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Sabrblade wrote:

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:

Downbeat wrote:Voting female, and hoping to convince other people to vote female. There's so few female Transformers as is, and he or she is going to end up in the IDW comics, where the only female transformer is Arcee, and only because of a Jhiaxus experiment!

I am with you on this. I mean, for the last 30 years, the only "strictly female" figures that gave us strong female characters were tied to Beast Wars and Prime. I mean Generation One, especially Binaltech, only gave us characters that were molded from male characters. And every other series gave us an Ariel/Arcee that was either just there or created to give the males moral support.

Energon Arcee/Super Link Ariel was a strong-willed leader type (in the cartoon, that is).

However, in her introduction, they stated that she was solely created to boost the morale of the other male Omnibots. Which is, ironically, the one reason why I was planning to buy her Medic variant... Up until the point they announced the "Arms Micron" version of Arcee.

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:I am with you on this. I mean, for the last 30 years, the only "strictly female" figures that gave us strong female characters were tied to Beast Wars and Prime. I mean Generation One, especially Binaltech, only gave us characters that were molded from male characters. And every other series gave us an Ariel/Arcee that was either just there or created to give the males moral support.

On top of what Sabrblade said, Prime Arcee's rather strong-willed and determined (especially when it comes to her annoying revenge arc). She was Optimus' third choice for the "bot-in-charge" behind Ratchet before Ultra Magnus came along, so she's trustworthy in the position of leadership. She can be male moral support, and certainly takes a "motherly" position at times, but that's to small extents.

ROTF Arcee and her sisters were the biggest offenders to the fembot concept. Bleh.

PrymeStriker wrote:

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:I am with you on this. I mean, for the last 30 years, the only "strictly female" figures that gave us strong female characters were tied to Beast Wars and Prime. I mean Generation One, especially Binaltech, only gave us characters that were molded from male characters. And every other series gave us an Ariel/Arcee that was either just there or created to give the males moral support.

On top of what Sabrblade said, Prime Arcee's rather strong-willed and determined (especially when it comes to her annoying revenge arc). She was Optimus' third choice for the "bot-in-charge" behind Ratchet before Ultra Magnus came along, so she's trustworthy in the position of leadership. She can be male moral support, and certainly takes a "motherly" position at times, but that's to small extents.

ROTF Arcee and her sisters were the biggest offenders to the fembot concept. Bleh.

He did mention Prime, which includes Prime Arcee.

I really like Airachnid. I think she is one of the coolest post-G1 characters to come along.

warzon3 wrote:I really like Airachnid. I think she is one of the coolest post-G1 characters to come along.

I'm quite looking forward to her being let out!

PrymeStriker wrote:

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:I am with you on this. I mean, for the last 30 years, the only "strictly female" figures that gave us strong female characters were tied to Beast Wars and Prime. I mean Generation One, especially Binaltech, only gave us characters that were molded from male characters. And every other series gave us an Ariel/Arcee that was either just there or created to give the males moral support.

On top of what Sabrblade said, Prime Arcee's rather strong-willed and determined (especially when it comes to her annoying revenge arc). She was Optimus' third choice for the "bot-in-charge" behind Ratchet before Ultra Magnus came along, so she's trustworthy in the position of leadership. She can be male moral support, and certainly takes a "motherly" position at times, but that's to small extents.

ROTF Arcee and her sisters were the biggest offenders to the fembot concept. Bleh.

Ummmm... *poker face*

Like Sabr said, I did mention that incarnation of Arcee. Plus, following trends based on the vast number of manga and anime characters, her character aspect is similar to that of a main/major character. Borderline on Claymore, as that was nothing more than atypical to the more generic Shonen formulae. Specifically, replace all the male characters with upgrades and enhancements... And you have either/both a manga series and/or anime series starring Arcee. But they, instead, went with the Rouroni Kenshin approach and allowed the more powerful character (or characters) take center stage. Either way, I love it and she has ended up being the only incarnation I would not change.

Also, while the "Bayverse" itself has many levels of offensive. However, it did not create the "Binaltech" incarnation of Arcee, which was based on a very masculine looking mold. And her story stated she was disposable, but still was saved. "Animated" Arcee (which resulted in my returning to this hobby, and is tied to why I own "Arms Micron" Arcee) was a potentially great character that was wasted on a drab series (A coma? Really?). Then there is "IDW" Arcee who was forced to get a Cybertronian sex change... All because Simon Furman once said he hated the fembots, but added her because that is what the fans wanted. But beyond that, all of the larger G1 figures were repaints of male characters, and one that could have been a female was... In turn... Used as a male figure.

Hence why I voted female. Because the first female figure did not debut until Masterforce, and that was a redeco/repaint of Nightbeat. We would not see a collection worthy female character until Beast Wars... Then have forgettable figures... And be reminded again of how great it is to collect fembots in Prime. So back to seeing if I can vote today!

I forgot about one other strong female character not from BW or Prime: Strika.

Marissa Fairborne was pretty cool. Not a fembot, of course, probably, but the G1 cartoon did manage to make her more than a damsel, and give her a more interesting character in S3 than Carly...who basically just hung around in the background looking stalker-y.

craggy wrote:Marissa Fairborne was pretty cool. Not a fembot, of course, probably, but the G1 cartoon did manage to make her more than a damsel, and give her a more interesting character in S3 than Carly...who basically just hung around in the background looking stalker-y.

Pfft, you should see her in Kiss Players...

I've heard about Gene Simmons Megatron, thats all I need to know to know to say far away.

darnit! I wanna see this whole Kiss Players thing. I tried to get a hold of teh collected book that was at the con years ago, but it vanished before I bought one. Anyone have an archive or collected set of the stuff online? PM me!

craggy wrote:I've heard about Gene Simmons Megatron, thats all I need to know to know to say far away.

That wasn't Megatron. He was Galvatron by that point in the timeline. That was a Legion.

Sabrblade wrote:

craggy wrote:I've heard about Gene Simmons Megatron, thats all I need to know to know to say far away.

That wasn't Megatron. He was Galvatron by that point in the timeline. That was a Legion.

Still too much information.

craggy wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

craggy wrote:I've heard about Gene Simmons Megatron, thats all I need to know to know to say far away.

That wasn't Megatron. He was Galvatron by that point in the timeline. That was a Legion.

Still too much information.

Honestly, take away all the skeevy stuff (and there is a LOT of it, but take it ALL away), and the story's not all that bad.

Part 1 deals with Galvatron post-TFTM crash-landing in Tokyo and devastating it upon impact, which spurs the formation of the EDC, who begins an anti-Transformer campaign to remove all TFs off of Earth, while any who don't leave are hunted down by agents partnered with Autoroopers, while the recently-revived Optimus and his human ally Marissa Faireborn are on the run as fugitives. Meanwhile, the ex-Rodimus Hot Rod and his human ally also hunt Optimus, believing him to be an impostor since Hot Rod watched Optimus die in TFTM's events not too long ago. Behind-the-scenes, a sadistic plot is afoot within the confines of the EDC, as its head plans something life-costing and insane, yet sympathetic, that could lead to disaster, and involves playing God with human life.

Part 2 deals with the former EDC Kiss Player girls having formed a music group be encountered by a mysterious trio of TFs called the Sparkbots, who whisks away the girls and Brave Maximus (who was assisting them with their music tour) on a time-hopping trip throughout space and time as they hunt to collect fragments of what they believe to be the "AllSpark". But, all is not what it seems as their journey leads to divine intervention by Primus himself trying to stop them. It's multiversal madness as characters from all series and universes make cameo appearances and continuity errors get retconned and resolved in this dimension-hopping adventure.

And that's all forgoing the skeevy stuff, which was mostly just perverted fanservice.

Sabrblade wrote:And that's all forgoing the skeevy stuff, which was mostly just perverted fanservice.

Don't forget "straight-up disturbing".

Mindmaster wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:And that's all forgoing the skeevy stuff, which was mostly just perverted fanservice.

Don't forget "straight-up disturbing".

I figured that went without saying.

(In my mind, I see "perverted fanservice" as being "straight-up disturbing").