Seibertron.com Energon Pub Forums

Deadput wrote:Besides a few characters like Overlord most characters were way to damn big in the leader size class, at least in generations, Titans Return Blaster/Soundwave being an example.

Would people really want a Shockwave or Astrotrain that was way taller then Megatron, Starscream and Soundwave?

The Leader size point also allows them to be less hollow and more solid.

I agree on most of your points, but honestly I would've loved an Astrotrain at full leader size. Since he's sometimes a transport unit for the entire Decepticon army I think it would make sense if he was a giant bruiser. I know it wouldn't be accurate to G1 but I like some more exaggerated size differences like MTMTE or Animated characters.

Love Shockwave just how he is, though.

Deadput wrote:Besides a few characters like Overlord most characters were way to damn big in the leader size class, at least in generations, Titans Return Blaster/Soundwave being an example.

Would people really want a Shockwave or Astrotrain that was way taller then Megatron, Starscream and Soundwave?

The Leader size point also allows them to be less hollow and more solid.

I didn't ask for Astrotrain to be a Leader class to begin with. Him and Shockwave are rip offs. I'm sticking with the Takara Legends Astrotrain since Spinister is the only wave 5 figure that stands out in these pictures.

Deadput wrote:Besides a few characters like Overlord most characters were way to damn big in the leader size class, at least in generations, Titans Return Blaster/Soundwave being an example.

Would people really want a Shockwave or Astrotrain that was way taller then Megatron, Starscream and Soundwave?

The Leader size point also allows them to be less hollow and more solid.

It would be nice not to have the hands the size of a toddlers to hold shockwave in gun mode, so if ended up being bigger than megatron I'd be fine with it. Same if they do Galvatron or megatron with his gun mode. Even TR six shot could have done with being a little bit bigger than he was.

The TR soundwave/blaster may be oversized (and look cool in alt mode with titans) but at least its getting value for money instead of being ripped off with siege leaders for the most part price wise.

I love the fact that Hasbro has made such a big deal about keeping characters in scale, though I am not a fan of voyager size figures being leader price points.

that said though, I love shockwave a ton, and astrotrain looks just as fantastic. so much so that I will get him and replace classics astrotrain on my shelf, which is my favorite classics figure, so thats saying something

back to scale however, astrotrain is a character who's scale seemed to fluxuate from episode to episode. like in the episode the god gambit he is huge, sometines shown much bigger then starscream, then in tripple takeover hes the same size as starscream.

this happened with Grimlock a bit too. hell, in season 3 he was the same size as rodimus is some episodes

... and now I want a new grimlock in the same scale as siege jetfire

decepticons are all about as tall as megatron. megatron and optimus were the same size, autobots were all smaller then optimus... yet somehow austobots were also the same size as the decepticons. Mass shifting isn't just for transforming (I know this isn't true across all episodes)

Pre-orders are up for Cromar and Hot Shot at Entertainment Earth:

https://www.entertainmentearth.com/prod ... ve/hse8379
https://www.entertainmentearth.com/prod ... ve/hse8376

Why didn't they just sell him as a Voyager class to begin with?.....I may not get him now now...just pass on him like I did Shockwave...I do not feel like paying 50 bucks for a Voyager class with extra parts...just like Shockwave..I feel this is a RIP off....

I guess with his car attachment he's worth the price...but I hate to see how small his bot mode is all the same. I regret Shockwave because I really don't care for his extra parts, so I'll probably be passing on Astro sadly.

Deadput wrote:Besides a few characters like Overlord most characters were way to damn big in the leader size class, at least in generations, Titans Return Blaster/Soundwave being an example.

Those leader class figures werent meant to scale with the others, just with themselves as Budget MPs. But that reminds me, now they all feel ultra redundant since I have MPs anyway, might be time to sell.

I think people are more pissed at the idea that it says leader class and isnt a big toy, regardless if it would scale or not. Might be time to revert back to 5 years ago where there was at most 1 leader class toy a year.

william-james88 wrote:

Deadput wrote:Besides a few characters like Overlord most characters were way to damn big in the leader size class, at least in generations, Titans Return Blaster/Soundwave being an example.

Those leader class figures werent meant to scale with the others, just with themselves as Budget MPs. But that reminds me, now they all feel ultra redundant since I have MPs anyway, might be time to sell.

I think people are more pissed at the idea that it says leader class and isnt a big toy, regardless if it would scale or not. Might be time to revert back to 5 years ago where there was at most 1 leader class toy a year.

I think the 50 price tag is part of the issue as well. For some reason, Magnus and Prime 'feel' like you're getting a 50 toy, whereas Shockwave and Astrotrain don't give that same 'feeling.'

I'm still getting Astrotrain, and what is saving it is that he segues into the next line. I might have to scoop up the Titans Return one to display him with Siege figures. So, I guess win for Hasbro.

$50 was too much, but I really enjoy Shockwave in “Nemesis” mode

FOR ANYONE UNABLE TO ACQUIRE A SMASHDOWN: Fret not, they're being rereleased in Wave 1 of Earthrise according to BBTS.

blackeyedprime wrote:
It would be nice not to have the hands the size of a toddlers to hold shockwave in gun mode, so if ended up being bigger than megatron I'd be fine with it. Same if they do Galvatron or megatron with his gun mode. Even TR six shot could have done with being a little bit bigger than he was.

The TR soundwave/blaster may be oversized (and look cool in alt mode with titans) but at least its getting value for money instead of being ripped off with siege leaders for the most part price wise.

Because value is based on the size of it obviously

That's why phones are the size of laptops right?

I would say that Soundwave and Blaster were not worth the money value because their worse toys then Shockwave, Shockwave's a good toy overall and I got my money's worth from it due to how often I fiddle with the guy as opposed to TR Soundwave who I fiddle with for a few days and put in a tub since there were better figures to not only fiddle with but to scale with my collection.

Deadput wrote:

blackeyedprime wrote:
It would be nice not to have the hands the size of a toddlers to hold shockwave in gun mode, so if ended up being bigger than megatron I'd be fine with it. Same if they do Galvatron or megatron with his gun mode. Even TR six shot could have done with being a little bit bigger than he was.

The TR soundwave/blaster may be oversized (and look cool in alt mode with titans) but at least its getting value for money instead of being ripped off with siege leaders for the most part price wise.

Because value is based on the size of it obviously

That's why phones are the size of laptops right?

I would say that Soundwave and Blaster were not worth the money value because their worse toys then Shockwave, Shockwave's a good toy overall and I got my money's worth from it due to how often I fiddle with the guy as opposed to TR Soundwave who I fiddle with for a few days and put in a tub since there were better figures to not only fiddle with but to scale with my collection.

I would actually argue the opposite: I feel like my Blaster and Soundwave were better deals than Shockwave. i love Shockwave, but I think that Blaster and Soundwave were more fun for the buck

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:I would actually argue the opposite: I feel like my Blaster and Soundwave were better deals than Shockwave. i love Shockwave, but I think that Blaster and Soundwave were more fun for the buck

I'm just bitter about the whole leader class debate.

I don't care what sorta box they come in, just about the quality of the figure itself, the Shockwave figure is a great representation of him and it's a shame fans write him off because he doesn't tower over the rest of the figures, maybe it would of been better if he was a voyager but honest he probably would of been slightly more hollow and such instead of being a "solid" figure.

It's not like Astrotrain is just the figure, he comes with a bunch of accessories and weapons which I feel makes up for it.

Deadput wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:I would actually argue the opposite: I feel like my Blaster and Soundwave were better deals than Shockwave. i love Shockwave, but I think that Blaster and Soundwave were more fun for the buck

I'm just bitter about the whole leader class debate.

I don't care what sorta box they come in, just about the quality of the figure itself, the Shockwave figure is a great representation of him and it's a shame fans write him off because he doesn't tower over the rest of the figures, maybe it would of been better if he was a voyager but honest he probably would of been slightly more hollow and such instead of being a "solid" figure.

It's not like Astrotrain is just the figure, he comes with a bunch of accessories and weapons which I feel makes up for it.

I agree with you on Shockwave. He's totally solid. Voyager sized, but not Voyager quality. I don't regret getting him at all. BEFORE I got him I was wary of the cheap gimmick of extra arms and legs "armor," though.

In this game, it's all about the feelz.

Nemesis Primal wrote:FOR ANYONE UNABLE TO ACQUIRE A SMASHDOWN: Fret not, they're being rereleased in Wave 1 of Earthrise according to BBTS.

I was stoked when I first heard this. Best news out of Earthrise so far

Well...lookie what I found at my local Target. Others have reported online before me today, but I think this is a first, seeing something the same day as someone else's first time sighting. No Mirage or Barricade. I think a scalper must have gotten pretty much all the others. not sure why they left one Impactor behind but oh well...Neat to see.

o.supreme wrote:Well...lookie what I found at my local Target. Others have reported online before me today, but I think this is a first, seeing something the same day as someone else's first time sighting. No Mirage or Barricade. I think a scalper must have gotten pretty much all the others. not sure why they left one Impactor behind but oh well...Neat to see.

Dammit, time to check Targets tomorrow

Right as the 4th quarter of the year begins, the 4th wave of deluxes from Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege arrive at US retail. Fellow Seibertronian O.Supreme found Impactor (Marvel UK version) at Target. There are sightings from several places in the US, all from today. It is $19.99.

o.supreme wrote:Well...lookie what I found at my local Target. Others have reported online before me today, but I think this is a first, seeing something the same day as someone else's first time sighting. No Mirage or Barricade. I think a scalper must have gotten pretty much all the others. not sure why they left one Impactor behind but oh well...Neat to see.

I went out tonight and didn’t find anything. Hopefully the next couple says they get stocked up

Ooh! I thought I got lucky getting Nightbird today at my local overpriced hobby shop. I gotta have dat Impactor.

The have also made it to the UK (amazingly).

I saw Barricade, Mirage and Impactor on the shelf in Smyth's Toys.

Ya'll must be so lucky. My Walmart is still carrying Wave 2 deluxes here. No wave 3. No Battlemasters, I only got Ultimate Grimlock & Megatron from Cyberverse. No Spark Armors. I don't have a Target in my area. I live in Laurel, Mississippi.

My jetfires due this week from Amazon UK, just got shipping notice and the toy colors refraktor is probably my fave siege figure/s so far.

For those wondering about Impactor