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Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2015 12:01 pm**

megatronus wrote:I don't collect G1, but I might have to start with all of these reissues. Does anyone think they'll shelf warm like the TRU reissues from a few year back, or is interest and brand awareness high enough that these will vacate quickly?

Hopefully whoever carries these will learn a lesson from Kmart's Insecticons price debacle...

This is really a question of price. If they are too expensive, then they will shelfwarm, guaranteed. Any collector, the public this is geared towards, can get the G1 toys on e-bay. If these happen to be just as expensive, if not more (like with the insecticons) then these will stay in retail until discounted (hence my comment on price being the main factor here). From experience, the encore line never did too well for Takara. An easy example is Encore Fortmax still being in stock at online retailers the last time I checked.

Also, please remember that all the retail aspect mentioned above is only for australia. There is no confirmation of these reissues coming to TRUs in america (aside from the coneheads I think, but event then I am not sure). Of course, Kmart already got their overpriced insecticons.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2015 12:04 pm**

Cobotron wrote:I'm sure recreating the molds would be simple as pie, but I doubt old Uncle Hasby would put forth the effort. Not really his style.

People keep thinking recasting molds is easy as pie (which it is, you'd just need the Master Copy), but keep in mind, new molds made from scratch cost thousands of dollars (cutting molds is the most expensive part of creating a toy) depending on the materials used and how complicated the overall tooling is (the more intricate the tooling, the more molds that need to be made). Obviously, the more original molds from G1 that can still be used despite their age, the less new molds that have to be newly made, thus lowering production costs.

Funny Megatronus mentioned reissues possibly shelfwarming, because that's what they tend to do. In fact, the Commemorative Series of reissues by Hasbro was canceled because Toys 'R Us no longer wanted to carry the line. The reason? They didn't move fast enough. TakaraTomy isn't immune to that either: Stepper shelfwarmed rather heavily there (despite the whole "rare" monnicker the toy has), and God Ginrai was seriously overproduced.

Reissue are, and always will be, a tricky business with demand, cost of reproducing the toy, and expected sales.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2015 12:14 pm**

I don't recall off hand....did the G1 Dinobots have die cast?

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2015 12:18 pm**

Agamemnon wrote:I don't recall off hand....did the G1 Dinobots have die cast?

Yes they did. (actually wait, I know they had metal but it may not have been died, will have to check mine out tonight, but "yes" is the safer bet)

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2015 12:22 pm**

william-james88 wrote:
Agamemnon wrote:I don't recall off hand....did the G1 Dinobots have die cast?

Yes they did. (actually wait, I know they had metal but it may not have been died, will have to check mine out tonight, but "yes" is the safer bet)

I wonder if that could be a factor, in the original dies for die cast are lost or badly damaged. I could see that being a fairly major expense.

Still... (G1 Thoughts G1 Thoughts G1 Thoughts G1 Thoughts )

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2015 12:25 pm**

Agamemnon wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Agamemnon wrote:I don't recall off hand....did the G1 Dinobots have die cast?

Yes they did. (actually wait, I know they had metal but it may not have been died, will have to check mine out tonight, but "yes" is the safer bet)

I wonder if that could be a factor, in the original dies for die cast are lost or badly damaged. I could see that being a fairly major expense.

Still... (G1 Thoughts G1 Thoughts G1 Thoughts G1 Thoughts )

I dont think Die Cast factors in anywhere but the price. And even then, the last Reissue we got before this new 2015 batch was Platinum Predaking which was about 100$ and was covered in die cast.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2015 12:30 pm**

william-james88 wrote:
Agamemnon wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Agamemnon wrote:I don't recall off hand....did the G1 Dinobots have die cast?

Yes they did. (actually wait, I know they had metal but it may not have been died, will have to check mine out tonight, but "yes" is the safer bet)

I wonder if that could be a factor, in the original dies for die cast are lost or badly damaged. I could see that being a fairly major expense.

Still... (G1 Thoughts G1 Thoughts G1 Thoughts G1 Thoughts )

I dont think Die Cast factors in anywhere but the price. And even then, the last Reissue we got before this new 2015 batch was Platinum Predaking which was about 100$ and was covered in die cast.

Oh, I was thinking of the cost of mold repair/creation for the die cast parts. Sorry about that...

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2015 2:39 pm**

megatronus wrote:I don't collect G1, but I might have to start with all of these reissues. Does anyone think they'll shelf warm like the TRU reissues from a few year back, or is interest and brand awareness high enough that these will vacate quickly?

Hopefully whoever carries these will learn a lesson from Kmart's Insecticons price debacle...

It really depends. If they come out in greater quantities than TRU MP10, it'll be a pain obtaining these. If they show in greater numbers like the recent MP's have been it shouldnt be too bad. After the initial collector snatch-ups that is.

Though one could argue, demand for G1 reissues is probably a lot lower than MP's (to the avid or average collectors)

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2015 3:46 pm**

shajaki wrote:
megatronus wrote:I don't collect G1, but I might have to start with all of these reissues. Does anyone think they'll shelf warm like the TRU reissues from a few year back, or is interest and brand awareness high enough that these will vacate quickly?

Hopefully whoever carries these will learn a lesson from Kmart's Insecticons price debacle...
It really depends. If they come out in greater quantities than TRU MP10, it'll be a pain obtaining these. If they show in greater numbers like the recent MP's have been it shouldnt be too bad. After the initial collector snatch-ups that is.

Though one could argue, demand for G1 reissues is probably a lot lower than MP's (to the avid or average collectors)

The Demand will always be lower than MPs simply because them being reissues means the overall supply (including originals) is way higher than that of MPs.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2015 6:20 pm**

A poster at cybertronphils forum mentioned seeing the Platinum Seeker Set re-issue last January 2015 in HK but didn't post a pic. Checked ebay and other Asian online stores yielded zilch! So anyone can confirm otherwise if they were released? or was he doing a Munchausen?

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2015 6:36 pm**

fenrir72 wrote:A poster at cybertronphils forum mentioned seeing the Platinum Seeker Set re-issue last January 2015 in HK but didn't post a pic. Checked ebay and other Asian online stores yielded zilch! So anyone can confirm otherwise if they were released? or was he doing a Munchausen?

I havent heard any of that and it was never reported here. The most I would give this story is that it is a misinformation based on the reveal of g1 coneheads reissue.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2015 6:39 pm**

As hinted at with the rumours coming out of the Australian Toy Fair, it appears Toysrus will be carrying the Platinum Edition Insecticons 3-Pack, as it is now available for preorder on Toysrus' Canadian site for $109.99 CAD. Also, making this a first for the Toysrus MP and Platinum exclusives, the packaging will be bilingual and able to ship to Quebec! This comes as good news to those who have been speculating whether or not Toys R Us would be carrying this round of Platinum Edition figures. Hopefully this is a sign that they will continue to get the other upcoming releases of the Platinum line, and that they will actually be available in store. Click the pics for the links, and stay tuned to Seibertron.com for all your Transformers News!

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2015 6:58 pm**

william-james88 wrote:
fenrir72 wrote:A poster at cybertronphils forum mentioned seeing the Platinum Seeker Set re-issue last January 2015 in HK but didn't post a pic. Checked ebay and other Asian online stores yielded zilch! So anyone can confirm otherwise if they were released? or was he doing a Munchausen?

I havent heard any of that and it was never reported here. The most I would give this story is that it is a misinformation based on the reveal of g1 coneheads reissue.

Yeah......thinking that myself as no ebay listing ever showed up. Just need an authoritative "aye" from you guys.

[quote author="@leige" source="/post/563509/thread" timestamp="1421236681"][quote source="/post/563380/thread" timestamp="1420182620" author="@paul17"]when is the release of the 3 coneheads?[/quote]
I saw those coneheads last month at HK Duty free. Together w/ YOTG OP, Insecticons. Priced at HKD 999. I have no more money to spare since i got my haul at Ins point shop. Too bad i didn't take pictures to share.. i regret for not doing it. [/quote]

This is the post.

gawd.......just need Ramjet and Thrust and my season 2 G1 Decepticons are complete. Also hoping Hasbro doesn't alter Thrust's missiles for safety issues again.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2015 6:59 pm**

The price is simply absurd.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2015 7:05 pm**

I saw these on the shelf at K-mart. They had three sets. i totally passed.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2015 7:17 pm**

shajaki wrote:As hinted at with the rumours coming out of the Australian Toy Fair, it appears Toysrus will be carrying the Platinum Edition Insecticons 3-Pack, as it is now available for preorder on Toysrus' Canadian site for $109.99 CAD. Also, making this a first for the Toysrus MP and Platinum exclusives, the packaging will be bilingual and able to ship to Quebec! This comes as good news to those who have been speculating whether or not Toys R Us would be carrying this round of Platinum Edition figures. Hopefully this is a sign that they will continue to get the other upcoming releases of the Platinum line, and that they will actually be available in store. Click the pics for the links, and stay tuned to Seibertron.com for all your Transformers News!

For those who missed this good time to get one. But if you are just after energon cubes, try looking for the TFC version.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2015 8:01 pm**

$100 for re-issues of the insecticons?

HAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAAHAHA

No.

Yeesh, it's bone-headed stuff like this that is making some stores think people don't want Transformers anymore, and stock less. This is way too little for WAY too much money. Some people would totally go for this - IF it was like $40 or $30. But $100? Seriously? These things are NOT gonna sell at that price.

Combiner War figures are moving fast because: A) good figures B) decent price. The insecticon re-issues are neither.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2015 8:32 pm**

Shockwave7 wrote:$100 for re-issues of the insecticons?

HAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAAHAHA

No.

Yeesh, it's bone-headed stuff like this that is making some stores think people don't want Transformers anymore, and stock less. This is way too little for WAY too much money. Some people would totally go for this - IF it was like $40 or $30. But $100? Seriously? These things are NOT gonna sell at that price.

Combiner War figures are moving fast because: A) good figures B) decent price. The insecticon re-issues are neither.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-TRANSFORMERS-INSECTICONS-G1-COMPLETE-3-BOXED-SET-MISB-REISSUE-SEALED-/171547379187?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27f10545f3

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2015 8:49 pm**

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-TRANSFORMERS-INSECTICONS-G1-COMPLETE-3-BOXED-SET-MISB-REISSUE-SEALED-/171547379187?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27f10545f3

These are ACTUAL G1s, not G1 re-issues. Did anyone pay $150 for them...? Surprise quotient=0.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2015 9:03 pm**

Shockwave7 wrote:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-TRANSFORMERS-INSECTICONS-G1-COMPLETE-3-BOXED-SET-MISB-REISSUE-SEALED-/171547379187?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27f10545f3

These are ACTUAL G1s, not G1 re-issues. Did anyone pay $150 for them...? Surprise quotient=0.

No, those are reissues.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2015 9:14 pm**

Insecticons? Why do a reissue on them again? It doesn't make sense. Hasbro should have released some reissue figures worth the money. Like, the entire collection of the G1 Dinobots (might as well, the Dinobots have been marketed more faster than a computer virus can spam you with useless advertisements as distractions to hack your personal information) in one pack or Fortress Maximus. I wonder what inspires Hasbro to make such dumb decisions. But who knows, and who cares?

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2015 9:46 pm**

william-james88 wrote:
Shockwave7 wrote:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-TRANSFORMERS-INSECTICONS-G1-COMPLETE-3-BOXED-SET-MISB-REISSUE-SEALED-/171547379187?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27f10545f3
These are ACTUAL G1s, not G1 re-issues. Did anyone pay $150 for them...? Surprise quotient=0.
No, those are reissues.

Both wrong

Those are chinese KO's.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2015 9:48 pm**

OptimalOptimus2 wrote:Insecticons? Why do a reissue on them again? It doesn't make sense. Hasbro should have released some reissue figures worth the money. Like, the entire collection of the G1 Dinobots (might as well, the Dinobots have been marketed more faster than a computer virus can spam you with useless advertisements as distractions to hack your personal information) in one pack or Fortress Maximus. I wonder what inspires Hasbro to make such dumb decisions. But who knows, and who cares?

Fortress maximus has just been reissued and is still available. And with these prices, this is the cheapest it would ever get:

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=TAK11575&mode=retail

As for the Dinobots, the molds are currently lost from Hasbro and Takara.

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2015 10:46 pm**

william-james88 wrote:
OptimalOptimus2 wrote:Insecticons? Why do a reissue on them again? It doesn't make sense. Hasbro should have released some reissue figures worth the money. Like, the entire collection of the G1 Dinobots (might as well, the Dinobots have been marketed more faster than a computer virus can spam you with useless advertisements as distractions to hack your personal information) in one pack or Fortress Maximus. I wonder what inspires Hasbro to make such dumb decisions. But who knows, and who cares?

Fortress maximus has just been reissued and is still available. And with these prices, this is the cheapest it would ever get:

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=TAK11575&mode=retail

As for the Dinobots, the molds are currently lost from Hasbro and Takara.

And we're not going to see a stateside reissue of Fort Max, anyone remember the Drop Test?

Posted: **Wed Mar 04, 2015 10:52 pm**

Nemesis Primal wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Fortress maximus has just been reissued and is still available. And with these prices, this is the cheapest it would ever get:

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=TAK11575&mode=retail

And we're not going to see a stateside reissue of Fort Max, anyone remember the Drop Test?

Clickity the link above. Consider this "stateside" enough. If there would ever be a Platinum Fortmax at your local TrU, you'd have to pay at least 500$+taxes at the very least I bet.

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