Rodimus Prime wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:I did say 'should' and not 'is.'
Oh, really? Let's just double-check that shall we?
Rodimus Prime wrote:frogbat wrote:I would've had sludge as a second voyager or even leader and he'd served as the body of vulcanicus
I had been saying that since their release. Just because Grimlock is the leader, doesn't mean he
has to be the torso!
Sludge was bigger anyway! Besides, Grimlock makes a horrible torso.
Technically you said "was", but the principle is the same.
You're picking the wrong statement. We're not talking about what I said to someone else, we're talking about
our conversation.
...Excuse me?
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:frogbat wrote:I would've had sludge as a second voyager or even leader and he'd served as the body of vulcanicus
I had been saying that since their release. Just because Grimlock is the leader, doesn't mean he
has to be the torso! Sludge was bigger anyway! Besides, Grimlock makes a horrible torso.
1a. Grimlock does
not make a horrible torso.
1b. Even if you made Sludge the torso it likely wouldn't change the engineering significantly.
2. Sludge was bigger... but not by much:
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:Zelda wrote:2. Sludge was bigger... but not by much:
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They were made the same size for sales purposes. A brontosaurus is much bigger than a T-Rex. This size difference should have made Sludge the obvious torso. But of course I'm campaigning for accurate scale, and we know the Transformers Universe frowns upon such common sense things.
Yes, a brontosaurus is much bigger than a T. rex. But that
does not automatically mean "Sludge
is much bigger than Grimlock", which is what you had said. Now, if you had said "should be" you might have had a point (though one I'd still debate). But nope, you said "is" and (with the possible exception of IDW, I'm not sure) that just isn't the case with their G1 incarnations. Honestly, the G1 Dinobots kinda have the Beast Wars thing going on of the altmode being scaled to the robot rather than the other way 'round. And why do they necessarily need to match the sizes of the millennia-extinct animals their alternate modes are machines in the rough image of? They'd blend in about as well as Ben Grimm either way
I was going on about your statement of "Sludge was bigger anyway!" in both those posts, because as far as the G1 toys
and most G1 fiction goes it's such a huge load of cesium salami that I got a tad hung up on it. And I took your saying "They were made the same size for sales purposes. A brontosaurus is much bigger than a T-Rex." as arguments defending that statement. My apologies for misunderstanding.
Rodimus Prime wrote:But nice try.
I told
you Sludge should have been bigger, as the reasoning for why I picked him over Grimlock to be the torso.
I did still manage to respond to this despite being hung up on the other thing. This is what "Honestly, the G1 Dinobots kinda have the Beast Wars thing going on of the altmode being scaled to the robot rather than the other way 'round. And why do they necessarily need to match the sizes of the millennia-extinct animals their alternate modes are machines in the rough image of?" was a response to.
Rodimus Prime wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:And these are not G1 incarnations. These are Power of the Primes. In G1, the Dinobots didn't combine, another point I made.
I meant that they're the same characters. And the PotP toys are
very heavily based on the G1 designs.
The 4 limb Dinobots, yes. Grimlock? Not so much.
No, Grimlock too. His transformation engineering was tweaked to accommodate the torso mode, but he still takes most of his design cues and sculpted details from the original toy (I'm quite familiar with the original - own it, have frequently played with it, have even customized it), and he's definitely deco'd to evoke it.
Rodimus Prime wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:As for Scramble City, the Dinobots weren't included in that concept to begin with, so they shouldn't be forced into it now.
By that logic rather a lot of PotP and CW Deluxe and Voyagers are invalid
The Combiner Wars story taking place in official fiction validates most of them. I don't recall the Dinobots being a part of it as a combining group.
It validates Sunstreaker, Ironhide, Mirage, Prowl, Optimus, and Sky Lynx. Hound, Trailbreaker, Smokescreen, and Cyclonus? Not so much. You're right that it doesn't validate the Dinobots as a combining group, but gee... might that have something to do with the fact that it, y'know, antedates Power of the Primes?
My point still stands.
How so? You said the Combiner Wars story "validates most of them" ("them" presumably being characters who were made into modernized SC combiner members when they weren't SC combiner members originally), but it doesn't. It doesn't validate
any of the non-Terrorcon PotP voyagers and deluxes (of which there are 14, not counting Punch/Counterpunch since he's not a limb), and it doesn't even validate
all the CW instances (it only validates six of them, four are left out in the cold). That's six it validates versus eighteen it doesn't.
And that's not even getting into Earth Wars or the PotP web series, both of which feature Volcanicus.
Rodimus Prime wrote:Still think it's a dumpsterfire even after finding out you were transforming the arms wrong, huh?
Yes. How far back did you have to dig to come up with that?
Didn't need to dig, it was something that stuck in my mind.