio Series wave if you were to switch who gets released where, even though Hound works under either release method by virtue of SS86
-Lastly, if we're going off of product codes, then Detritus comes out in Legacy Evolution Wave 4 alongside Strongarm & Bombshell (presumably 2 new molds), and a Tarantulas repack, which seems unusually new-mold heavy for a Deluxe Wave 4...unless you compare to Siege, which also had Mirage and Impactor (new molds), Barricade (repaint/slight retool), and a Sixgun repack, which then makes Detritus's role in that wave make sense. Could you have done Hound there instead? Assuming the Earth jeep tooling had already released once before and other above reasons were being ignored, then yes, but then people would have just complained about how long it took to get Earth Hound and him being in a potentially hard-to-find tail-end wave instead of complaining that he's an exclusive.

Nemesis Primal wrote:Okay I think there's a few factors here.
-First of all, you're assuming Hound is the only "intended use" of the mold, whereas I think the fact they've held off on making Detritus since Siege means he was always planned to come from this tooling of the mold alongside Hound, so they would arguably both be the "intended use"

I only consider the primary use the "intended use", secondary uses are just a bonus, especially when they're just repaints. If it's a figure that builds in multiple toolings and both can share "generic" parts I'd say they're all intended uses, but it feels wrong calling Detritus the intended use of a design that existed nearly 20 years before him.

-Second, Hound will still be coming out practically a year ahead of Detritus, so they're still doing the marketable guy first of the two of them, which is on-brand for Hasbro (see: Core Volcanicus obviously being molds intended for a different dino combiner)

Well sure, but one is mass retail which will always feel like the more important slot to get.

-Third, Hasbro has been very consistent about NOT releasing Earth mode redos at mainline retail as the exact same characters that were previously at retail unless that character was Optimus/Megatron/Starscream. The Earth Datsun mold was released at retail as specifically Smokescreen, who was the only Datsun that had been a Selects release during Siege, and Soundwave, Thundercracker, Sideswipe, Red Alert, Mirage, Ironhide, Prowl, and Barricade were all exclusives in ER and Kingdom after having been retail releases during Siege. Hound being an exclusive only continues that trend.

I can't argue with this, but I will point out that this is a different line and a different design team (Warden was still in charge of Kingdom's design team even though he departed before it completed) so the same rules may not apply.

-Fourth, there's no way to justify including Detritus in a Buzzworthy Bumblebee Studio Series wave if you were to switch who gets released where, even though Hound works under either release method by virtue of SS86

Who said he'd have be in SS86? We've had single Legacy releases in Buzzworthy, somebody else would have just had to take his place in the SS86 portion (like Mirage who's already on the box).

-Lastly, if we're going off of product codes, then Detritus comes out in Legacy Evolution Wave 4 alongside Strongarm & Bombshell (presumably 2 new molds), and a Tarantulas repack, which seems unusually new-mold heavy for a Deluxe Wave 4...unless you compare to Siege, which also had Mirage and Impactor (new molds), Barricade (repaint/slight retool), and a Sixgun repack, which then makes Detritus's role in that wave make sense. Could you have done Hound there instead? Assuming the Earth jeep tooling had already released once before and other above reasons were being ignored, then yes, but then people would have just complained about how long it took to get Earth Hound and him being in a potentially hard-to-find tail-end wave instead of complaining that he's an exclusive.

It's hard to say what LE wave 4 is going to be without seeing the figures are getting a description. Strongarm could be a slight retool of Crankcase for all we know. Kingdom Deluxe waves 4 and 5 were said to originally be one wave which would have given us two new molds (Waspinator and Slammer), a heavy retool (Pipes) and a repaint/slight retool (Shadow Panther, but the alt head is already in the mold so it doesn't cost any more to produce than Cheetor), which doesn't sound that much different from Strongarm and Bombshell (new molds), Detritus (heavy retool) and Tarantulas (rerelease).

Fans have been complaining about Earth mode Hound taking too long since Earthrise, another year wouldn't kill them.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote:Okay I think there's a few factors here.
-First of all, you're assuming Hound is the only "intended use" of the mold, whereas I think the fact they've held off on making Detritus since Siege means he was always planned to come from this tooling of the mold alongside Hound, so they would arguably both be the "intended use"

I only consider the primary use the "intended use", secondary uses are just a bonus, especially when they're just repaints. If it's a figure that builds in multiple toolings and both can share "generic" parts I'd say they're all intended uses, but it feels wrong calling Detritus the intended use of a design that existed nearly 20 years before him.

-Second, Hound will still be coming out practically a year ahead of Detritus, so they're still doing the marketable guy first of the two of them, which is on-brand for Hasbro (see: Core Volcanicus obviously being molds intended for a different dino combiner)

Well sure, but one is mass retail which will always feel like the more important slot to get.

Fair.

Emerje wrote:I can't argue with this, but I will point out that this is a different line and a different design team (Warden was still in charge of Kingdom's design team even though he departed before it completed) so the same rules may not apply.

True, but we know Warden did stay long enough to at least do initial design work for Prime Arcee according to Mark's behind-the-scenes posts. Whether that would have been enough to impact Detritus and Hound we would have no way of knowing without more BTS (it's probably unlikely), but at the very least we know there was some overlap with the design teams into the initial plans for Legacy.

Emerje wrote:Who said he'd have be in SS86? We've had single Legacy releases in Buzzworthy, somebody else would have just had to take his place in the SS86 portion (like Mirage who's already on the box).

This is true, I only mentioned them directly swapping because of the initial confusion of why their positions were what they were. Who knows what they would have put in this wave if Hound wasn't in it...or if this wave would even exist if Hound wasn't in it.

Emerje wrote:Strongarm could be a slight retool of Crankcase for all we know.

I certainly hope not, only bot I could see working as a Crankcase retool would be Ironfist (or maybe a not-great UT Red Alert as a callback to Crankcase's past, but I think most would prefer a new mold for him, me included).

Emerje wrote:Fans have been complaining about Earth mode Hound taking too long since Earthrise, another year wouldn't kill them.

I certainly agree with this, but then again I wasn't one of those fans waiting/complaining to begin with, so I'm probably biased.

That Buzzworthy Bumblebee line has done a real 180 on fans. It went from being an easily ignorable line to one of the main lines to watch out for since this is the line where you can get reissues of sought after toys and exclusive figures reminiscent of Botcon multipacks. Unlike the Botcon multipacks though, these tend to be a great value, which is rare in the Transformers collector market today, which only adds to their popularity. We now have wind of a third one coming in 2023, keeping that yearly tradition. There is no rumour or word on the street as to who is in this pack, we just know we are getting another one. We thank JTPrime17 and Voltrace for this finding.

I expect the next year's pack to be 4 core class at 150$can.

Given what the last two 4 packs had I wouldn't be shocked if this one was something like Bumblebee again, maybe in a yellow and blue color way because some of the comics colored him that way, Antagony, toy colored Tarantulas and maybe Nightbeat or because the last two were Bumblebee with three villains we could get another G2 Stunticon instead.

Curious to see what this one ends up including, I've enjoyed the sets so far

Although Fangry and Ransack were the standouts of the last 2 sets,I've been able to avoid them because those aren't desirable characters to me personally. But if the next set came with a G2 Stunticon that would Suuuuuuuuuuck! So it's probably a guarantee.

While I am intrigued, each of the previous sets had only 1 figure I was interested in, and I'm expecting it to be the same with this as well.

What I would love, is if we got an updated set of Combaticons, with Onslaught as a main line release and his 4 limbs in a 4-pack like this. Same with Defensor.

Perceptor1996 wrote:Antagony

Considering the price for this one is listed the same as the Creatures Collide one from this year, I would expect 4 Deluxes again, so no Antagony.

Another G2 Stunticon feels like a safe bet.

Something I'd like to see is RID2001 Mirage repainted from Amazon Leadfoot. The head isn't quite right, but it's close enough.




There's a lot of repaint potential in those Spy Changers, I'd take a whole 4 pack of them.

Emerje

Because it's Legacy, I'm gonna say Animated Wasp from Cliffjumper, Datsun repaint as Movieverse Bee, a repaint of a Junkion (probably the muscle car to Lockdown for the desired figure), and probably a G2 Stunticon (probably Dead End)

It's fun to speculate. I'm sure, however, there will be some form of Bumblebee in the set. LOL Other than that, no clue.

Sentinel_Primal wrote:Datsun repaint as Movieverse Bee

I really hope not. For one thing, the Datsun mold is pretty mediocre. for another, I have seen suggestions for the datsun mold to be used for a Prime Smokescreen and movie Bumblebee, and I just hate both of those ideas, not only for the mediocre mold use, but also for taking both of those unique designs and simplifying them like that. They are on par with my opinions on the G1 Smokescreen as Barricade, G1 Grapple as Bulkhead, G1 Sunstreaker as Lockdown ideas.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

Sentinel_Primal wrote:Datsun repaint as Movieverse Bee

I really hope not. For one thing, the Datsun mold is pretty mediocre. for another, I have seen suggestions for the datsun mold to be used for a Prime Smokescreen and movie Bumblebee, and I just hate both of those ideas, not only for the mediocre mold use, but also for taking both of those unique designs and simplifying them like that. They are on par with my opinions on the G1 Smokescreen as Barricade, G1 Grapple as Bulkhead, G1 Sunstreaker as Lockdown ideas.

I agree it wouldn't be ideal, but they sorta share just enough that as the G1ified version it could work imo. I was just going with the trend of having a Bee in each box set and we already have Origin, Netflix, the original Buzzworthy one, and now Goldbug. Although, it could be a G2 version with a new name amd toy accurate head to make it different from Netflix and get around the agreement or whatever it is...

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

Sentinel_Primal wrote:Datsun repaint as Movieverse Bee

I really hope not. For one thing, the Datsun mold is pretty mediocre. for another, I have seen suggestions for the datsun mold to be used for a Prime Smokescreen and movie Bumblebee, and I just hate both of those ideas, not only for the mediocre mold use, but also for taking both of those unique designs and simplifying them like that. They are on par with my opinions on the G1 Smokescreen as Barricade, G1 Grapple as Bulkhead, G1 Sunstreaker as Lockdown ideas.

Agreed. Always a bit surprised by how keen on that kind of stuff people are, specially when it seems pretty clear that designers are usually trying to fit new molds or at least remolds for distinct characters whenever they can, like the whole Override and Cosmos deal.