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Posted: **Sat Jun 11, 2016 3:27 am**

Burn wrote:...Tempted to cancel my pre-order for Primal, not to put my money towards this, but because I really don't think I need Beast Wars Masterpieces.

Yes, you do.

I'm not fully happy with this, but I'm 99% sure that's due to lack of final colors.

Posted: **Sat Jun 11, 2016 4:05 am**

By the gods this looks incredible.
What the hell world is this where I'm excited for Cheetor

Posted: **Sat Jun 11, 2016 5:04 am**

Ironhidensh wrote:
Burn wrote:...Tempted to cancel my pre-order for Primal, not to put my money towards this, but because I really don't think I need Beast Wars Masterpieces.

Yes, you do.

I'm not fully happy with this, but I'm 99% sure that's due to lack of final colors.

No, I really don't. I was left disappointed with the Generations incarnations, which made me appreciate the originals even more. Considering I have a nearly complete BW, BWII and BW Neo collection, adding Masterpieces into the equation doesn't really achieve anything.

Posted: **Sat Jun 11, 2016 5:12 am**

Burn wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:
Burn wrote:...Tempted to cancel my pre-order for Primal, not to put my money towards this, but because I really don't think I need Beast Wars Masterpieces.

Yes, you do.

I'm not fully happy with this, but I'm 99% sure that's due to lack of final colors.

No, I really don't. I was left disappointed with the Generations incarnations, which made me appreciate the originals even more. Considering I have a nearly complete BW, BWII and BW Neo collection, adding Masterpieces into the equation doesn't really achieve anything.

Posted: **Sat Jun 11, 2016 6:40 am**

not 100% sold on mp primal - i got the generations figures and they were nice enough but if i have to prioritise my spending, it would definitely be a skip. However this guy does look pretty good and would very much be a buy if it weren't for the g1 related releases on the horizon

Posted: **Sat Jun 11, 2016 6:41 am**

This looks amazing. Even if he's too large to properly scale with the Generations figures (which he probably will be) this guy is going to be preordered. :BOWDOWN:

Posted: **Sat Jun 11, 2016 7:03 am**

too many great versions of primal out there so i skipped the mp primal. but this one looks like a keeper. wont pay full price for it though.

Posted: **Sat Jun 11, 2016 7:48 am**

OMG.... I didn't think they'd actually pull Cheetor off... I'm amazed.

For those that weren't impressed with the Generations update (I sure wasn't, did he ever use shriukens?) I'm not sure why you'd hold that against the MP release. (Unless you're taking yourself out of another collection, which I can understand). But this cheetor feels like what the original always was in my head. While I'm not sure I can see an MP Rattrap trumping the Generations release... that "second" attempt at Cheetor was a hot mess.

Will be interesting to see colors, if they actually go with the intestings (gutbuster) cannon. I love the throw back to the tail-gun from the original toy. I don't think he ever used it in the animation.

I do hope Dinobot is next... though I'm still hoping for a faceplate version (since the original toy release had one, and that was always my favorite). Bonus points if they leave the rib/shins translucent.

Posted: **Sat Jun 11, 2016 7:49 am**

griftimus prime wrote:too many great versions of primal out there so i skipped the mp primal. but this one looks like a keeper. wont pay full price for it though.

I was on the fence with MP Primal, because TBH there wasn't anything wrong with the origianl release (if you can find one these days). However, the show accurate wrist-cannons are interesting. And to a degree I think the egineering magic in these beasties could be more interesting that some of the G1 MPs... we'll find out.

Posted: **Sat Jun 11, 2016 11:00 am**

Good lord, save for a bit of kibble on the Cheetah back legs, it's...PERFECT.

Posted: **Sat Jun 11, 2016 11:40 am**

Burn wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:
Burn wrote:...Tempted to cancel my pre-order for Primal, not to put my money towards this, but because I really don't think I need Beast Wars Masterpieces.

Yes, you do.

I'm not fully happy with this, but I'm 99% sure that's due to lack of final colors.

No, I really don't. I was left disappointed with the Generations incarnations, which made me appreciate the originals even more. Considering I have a nearly complete BW, BWII and BW Neo collection, adding Masterpieces into the equation doesn't really achieve anything.

Fair enough. Sounds nutty to me, but I'm well aware of how nutty many others consider my own opinions.

Very little if my own BW collection has withstood the test of time, or even survived, so this stuff is the bees knees to me.

Posted: **Sat Jun 11, 2016 12:06 pm**

This looks really, really good.

Fun observations/speculation from making bad attempts at translating the machine translation of the Japanese twitter accounts posting about this from the show follow, none of this should be taken as factual:

Cheetor was shown in a presentation shortly before being unveiled on the show floor, but pictures weren't allowed because Takara wanted full control over how this was presented to the public. Apparently, this is because the reactions to the tiny bit of Beast Convoy shown a year ago were not what they expected, with fans jumping to conclusions based on the limited amount shown. I say "good on them", but this was apparently not a popular decision with those in attendance.
In same presentation, there were some hints about how good a dinosaur may look given this treatment? This was super hard to make anything of, but it seems that MP Beast Megatron might have sort of been hinted at, maybe as the next one of these happening if successful. Could also have easily been a joke, reference to Dinobot, or a poor reading of poorly translated tweets on my part. Still fun to dream!

Posted: **Sat Jun 11, 2016 12:19 pm**

Regarding Scott's post above, I think Optimus Primal was a poor choice to go with as the first reveal/release. His original toy is still pretty awesome, especially with the remolds it got 10 years ago which Takara themselves thought were good enough for a release in Transformers Legends at the tail end of 2014.

Rhinox, Rattrap and Waspinator all recently got decent (not perfect, but still really awesome) updates in the Generations/Legends lines so I'd stay away from them. However, Dinobot, Cheetor, Tigatron, Airazor, Terrorsaur, Blackarachnia, Tarantulas, Scorponok, and especially Megatron all really need some proper toys. I think the concept should have been proven with any of those first, and then worked back to Optimus Primal, Rattrap, Rhinox and Waspinator. The problem with my idea is that Hasbro and Takara love to lead out with an Optimus toy, but I feel like in this case, that was a poor decision.

Another issue is ... why is it taking almost 1.5 years from when they first showed Beast Convoy/Optimus Primal from when we are actually going to get him? Is it going to take 1.5 years until we get Cheetor?

Posted: **Sat Jun 11, 2016 1:05 pm**

Also, god help me if they do BIG or Lio Convoy.... Regarding Seib's post. I agree that Primal wasn't the best choice for the first go. Though... if it "has to be a Prime" Lio Convoy would have been interesting... though I suppose it wouldn't have made a lot a sense to US fans....

Posted: **Sat Jun 11, 2016 2:25 pm**

I really like the robot mode. I'm not too sure on the beast mode. Hard to tell without the spots.

Posted: **Sat Jun 11, 2016 5:30 pm**

Ultra gear!

Posted: **Sat Jun 11, 2016 5:38 pm**

Seibertron wrote:Regarding Scott's post above, I think Optimus Primal was a poor choice to go with as the first reveal/release. His original toy is still pretty awesome, especially with the remolds it got 10 years ago which Takara themselves thought were good enough for a release in Transformers Legends at the tail end of 2014.

Rhinox, Rattrap and Waspinator all recently got decent (not perfect, but still really awesome) updates in the Generations/Legends lines so I'd stay away from them. However, Dinobot, Cheetor, Tigatron, Airazor, Terrorsaur, Blackarachnia, Tarantulas, Scorponok, and especially Megatron all really need some proper toys. I think the concept should have been proven with any of those first, and then worked back to Optimus Primal, Rattrap, Rhinox and Waspinator. The problem with my idea is that Hasbro and Takara love to lead out with an Optimus toy, but I feel like in this case, that was a poor decision.

Another issue is ... why is it taking almost 1.5 years from when they first showed Beast Convoy/Optimus Primal from when we are actually going to get him? Is it going to take 1.5 years until we get Cheetor?

I disagree, I think it sets a nice standard for what they aim to achieve with this sub-line/theme. I am of the opinion that, unless the beast mode looked like the show, there is no 'great' Primal. The went out of their way to demonstrate that they are aiming for a show-accurate beast mode and bot mode, while also fitting in whatever gimmicks or features they can from the toy; that, and Primal offered a challenge, but was doable for being the first in the series due to his relative bulk, plus as others have said he is iconic enough that he would have pretty good sales either way, thus ensuring continued interest in the line.

Posted: **Sat Jun 11, 2016 5:38 pm**

Seibertron wrote:Regarding Scott's post above, I think Optimus Primal was a poor choice to go with as the first reveal/release. His original toy is still pretty awesome, especially with the remolds it got 10 years ago which Takara themselves thought were good enough for a release in Transformers Legends at the tail end of 2014.

Rhinox, Rattrap and Waspinator all recently got decent (not perfect, but still really awesome) updates in the Generations/Legends lines so I'd stay away from them. However, Dinobot, Cheetor, Tigatron, Airazor, Terrorsaur, Blackarachnia, Tarantulas, Scorponok, and especially Megatron all really need some proper toys. I think the concept should have been proven with any of those first, and then worked back to Optimus Primal, Rattrap, Rhinox and Waspinator. The problem with my idea is that Hasbro and Takara love to lead out with an Optimus toy, but I feel like in this case, that was a poor decision.

Another issue is ... why is it taking almost 1.5 years from when they first showed Beast Convoy/Optimus Primal from when we are actually going to get him? Is it going to take 1.5 years until we get Cheetor?

On the timing, I really think that was a case of something getting shown when they had barely scratched the surface of actually making the thing. Not something done often, but if some rumors are to be believed about Masterpiece there are a lot of designs in the pipe already in progress and some that are even conceptually finished and just waiting for licensing deals to close. Revealing some of that stuff now, way early, would probably lead to wait for that product like the length of the wait for Primal.

I'd also personally rather them lead out the line of Beast MPs with someone like Megatron, but let's be honest here, Takara is going to lead with some version of Convoy every time whenever possible. He's the face of the franchise, and probably seen as a "safe" play that will help other oddball stuff like Inferno keep happening. I imagine this is why there was a run of characters like Bumblebee and Ultra Magnus just before something like Tracks that's an iconic character but not on that A-tier within the brand.

Posted: **Sat Jun 11, 2016 7:07 pm**

Dr Va'al wrote:

Anyways, I think Cheetor looks phenomenal. And those concerned with the rear leg kibble, the fact that three's as little as there is, astonishes me. Congrats Takara :APPLAUSE:

Posted: **Sat Jun 11, 2016 8:23 pm**

shajaki wrote:
Dr Va'al wrote:

Anyways, I think Cheetor looks phenomenal. And those concerned with the rear leg kibble, the fact that three's as little as there is, astonishes me. Congrats Takara

I honestly don't think anyone is that worried about it, due to the overwhelming awesome that is this feat of engineering art 8-)

Posted: **Sat Jun 11, 2016 8:37 pm**

Hellscream9999 wrote:
shajaki wrote:I think Cheetor looks phenomenal. And those concerned with the rear leg kibble, the fact that three's as little as there is, astonishes me. Congrats Takara
I honestly don't think anyone is that worried about it, due to the overwhelming awesome that is this feat of engineering art

No one is raving, but it was the one common complaint so far.

I just really hope, if this line continues (I have full faith it will) that Tigatron is NOT a slight remold of this. [-(

Posted: **Sat Jun 11, 2016 8:50 pm**

shajaki wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:
shajaki wrote:I think Cheetor looks phenomenal. And those concerned with the rear leg kibble, the fact that three's as little as there is, astonishes me. Congrats Takara
I honestly don't think anyone is that worried about it, due to the overwhelming awesome that is this feat of engineering art
No one is raving, but it was the one common complaint so far.

I just really hope, if this line continues (I have full faith it will) that Tigatron is NOT a slight remold of this.

What about an up-scaled remold? They are nearly identical in bot mode...

Posted: **Sat Jun 11, 2016 8:53 pm**

Hellscream9999 wrote:
shajaki wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:
shajaki wrote:I think Cheetor looks phenomenal. And those concerned with the rear leg kibble, the fact that three's as little as there is, astonishes me. Congrats Takara
I honestly don't think anyone is that worried about it, due to the overwhelming awesome that is this feat of engineering art
No one is raving, but it was the one common complaint so far.

I just really hope, if this line continues (I have full faith it will) that Tigatron is NOT a slight remold of this.

What about an up-scaled remold? They are nearly identical in bot mode...

Upscaled and beast parts remolded, sure ;)^

Posted: **Sat Jun 11, 2016 8:56 pm**

shajaki wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:
shajaki wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:
shajaki wrote:I think Cheetor looks phenomenal. And those concerned with the rear leg kibble, the fact that three's as little as there is, astonishes me. Congrats Takara
I honestly don't think anyone is that worried about it, due to the overwhelming awesome that is this feat of engineering art
No one is raving, but it was the one common complaint so far.

I just really hope, if this line continues (I have full faith it will) that Tigatron is NOT a slight remold of this.

What about an up-scaled remold? They are nearly identical in bot mode...
Upscaled and beast parts remolded, sure

I wonder how easy that is? Would they just increase the size of the 3d model (with changed parts) and just send that to the thingy that turns it into molds for the factory?

But until we see them side by side, we won't know if they're making them scale :-s

Posted: **Sat Jun 11, 2016 9:03 pm**

Hellscream9999 wrote:
shajaki wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:
shajaki wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:
shajaki wrote:I think Cheetor looks phenomenal. And those concerned with the rear leg kibble, the fact that three's as little as there is, astonishes me. Congrats Takara
I honestly don't think anyone is that worried about it, due to the overwhelming awesome that is this feat of engineering art
No one is raving, but it was the one common complaint so far.

I just really hope, if this line continues (I have full faith it will) that Tigatron is NOT a slight remold of this.

What about an up-scaled remold? They are nearly identical in bot mode...
Upscaled and beast parts remolded, sure

I wonder how easy that is? Would they just increase the size of the 3d model (with changed parts) and just send that to the thingy that turns it into molds for the factory?

But until we see them side by side, we won't know if they're making them scale

They could do whatever was done for Energon Megatron/Galvatron and Super Link Galvatron/Galvatron G.

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