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Posted: **Tue Apr 20, 2021 6:50 pm**

-Kanrabat- wrote:
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:-Oh, G1 Powermasters, all 7. I think the 3 Autobot ones go under the radar some, but the whole subgroup is awesome. Love them.

Cheater.
Who is the one you like the most among these that you know "everyone hate"?
Because I never heard of the Powermasters being generally hated.

Movie 1 Dreadwing is my favorite this is nigh universally hated, that's the answer.

I don't even think the powermasters themselves are hated, at least not like the action masters, but the 3 little autobot ones are definitely on the raw end of the noticed and loved scale

Posted: **Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:11 pm**

ShadowBlaze wrote:Honourable Mention: Fall of Cybertron Jazz. I wouldn't call him a favourite, but I always felt he was a decent figure, and I never understood the vitriol he received. I don't know if the blue head and fists were an intentional homage to the old comics, but I think they look fine, and I don't think it's a bad Cybertronian take on a character whose toys have almost always had Earth-inspired alt-modes.

Good on you to love that Jazz, but I really hate that GARBAGE with passion. He's the embodiment, the avatar of Hasbro going cheap. At that time instead of increasing the price of the toys, Hasbro decided to cut corners instead. So that Jazz is extremely small, barely any paint apps, plus it's hollow and soft like a disposable yogurt cup. To add insult to injury, there was a huge "explosive" text pointing out that HE COME WITH HIS GUUUUUUUUN!!!.......The tiniest gun ever.

This FOC Jazz should be renamed **** Jazz because that's all he deserve... along with a forefront spot in my Jazz collection in my living room... uh...

I hate the thing, yes. But it's the only representative of his cybertronian form and for the reasons I mention, this toy is too important for the Transformers History to ever get rid of. Either by selling, or storing away, or even to be placed in the "overflow" room.

No, really.

Posted: **Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:15 pm**

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Movie 1 Dreadwing is my favorite this is nigh universally hated, that's the answer.

You're not alone with this one.

Posted: **Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:24 pm**

having a hard time thinking of some. All the toys I like are generally liked as well. And the universally hated toys are the ones I hate too.

Posted: **Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:36 pm**

william-james88 wrote:having a hard time thinking of some. All the toys I like are generally liked as well. And the universally hated toys are the ones I hate too.

You really don't have a single "ugly duckling" in your collection? :-?

Posted: **Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:14 pm**

-Kanrabat- wrote:
william-james88 wrote:having a hard time thinking of some. All the toys I like are generally liked as well. And the universally hated toys are the ones I hate too.

You really don't have a single "ugly duckling" in your collection?

Not really, they all stayed ugly and never became Swans. I mean I know the voyager Megs mold from Prime was hated, and I dislike it too. But I like the Beast Hunters retool but many others like it too. So my opinion is usually the same as the general public. I guess that's why people are generally ok with my lists.

Maybe MP Ravage? I don't know if that toy is really hated a lot, but I know I don't mind him.

Oh wait, I know, I like the TR voyager Optimus mold.
And I like CW Motormaster

Posted: **Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:30 pm**

Why do you like CW Motormaster?

I mean, I like him as Motormaster. But not as a torso. Same deal?

There are other molds I like that others hate. Not love, but I like them.

Classics Grimlock:
Yeah, he's too small. He doesn't look like G1 Grimlock either. But I like his reverse transformation. I had a lot of fun just transforming him back and forth with no trouble. And I like his color scheme too. The only thing that doesn't work for him is his size, something that can be said for other Classics 1.0 toys.

Posted: **Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:39 pm**

Gauntlet101010 wrote:Why do you like CW Motormaster?

I mean, I like him as Motormaster. But not as a torso. Same deal?

For the torso, the only bit I don't like are the leg ratchets. They feel uneven. But for the rest, I am ok. ANd yeah, I like him (and preffer him) as motormaster.

Posted: **Wed Apr 21, 2021 3:04 am**

william-james88 wrote:
Gauntlet101010 wrote:Why do you like CW Motormaster?

I mean, I like him as Motormaster. But not as a torso. Same deal?

For the torso, the only bit I don't like are the leg ratchets. They feel uneven. But for the rest, I am ok. ANd yeah, I like him (and preffer him) as motormaster.

Now THAT'S an unpopular opinion! ;)^

Posted: **Wed Apr 21, 2021 8:12 am**

I agree, though.

I hate Motormaster as a torso and use a 3P upgrade to make it decent. But as a stand alone bot he works well. Better than the OP version because of his hulking proportions and his kind of mean looking vehicle mode.

Posted: **Wed Apr 21, 2021 2:33 pm**

I have the G2 Menasor boxset along with the PE upgrades, which he DEFINITELY needs to not be an unspeakably crap torso. However- as a standalone Transformer he's fun as hell. Just a big chunky truck lad, with a surprisingly neat transformation.

2007 Dreadwing was a childhood favourite of mine. Loved that guy! Never knew he was disliked. Payload I know was rather panned, but I honestly really liked him too. Yeah the plunger was egregiously, uh, egregious, but the gimmick was fun enough I could forgive it, and he was in all other respects a damn fine robot.

I think another one I'd vote for is CW Liokaiser. Yeah, he's not a very good Liokaiser, like, at all (even aside from the copout with the torso, Killbison is the wrong kind of tank) but in his own right he's an impressive looking gestalt, and the extra shoulder articulation afforded by his transformation makes him one of the most dynamic combiners ever. Admittedly I haven't watched Victory so my attachment to the character is limited, though.

Posted: **Wed Apr 21, 2021 3:15 pm**

-Kanrabat- wrote:
william-james88 wrote:having a hard time thinking of some. All the toys I like are generally liked as well. And the universally hated toys are the ones I hate too.

You really don't have a single "ugly duckling" in your collection?

I'm in a similar situation. When I was younger, there were some toys I liked that my general peers didn't care for (Original Skylynx comes to mind), but over time, it seems the fandom in general has come to like pretty much what I like (and a lot more).

I'll throw 2 ideas out there, just because I know *some* have expressed their displeasure, but I don't know if they are universally hated:

1. The original Omega Supreme (1985) &
2. Generations PotP Volcanicus (2018)

If it's found that these two don't have a universal level of hate, then I'm out I guess.

Posted: **Wed Apr 21, 2021 3:40 pm**

o.supreme wrote:1. The original Omega Supreme (1985) &
2. Generations PotP Volcanicus (2018)

Never heard any "hate" toward these. Flawed, definitely. But no real "hate" ever.

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I really want to make a TOP TEN list, but it's looking more and more like a TOP FIVE so far. :-?

I don't know when I'll be able to make the official list and news it but I'll let the pot boil for a while longer.

Anymore oddballs out there who have genuine love for a real stinker?

Posted: **Wed Apr 21, 2021 5:54 pm**

I don't think there's hate for Omega Supreme, but there may be towards Volcanicus. Although I bought the PotP Dinos I think they were only okay. I'm definitely glad we're getting new ones.

Posted: **Wed Apr 21, 2021 7:40 pm**

Stalker.

Apparently a lot of people think he's a brick (they never seem to complain about MW Soundwave though ...) and pick on his colours but they're just wrong and clearly don't have one in their collection because if they did then they'd see how awesome he is.

Posted: **Wed Apr 21, 2021 8:06 pm**

Burn wrote:Stalker.

Apparently a lot of people think he's a brick (they never seem to complain about MW Soundwave though ...) and pick on his colours but they're just wrong and clearly don't have one in their collection because if they did then they'd see how awesome he is.

the one from G1?
He have the funky early '90s colors but he's all right. MW Soundwave is more "serious" and may be "better" because of it, but at least Stalker have his gimmick intact. I don't know if he's genuinely "hated" though. :-?

I love my MW Soundwave and I wouldn't mind a G1 Stalker.

Posted: **Wed Apr 21, 2021 10:44 pm**

-Kanrabat- wrote:
Burn wrote:Stalker.

Apparently a lot of people think he's a brick (they never seem to complain about MW Soundwave though ...) and pick on his colours but they're just wrong and clearly don't have one in their collection because if they did then they'd see how awesome he is.

the one from G1?
He have the funky early '90s colors but he's all right. MW Soundwave is more "serious" and may be "better" because of it, but at least Stalker have his gimmick intact. I don't know if he's genuinely "hated" though.

I love my MW Soundwave and I wouldn't mind a G1 Stalker.

"the one from G1?"
"he's all right"
"MW Soundwave ... "better""
You sound like a hater.

Posted: **Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:00 am**

Burn wrote:
"the one from G1?"
"he's all right"
"MW Soundwave ... "better""
You sound like a hater.

If you want to hear how I sound when I truly hate a toy, just look up for my rant about FOC Jazz a few posts above.

The list is beginning to take shape.

Posted: **Thu Apr 22, 2021 9:05 am**

Speaking of FOC Jazz, I have one that might count, maybe as an honorable mention?

FOC Sideswipe. I did love that toy up until the Siege version came out, so that is where he might be disqualified. The reason I loved that crappy mold is simple, he's Sideswipe. G1 Sideswipe was my first TF that wasn't a mini-bot and I saved up and bought him myself, so he will always have a place in my heart.

For years FOC sideswipe was the only option, so I loved him by default, even with those crappy shoulders and ridiculously oversized gun he couldn't hold up.

Posted: **Thu Apr 22, 2021 9:20 am**

TF-fan kev777 wrote:For years FOC sideswipe was the only option, so I loved him by default, even with those crappy shoulders and ridiculously oversized gun he couldn't hold up.

That huge gun is his redeeming quality. And strangely, there was no "COME WITH HIS GUN!" on the packaging. :lol:

Posted: **Thu Apr 22, 2021 11:23 am**

-Kanrabat- wrote:
TF-fan kev777 wrote:For years FOC sideswipe was the only option, so I loved him by default, even with those crappy shoulders and ridiculously oversized gun he couldn't hold up.

That huge gun is his redeeming quality. And strangely, there was no "COME WITH HIS GUN!" on the packaging.

Makes me wonder if they put that on Jazz's packaging just so people wouldn't miss it. There is NO missing Sideswipes gun.

Posted: **Fri Apr 23, 2021 7:36 am**

Gauntlet101010 wrote:Unpopular opinions thread? I'm down.

Henkei Galvatron. Everyone hates you buy me. I know he's fiddly. I know he's hard to stand. I know he should have been a voyager and I'm glad we're getting Kingdom Galvatron too. But I still appreciate what we got in Henkei Galvy. I like the colours. I like the alt mode with his orange cannon poking out. I even like the transforation - it takes a while to get used to, but it can be fun.

I like the clear ehobby version the best. That set with the Platinum Cyclonus, Scourge, and Sweep set make a really nice reformatting scene. At some point I'll transform green Unicron and put him with them to have the full effect.

Similarly everyone hates the Classics Hot Rod mold, but I'm a huge fan of it. I think the vehicle mode is sleek and a great update to the G1 original. I also like the robot mode. I never had the same problem other people had with it. I think it looks great and fit in really well with the other 86 Autobots released at the time.

Studio is better, I grant you. And I'm happy we have a new version of this guy as well; I'm a huge Hot Rod fan. But I still like the Henkei release.

Of all the Hot Rod figures, I think he has the best alt mode by far.

Posted: **Sat Apr 24, 2021 1:51 am**

Burn wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:
Burn wrote:Stalker.

Apparently a lot of people think he's a brick (they never seem to complain about MW Soundwave though ...) and pick on his colours but they're just wrong and clearly don't have one in their collection because if they did then they'd see how awesome he is.

the one from G1?
He have the funky early '90s colors but he's all right. MW Soundwave is more "serious" and may be "better" because of it, but at least Stalker have his gimmick intact. I don't know if he's genuinely "hated" though.

I love my MW Soundwave and I wouldn't mind a G1 Stalker.

"the one from G1?"
"he's all right"
"MW Soundwave ... "better""
You sound like a hater.

This is Burn

Emerje

Posted: **Sat Apr 24, 2021 3:36 am**

Emerje wrote:This is Burn

Hater.

But funny.

Posted: **Sat Apr 24, 2021 7:14 am**

Burn wrote:
Emerje wrote:This is Burn

Hater.
But funny.

Goddammit, Burn. I'm about to spend 150$CAN is it will be your fault. :-(

Gimme some fruity bot!

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