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PrymeStriker wrote:

NuclearConvoy wrote:It's a serious shame to hear that there are no plans for more Warrior class Decepticons.

Whoa whoa whoa. Where did you hear that?

As it stands we have at least two more coming up: Fracture and "Megatronus". The rest seem to be either Legion or One-Step.

PrymeStriker wrote:

NuclearConvoy wrote:It's a serious shame to hear that there are no plans for more Warrior class Decepticons.

Whoa whoa whoa. Where did you hear that?

No official word, just deductions based on what has been revealed through various conventions and press releases. That's all we have to go by.

I just picked up RiD Steeljaw and Strongarm today

PrymeStriker wrote:

NuclearConvoy wrote:It's a serious shame to hear that there are no plans for more Warrior class Decepticons.

Whoa whoa whoa. Where did you hear that?

Well all we know from Toy Fair is we are getting Warrior Class Sideswipe and Jazz. That doesn't mean there aren't more coming though.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

PrymeStriker wrote:

NuclearConvoy wrote:It's a serious shame to hear that there are no plans for more Warrior class Decepticons.

Whoa whoa whoa. Where did you hear that?

As it stands we have at least two more coming up: Fracture and "Megatronus". The rest seem to be either Legion or One-Step.

Based on looking through the Transformers RID app and what can be unlocked by scanning toys etc. then the decepticons all really have limited forms/modes whereas the Autobots all have way too damn many variations. Almost all of these are directly based on the design difference between size classes and are named after them.

If Warrior-class is the only "real" class of transformers toys we are getting (I am using "real" to indicate a certain level of complexity, detail and scale) then based on the way things are looking there won't be a significant amount of the con characters in that scale.

I'm not saying for certain, but it is looking that way. The "One-Step" toys actually feel like an insult to -- not only my adult self -- the entire reason i fell in love with Transformers as a kid. Through my life TF toys got more complex, more detailed etc. and these all look terrible, have seriously limited articulation etc. and, worst of all, don't teach any puzzle solving skills, its a push-button solution that really only has one way to move the parts. One-Step TFs are the antithesis of TFs IMO.

This line to me feels like it will be a major letdown when it has so much going for it as a design aesthetic and concept...

I love, love, love, love my Steeljaw warrior-class toy. I would buy every one of the Decepticon designs I have seen from RID2015 thus-far in this size class. But I would rather buy an actual brick than buy a 1-step TF.

NuclearConvoy wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

PrymeStriker wrote:

NuclearConvoy wrote:It's a serious shame to hear that there are no plans for more Warrior class Decepticons.

Whoa whoa whoa. Where did you hear that?

As it stands we have at least two more coming up: Fracture and "Megatronus". The rest seem to be either Legion or One-Step.

Based on looking through the Transformers RID app and what can be unlocked by scanning toys etc. then the decepticons all really have limited forms/modes whereas the Autobots all have way too damn many variations. Almost all of these are directly based on the design difference between size classes and are named after them.

If Warrior-class is the only "real" class of transformers toys we are getting (I am using "real" to indicate a certain level of complexity, detail and scale) then based on the way things are looking there won't be a significant amount of the con characters in that scale.

I'm not saying for certain, but it is looking that way. The "One-Step" toys actually feel like an insult to -- not only my adult self -- the entire reason i fell in love with Transformers as a kid. Through my life TF toys got more complex, more detailed etc. and these all look terrible, have seriously limited articulation etc. and, worst of all, don't teach any puzzle solving skills, its a push-button solution that really only has one way to move the parts. One-Step TFs are the antithesis of TFs IMO.

This line to me feels like it will be a major letdown when it has so much going for it as a design aesthetic and concept...

I love, love, love, love my Steeljaw warrior-class toy. I would buy every one of the Decepticon designs I have seen from RID2015 thus-far in this size class. But I would rather buy an actual brick than buy a 1-step TF.

It's especially galling when most if not all the Cons this time around appear to be bigger than the Bots, but the toys don't scale appropriately (a la Prime Insecticons). I love Underbite as a character, but I'm disappointed that he only comes in dog size compared to the nicer figures.

I think it has something to do with how the show is set up. With that many Decepticons to capture, I can't help but feel they'll be more like "Monsters-of-the-Day/Week" as done in Japanese tokusatsu, like Super Sentai (or Power Rangers if you will) and Kamen Rider, thus won't get that much screen time, or play a significant part in the story.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:I think it has something to do with how the show is set up. With that many Decepticons to capture, I can't help but feel they'll be more like "Monsters-of-the-Day/Week" as done in Japanese tokusatsu, like Super Sentai (or Power Rangers if you will) and Kamen Rider, thus won't get that much screen time, or play a significant part in the story.

That is probably the case, though a few leaked images seem to suggest that characters like Fracture and Thunderhoof might become recurring antagonists along with Steeljaw.

NuclearConvoy wrote: worst of all, don't teach any puzzle solving skills, its a push-button solution that really only has one way to move the parts. One-Step TFs are the antithesis of TFs IMO.

I'm riding in the boat right next to you.

NuclearConvoy wrote:it has so much going for it as a design aesthetic and concept...

Coming to terms with the fact that media may be the best option to enjoy this line, opposed to my preferred method of toys. At least the show is entertaining.

NuclearConvoy wrote:]I love, love, love, love my Steeljaw warrior-class toy. I would buy every one of the Decepticon designs I have seen from RID2015 thus-far in this size class.

Amen!

Shuttershock wrote:That is probably the case, though a few leaked images seem to suggest that characters like Fracture and Thunderhoof might become recurring antagonists along with Steeljaw.

There is certainly something going on here. I like it. I'm holding on to hope that this will bode well for the Warrior Class. This year isn't over yet.

I want to have hope for the Warrior Class. These designs have me excited to the level of Animated. I honestly have not felt like the aesthetic has been given such bold new life since then. It's trying something really interesting with the Decepticons in this series, and succeeding very well.

Head of Hasbro Marketing for the Transformers brand at Hasbro , Jerry Jivoin, confirmed in the interview that there will be more warrior class decepticons released as the show progresses.
Think about it, the show is there to sell toys and they already put their main characters at the front end to make sure that they sell first. When the decepticons will have more recurring roles, they will be released. No point in having mass market decepticons on the shelves that arent yet in the show much.

Also, another interview stated that this line is meant for younger children and only the warrior class would have figures that might appeal to fans. The line for fans and older children is generations.

Instead of separating different age groups through classes within lines, they are separating age groups by toylines. Simply put, the reason why fans may find this line unapealing is because it was not made with them (or even 12 year old kids) in mind, same with Rescue Bots.

Thank you for the links to the interviews, I will read them promptly.

So, the only market for media then becomes the comics to support the older fans?

william-james88 wrote:Head of Hasbro Marketing for the Transformers brand at Hasbro , Jerry Jivoin, confirmed in the interview that there will be more warrior class decepticons released as the show progresses.
Think about it, the show is there to sell toys and they already put their main characters at the front end to make sure that they sell first. When the decepticons will have more recurring roles, they will be released. No point in having mass market decepticons on the shelves that arent yet in the show much.

Also, another interview stated that this line is meant for younger children and only the warrior class would have figures that might appeal to fans. The line for fans and older children is generations.

Instead of separating different age groups through classes within lines, they are separating age groups by toylines. Simply put, the reason why fans may find this line unapealing is because it was not made with them (or even 12 year old kids) in mind, same with Rescue Bots.

Thanks for clarifying. I can understand the intentional divide on toy types and why they'd go that direction. Still, from what I've seen there's a lot to like about the show ant it's characters even for an older fan, and it'd be a shame if you couldn't get some nice representation for them.

That, and I selfishly want a warrior class Hammerstrike because SUPREMACIST SUBMARINE SHARK! (sorry)

Shuttershock wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Head of Hasbro Marketing for the Transformers brand at Hasbro , Jerry Jivoin, confirmed in the interview that there will be more warrior class decepticons released as the show progresses.
Think about it, the show is there to sell toys and they already put their main characters at the front end to make sure that they sell first. When the decepticons will have more recurring roles, they will be released. No point in having mass market decepticons on the shelves that arent yet in the show much.

Also, another interview stated that this line is meant for younger children and only the warrior class would have figures that might appeal to fans. The line for fans and older children is generations.

Instead of separating different age groups through classes within lines, they are separating age groups by toylines. Simply put, the reason why fans may find this line unapealing is because it was not made with them (or even 12 year old kids) in mind, same with Rescue Bots.

Thanks for clarifying. I can understand the intentional divide on toy types and why they'd go that direction. Still, from what I've seen there's a lot to like about the show ant it's characters even for an older fan, and it'd be a shame if you couldn't get some nice representation for them.

That, and I selfishly want a warrior class Hammerstrike because SUPREMACIST SUBMARINE SHARK! (sorry)

Hammerstrike, Thunderhoof, Bisk (Oh God, BISK). All of them are amazing designs that scream to have a toy.

I decided Strongarm needed a little more love than Hasbro gave her. So I got out my brush.




You can see more over here.

Now I can't stop looking at Steeljaw.

Steady hand, nice painting. I'm always terrified to paint my TFs. I do Gunpla kits, but I feel less apprehension there...

I can understand the desire to have simplified toys for younger children, but I feel like the one-step business is taking it a bit far. My very first transformer ever was the original Beast Wars Megatron, when I was about 6 years old. He is not a very complex toy, but he holds just enough challenge to make him interesting without being frustrating. All the Beast Wars toys that I got were like this. I think if they had Warriors, Voyagers, and 3-steps WITH ARTICULATION, we would have a good assortment of toys that still comply with the needs of today's children without insulting their capabilities.

That Bot wrote:I can understand the desire to have simplified toys for younger children, but I feel like the one-step business is taking it a bit far. My very first transformer ever was the original Beast Wars Megatron, when I was about 6 years old. He is not a very complex toy, but he holds just enough challenge to make him interesting without being frustrating. All the Beast Wars toys that I got were like this. I think if they had Warriors, Voyagers, and 3-steps WITH ARTICULATION, we would have a good assortment of toys that still comply with the needs of today's children without insulting their capabilities.

My first toys were all second-hand G1 stuff and, let's face it, they weren't the most complicated of transformations but they still required you to use your brain. I was into Transformers before I was in Kindergarten, so I feel like it is safe to say that One-Step changers aim their bar really low. Who are they designed to appeal to, exactly? Toddlers? And, if so, then why aren't they all in the Rescue Bots line instead of attached to media content that is too old for them?


Also, i am watching Episode 4 of RID2015 and I am wondering if we could even begin to see a working toy of ChopShop from this series. One robot mode whose alt mode appears to be 6 individual spider-like robots. That'd be rad, but if they are aiming on having the toy line aimed towards a more low-brow intellect level of children (seriously, I still don't understand how these toys are marketed to the 5 to 11 range, or was I just an exceedingly bright child?) it seems unlikely that the character will see a Warrior-class (highest complexity level available in this line...) figure. But it would be rad.

I never owned the Voyager Cybertron Defense Scattorshot mold from the Cybertron line, but recently acquired the mold when I bought the final BotCon 2009 boxed set off of the Club Store, and I gotta say that that figure is astounding compared to today's toys.

It's a Voyager class figure with an excellent amount of articulation, but do ya'll know how many steps it take to transform it? Six. Six measly steps:

1. Open out the feet.
2. Unfold and rotate two side panels.
3. Fold down the rotated side panels in the direction opposite from where they were folded down before.
4. Fold out the arms
5. Flip out the hands.
6. Flip up the head.

And that's it. The transformation is so simplistic and elementary, yet results in an impressively articulated figure with a ton of non-inhibiting gimmick features.

If they had gone that route of simplistic figures, keeping the transformations easy without compromising articulation or details, then I think this line wouldn't have gotten so much backlash from those who want to collect the cartoon-based lines over Generations.

Sabrblade wrote:I never owned the Voyager Cybertron Defense Scattorshot mold from the Cybertron line, but recently acquired the mold when I bought the final BotCon 2009 boxed set off of the Club Store, and I gotta say that that figure is astounding compared to today's toys.

It's a Voyager class figure with an excellent amount of articulation, but do ya'll know how many steps it take to transform it? Six. Six measly steps:

1. Open out the feet.
2. Unfold and rotate two side panels.
3. Fold down the rotated side panels in the direction opposite from where they were folded down before.
4. Fold out the arms
5. Flip out the hands.
6. Flip up the head.

And that's it. The transformation is so simplistic and elementary, yet results in an impressively articulated figure with a ton of non-inhibiting gimmick features.

If they had gone that route of simplistic figures, keeping the transformations easy without compromising articulation or details, then I think this line wouldn't have gotten so much backlash from those who want to collect the cartoon-based lines over Generations.

Yes, many of the toys pre-2007 were kinda simple to transform yet resulted in wonderful toys. I'm not interested in the frustrating transformations myself, and love the Unicron trilogy toys. I do like what they are doing with generations this year but RiD is still not big on my list of faves. I want to see what thunderhoof looks like.

Simple is ok, so long as it results in an awesome figure.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:

Kyleor wrote:Question on RiD 2015 Warrior class Bumblebee: Is there a trick to getting his sword to click in where it's supposed to in vehicle mode? Or is it one of those it's supposed to fit but actually doesn't?

Only one side has the holes for the tabs to peg into so if it's not fitting one way turn it over. Hope that helps.

Yeah, I tried both ways, it looks like it wants to fit but it just won't click in place. Maybe a only affecting some manufacturing/design defect like the leg issue on warrior Grimlock?

Sabrblade wrote:I never owned the Voyager Cybertron Defense Scattorshot mold from the Cybertron line, but recently acquired the mold when I bought the final BotCon 2009 boxed set off of the Club Store, and I gotta say that that figure is astounding compared to today's toys.

It's a Voyager class figure with an excellent amount of articulation, but do ya'll know how many steps it take to transform it? Six. Six measly steps:

1. Open out the feet.
2. Unfold and rotate two side panels.
3. Fold down the rotated side panels in the direction opposite from where they were folded down before.
4. Fold out the arms
5. Flip out the hands.
6. Flip up the head.

And that's it. The transformation is so simplistic and elementary, yet results in an impressively articulated figure with a ton of non-inhibiting gimmick features.

If they had gone that route of simplistic figures, keeping the transformations easy without compromising articulation or details, then I think this line wouldn't have gotten so much backlash from those who want to collect the cartoon-based lines over Generations.

I feel the same way about Deluxe Hotshot from that same line. Hence why I feel that line is an all time high for style, design and engineering that every age can enjoy.

But the good news is I feel they are bringing it back with the Combiner Wars. They are also very simple in design but sturdy and well articulated. I only own Dragstrip so far but he feels very remeniscent of the cybertron line in his engineering.

Sabrblade wrote:I never owned the Voyager Cybertron Defense Scattorshot mold from the Cybertron line, but recently acquired the mold when I bought the final BotCon 2009 boxed set off of the Club Store, and I gotta say that that figure is astounding compared to today's toys.

It's a Voyager class figure with an excellent amount of articulation, but do ya'll know how many steps it take to transform it? Six. Six measly steps:

1. Open out the feet.
2. Unfold and rotate two side panels.
3. Fold down the rotated side panels in the direction opposite from where they were folded down before.
4. Fold out the arms
5. Flip out the hands.
6. Flip up the head.

And that's it. The transformation is so simplistic and elementary, yet results in an impressively articulated figure with a ton of non-inhibiting gimmick features.

If they had gone that route of simplistic figures, keeping the transformations easy without compromising articulation or details, then I think this line wouldn't have gotten so much backlash from those who want to collect the cartoon-based lines over Generations.

I agree with you completely. I think that figure is a very good example of engineering simplicity done right. I just don't see it in the current RiD line. The figures are simple, but in a way that doesn't serve the toys very well. BTW, I have looked at several RiD figures in package during the last couple weeks, and I am not impressed with their overall look and detail either. I am not impressed with this line of toys at all, and I have no desire to buy anything I have seen thus far.

Prime Riblet wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:I never owned the Voyager Cybertron Defense Scattorshot mold from the Cybertron line, but recently acquired the mold when I bought the final BotCon 2009 boxed set off of the Club Store, and I gotta say that that figure is astounding compared to today's toys.

It's a Voyager class figure with an excellent amount of articulation, but do ya'll know how many steps it take to transform it? Six. Six measly steps:

1. Open out the feet.
2. Unfold and rotate two side panels.
3. Fold down the rotated side panels in the direction opposite from where they were folded down before.
4. Fold out the arms
5. Flip out the hands.
6. Flip up the head.

And that's it. The transformation is so simplistic and elementary, yet results in an impressively articulated figure with a ton of non-inhibiting gimmick features.

If they had gone that route of simplistic figures, keeping the transformations easy without compromising articulation or details, then I think this line wouldn't have gotten so much backlash from those who want to collect the cartoon-based lines over Generations.

I agree with you completely. I think that figure is a very good example of engineering simplicity done right. I just don't see it in the current RiD line. The figures are simple, but in a way that doesn't serve the toys very well. BTW, I have looked at several RiD figures in package during the last couple weeks, and I am not impressed with their overall look and detail either. I am not impressed with this line of toys at all, and I have no desire to buy anything I have seen thus far.

Not even Warrior Sideswipe? That thing is the definition of beauty!

Steeljaw is totally worth the gamble.