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Siege astrotrain is an easy skip, on the bright side I might be able to get a takara astrotrain cheap to go with the Hasbro TR one. I might pick the siege one up if it ever hits deluxe pricing just for the train mode.

So Titans Return is basically the same height as Siege Optimus Prime and Megatron.

cruizerdave wrote:And remember people, this is a “leader class” figure sold for $50. Yeah it comes with more accessories that can make it slightly taller, but this is a $50 figure compared to a $25 figure.

And it also weighs more and is much more solid then the voyager. Height isn't anything.

cruizerdave wrote:And remember people, this is a “leader class” figure sold for $50. Yeah it comes with more accessories that can make it slightly taller, but this is a $50 figure compared to a $25 figure.

THIS.....One can argue about weight or how solid it is but I feel like this is just the beginning..prices will skyrocket...

Easy pass for me just as Shockwave...even if there are more accessories....he is still just a 50 buck voyager class...

NTESHFT wrote:

cruizerdave wrote:And remember people, this is a “leader class” figure sold for $50. Yeah it comes with more accessories that can make it slightly taller, but this is a $50 figure compared to a $25 figure.

THIS.....One can argue about weight or how solid it is but I feel like this is just the beginning..prices will skyrocket...

Easy pass for me just as Shockwave...even if there are more accessories....he is still just a 50 buck voyager class...

By that reckoning, so are Ultra Magnus and Galaxy Upgrade Optimus Prime.

Again, there's more to the size class then just height. Otherwise you may as well complain that voyagers now aren't anything like they were back in the Cybertron line

ZeroWolf wrote:Again, there's more to the size class then just height. Otherwise you may as well complain that voyagers now aren't anything like they were back in the Cybertron line

Agreed. Not with the Cybertron part (because I didn't collect those), but the overall point.

I choose Cybertron because if I remember right, that's where the class designation originated.

sol magnus wrote:

NTESHFT wrote:

cruizerdave wrote:And remember people, this is a “leader class” figure sold for $50. Yeah it comes with more accessories that can make it slightly taller, but this is a $50 figure compared to a $25 figure.

THIS.....One can argue about weight or how solid it is but I feel like this is just the beginning..prices will skyrocket...

Easy pass for me just as Shockwave...even if there are more accessories....he is still just a 50 buck voyager class...

By that reckoning, so are Ultra Magnus and Galaxy Upgrade Optimus Prime.

Good point....but Prime and Magnus have almost always had that gimmick when it came to being a leader class...they still made me feel like I was getting a leader class figure....Siege Astrtrain and Shockwave don't have that effect, at least to me, if that makes any sense to you...

I think my main gripe about this is I'm worried that we will be paying 30 for deluxe, 50 for Voyager and 60 to 65 for leader class...I mean just look at how much the MP line has went up in such a short period of time. I hate that because it pretty much has knocked me out of getting them and I worry that the rest of the TF line will follow suit.

sol magnus wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Again, there's more to the size class then just height. Otherwise you may as well complain that voyagers now aren't anything like they were back in the Cybertron line

Agreed. Not with the Cybertron part (because I didn't collect those), but the overall point.

Another good point....for me, I just feel like Astrotrain and Shockwave are missing something to give me the leader class feel....it's not necessarily the height....I just can't put my finger on what it is....

Wish it wasn't so small

NTESHFT wrote:I think my main gripe about this is I'm worried that we will be paying 30 for deluxe, 50 for Voyager and 60 to 65 for leader class...I mean just look at how much the MP line has went up in such a short period of time. I hate that because it pretty much has knocked me out of getting them and I worry that the rest of the TF line will follow suit.

I think those are 2 very different cases though. MP's are strictly marketed to adult collectors. The main generations line is marketed to both collectors and kids. It is going to be hard for them to push deluxe/voyager/leader much higher than $20/$30/$50 and still pull in enough kids and casual fans to make the numbers work out.

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

NTESHFT wrote:I think my main gripe about this is I'm worried that we will be paying 30 for deluxe, 50 for Voyager and 60 to 65 for leader class...I mean just look at how much the MP line has went up in such a short period of time. I hate that because it pretty much has knocked me out of getting them and I worry that the rest of the TF line will follow suit.

I think those are 2 very different cases though. MP's are strictly marketed to adult collectors. The main generations line is marketed to both collectors and kids. It is going to be hard for them to push deluxe/voyager/leader much higher than $20/$30/$50 and still pull in enough kids and casual fans to make the numbers work out.

I think this is spot on.

NTESHFT wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

NTESHFT wrote:

cruizerdave wrote:And remember people, this is a “leader class” figure sold for $50. Yeah it comes with more accessories that can make it slightly taller, but this is a $50 figure compared to a $25 figure.

THIS.....One can argue about weight or how solid it is but I feel like this is just the beginning..prices will skyrocket...

Easy pass for me just as Shockwave...even if there are more accessories....he is still just a 50 buck voyager class...

By that reckoning, so are Ultra Magnus and Galaxy Upgrade Optimus Prime.

Good point....but Prime and Magnus have almost always had that gimmick when it came to being a leader class...they still made me feel like I was getting a leader class figure....Siege Astrtrain and Shockwave don't have that effect, at least to me, if that makes any sense to you...

I think my main gripe about this is I'm worried that we will be paying 30 for deluxe, 50 for Voyager and 60 to 65 for leader class...I mean just look at how much the MP line has went up in such a short period of time. I hate that because it pretty much has knocked me out of getting them and I worry that the rest of the TF line will follow suit.

I get what you're saying but prices always go up as the prices hasbro pay go up as well, and they have to maintain their profit margin. There's other factors as well, like how many slots they have for Voyagers, and they get full, how to handle characters like Shockwave who needs to scale?

Scale is part of the problem but its just a reaction to all the fans who have been asking for it and complaining before.

NTESHFT wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

NTESHFT wrote:

cruizerdave wrote:And remember people, this is a “leader class” figure sold for $50. Yeah it comes with more accessories that can make it slightly taller, but this is a $50 figure compared to a $25 figure.

THIS.....One can argue about weight or how solid it is but I feel like this is just the beginning..prices will skyrocket...

Easy pass for me just as Shockwave...even if there are more accessories....he is still just a 50 buck voyager class...

By that reckoning, so are Ultra Magnus and Galaxy Upgrade Optimus Prime.

Good point....but Prime and Magnus have almost always had that gimmick when it came to being a leader class...they still made me feel like I was getting a leader class figure....Siege Astrtrain and Shockwave don't have that effect, at least to me, if that makes any sense to you...

I think my main gripe about this is I'm worried that we will be paying 30 for deluxe, 50 for Voyager and 60 to 65 for leader class...I mean just look at how much the MP line has went up in such a short period of time. I hate that because it pretty much has knocked me out of getting them and I worry that the rest of the TF line will follow suit.

I made this point a few pages back. Ultra Magnus and GU Prime "feel" like they're worth the 50 spot whereas Astrotrain and Shockwave 'don't necessarily.'

I have no qualms, he looks pretty good. Tbh scale in G1 was a mess. Anyone who thinks otherwise and has a titans return sentinel prime to trade can have my TR Astrotrain.

Problem is, I'd be displaying him next to TR Blitzwing and Octane.If he were a head taller than them I'd bite, but instead he's a head shorter.

$50 deluxe

Short Circuit wrote:I have no qualms, he looks pretty good. Tbh scale in G1 was a mess. Anyone who thinks otherwise and has a titans return sentinel prime to trade can have my TR Astrotrain.

Don't get me wrong...both Siege Astrotrain and Shockwave do look good as a figure themselves....I wish they would have just put them on the shelves as simply Voyager....and looking back...the G1 scale was indeed a mess...but back then, I was just a kid overly happy to get my Transformers...I try not to worry about scale today but OCD takes over and I hate that...takes the enjoyment out of it.....

NTESHFT wrote:Don't get me wrong...both Siege Astrotrain and Shockwave do look good as a figure themselves....I wish they would have just put them on the shelves as simply Voyager....and looking back...the G1 scale was indeed a mess...but back then, I was just a kid overly happy to get my Transformers...I try not to worry about scale today but OCD takes over and I hate that...takes the enjoyment out of it.....

I feel. I still get that childlike wonder myself so just having a representation of a character is fine for me. Since all my G1 stand ins are from different lines I’ve just learned to cope with the size disparity, but I have to say, when some of the more complex figures (and sometimes the simple ones) won’t fit together right, it drives me batty. I photo cars all day so seeing a messed up body panel in an alt mode... ooooooo

The increasing prices are a bit worrying though.

Forgetting the minutiae of a long dead 80's cartoon, that should be largely redundant to a 2019 toyline, the Decepticon Triple Changers should all be BIG, due to their nature. Blitzwing should realistically be the smallest of the three based on his altmodes. Scaling with the rank and file of Decepticon Jets. Octane and Astrotrain should loom over most bots, including Megatron. It makes very little sense, even with the idea of mass displacement, to justify one but who can Transform into an Airliner and another, a train and crew carrying space shuttle, being the height or build of regular bots.

Thickness or not, that is where TR Astrotrain is superior to the new one, before they've even been released.

For those who live near a Walgreens, has anyone seen Deluxe Ratchet yet? Is it actually out/ Because I'm seeing no listings for it on Ebay and my usual go-to websites like Kapow Toys don't have listings for him.

Munkky wrote:For those who live near a Walgreens, has anyone seen Deluxe Ratchet yet? Is it actually out/ Because I'm seeing no listings for it on Ebay and my usual go-to websites like Kapow Toys don't have listings for him.

I checked my local store last week, but no sign of him.

Munkky wrote:For those who live near a Walgreens, has anyone seen Deluxe Ratchet yet? Is it actually out/ Because I'm seeing no listings for it on Ebay and my usual go-to websites like Kapow Toys don't have listings for him.

Walgreens doesn't put out their exclusives like this until closer to the holiday season.

Munkky wrote:For those who live near a Walgreens, has anyone seen Deluxe Ratchet yet? Is it actually out/ Because I'm seeing no listings for it on Ebay and my usual go-to websites like Kapow Toys don't have listings for him.

I've had a pre-order with him for a while and his listing went from Aug '19 to 'Q4 '19'. I checked on here and the consensus seems to be he has been held back until either Black Friday or Thanksgiving... Whichever holiday comes first? Although, oddly Canada already has him