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Starscream6 wrote:

Razorclaw0000 wrote:

Starscream6 wrote:im sure the quality of the hasbro version wont be as good.

I'm sorry, but stuff like this really bothers me. These toys are made in the SAME factories, by the same people. Just because TakaraTomy is footing the bill, instead of Hasbro, does not mysteriously increase the quality or reduce errors. TakaraTomy is not some magical entity that creates perfect toys.

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Misconceptions_a ... mers#Other

I don't want to pick on this, but it's a bigoted misconception with a holier-than-thou attitude that I'm just tired of.

woah man! bigoted?

far from it! im basing my statement on facts. i own the orignal MP skywarp AND the walmart starscream. now, screamer is of good quality the skywarp is superior. plastic durability, paint aps, the non dumbed down sharp points. they all are better. i have also heard the same about the new MP walmart skywarp.

i also own several henkei versions of classics figs that share these same positives.

now hopefully i will be wrong about Grimlock but i had to throw out MY opinion based on MY experiences.

i in no way tried to convey a "holier than tho attitude"

I do believe a perfectly valid question is this: "Will the Hasbro release have all the details of the Takara version?" Will it have chrome teeth or painted? Metal or plastic toes? Will the claws on the T-rex arms be as pointy. There's nothing wrong with asking that question. Given past history, it's possible that some of these things won't be the same.

and one note on quality.. I don't think that anyone can argue that Takara/Tomy's Encore G1 Prime isn't vastly superior to the G1 Prime Hasbro released last year...

Starscream6 wrote:

Razorclaw0000 wrote:

Starscream6 wrote:im sure the quality of the hasbro version wont be as good.

I'm sorry, but stuff like this really bothers me. These toys are made in the SAME factories, by the same people. Just because TakaraTomy is footing the bill, instead of Hasbro, does not mysteriously increase the quality or reduce errors. TakaraTomy is not some magical entity that creates perfect toys.

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Misconceptions_a ... mers#Other

I don't want to pick on this, but it's a bigoted misconception with a holier-than-thou attitude that I'm just tired of.

woah man! bigoted?

far from it! im basing my statement on facts. i own the orignal MP skywarp AND the walmart starscream. now, screamer is of good quality the skywarp is superior. plastic durability, paint aps, the non dumbed down sharp points. they all are better. i have also heard the same about the new MP walmart skywarp.

i also own several henkei versions of classics figs that share these same positives.

now hopefully i will be wrong about Grimlock but i had to throw out MY opinion based on MY experiences.

i in no way tried to convey a "holier than tho attitude"

I own essentially every Classics & Henkei figure.

While Henkei figures often have superior paint application or color choice, the materials they use to produce the toys is exactly the same.

There are no quality differences.

I also own every Masterpiece figure and their US counterparts.

There are NO quality differences between comparible figures. The US Starscream and Japanese Starscream are made from the same materials with the same production quality. (The safety differences about sharp points put aside as those don't have anything to do with quality)

There is a difference between ANY version of Starscream and Skywarp. All versions of Starscream, US and Japanese, appear to use a less dense plastic when compared to Skywarp.

Build/Construction/Plastic quality is always the same, the toys are made in the same places with the same molds.

Paint apps and color choices are always suspect and the superior version often depends on the eye of the beholder.

I already have mine, so I'm not re-buying him, but this is good news for those that still need him.

i suppose i couldve worded my statement differently, but i dint feel like typing out all the points of possible differences of the two, as i had just woken up and was excited to see this news.

my experiences may differ from others and may also include my own personal opinion.

i try to keep my posts unbiased and honest based on facts as well as sharing my own experiences. and i do so by respecting others opinions and w/o attacking anyone else and hurling insulting labels.

i can only say i hope such a wonderful mold isnt done any injustice w/ inferior quality control, plastic, or paint apps. hes an amazing figure and i would hate to see that happen.

I own the Takara one, but applaud the descion. If (big if) they choose to release the "X" version, in the Marvel Comic colours, I'll be all over that like a cheap suit

RodimusConvoy13 wrote:This is cool. I already have the Takara release, but I will pick up a Hasbro release so I can have both robot and dino mode. Hopefully it looks just as good as the Takara version. I'm really hoping for a Target exclusive, as they are easier to find than Walmart exclusives for me. We'll see. My guess is it'll be Walmart since both Starscream and Skywarp have been.

Damn you Rc13...now I have to buy both ...I was kicking myself for JUST ordering the takara, for 3x the price(??)

Ravage XK wrote:If he is exactly the same, then thats the last Masterpiece figure I will be buying from Takara. I dont think im going to continue to pay more than double just for a nice black box!!

I think it's safe to say the dino-claws will differ at the very least...I can't see them being that sharp from Hasbro. But I agree, whatever the minor differences, I can't imagine they'll be worth $100 difference. It's good that people will be able to get him at a reasonable price now, but I don't feel too good about having paid $160 after shipping. I too will probably just wait the next time around...especially if the price-point is going to be $150 for the Takara release. Grimlock just wasn't worth that.

Wonder if Black Convoy will get a US release? My luck they'd change the insignia and make it Nemesis Prime so I'd have to buy it again...

Kibble wrote:Wonder if Black Convoy will get a US release? My luck they'd change the insignia and make it Nemesis Prime so I'd have to buy it again...

Don't give them ideas!

Personally I was suprised we didn't see MP-Megas painted purple and his name changed to something starting with "G", he is (so far) the only MP toy not to have been re-painted...

*sighs* Love that feeling. I saved myself from over spending on a buyer's remorse figure at the "low" price of $150.00 by being patient and waiting for Hasbro to cave and whore the mold out for more money.

$60.00 for Grimmy? Not a bad price. I can deal with that. Clearly worth that.

Just not double that...and then some.

Optimal_Z wrote:SWEET!!!!! Hopefully it's a Walmart exclusive, so it keeps the price tag of $49.99.

I seriously doubt MP Grimlock will be that cheap (not that $50 is cheap for a ultra-class toy as OP SS was). Since I bet Hasbro knows it'll make a killing on MP Grimlock, I'm sure he'll cost the same or nearly the same as MP OP.

i believe my 20th ann. dvd MP Prime was originally 79.99 ......i wouldnt doubt if Grims was closer to that price point

I'll throw my guess as $69.88 and also say we'll get the crown, but made out of flexible plastic, and get Marvel comic colors.

txex97 wrote:

Optimal_Z wrote:SWEET!!!!! Hopefully it's a Walmart exclusive, so it keeps the price tag of $49.99.

I seriously doubt MP Grimlock will be that cheap (not that $50 is cheap for a ultra-class toy as OP SS was). Since I bet Hasbro knows it'll make a killing on MP Grimlock, I'm sure he'll cost the same or nearly the same as MP OP.

Starscream6 wrote:i believe my 20th ann. dvd MP Prime was originally 79.99 ......i wouldnt doubt if Grims was closer to that price point

^^ This.

Anyone thinking this will be $50 is dreaming. $69 at a minimum. I'd hope they'd do what they did with 20th OP and have it at all chains and not an exclusive of any sort. But if any, I'd vote for Target. =)

Grimlock's smaller than Optimus and Megatron, maybe just a tad bit bigger than Starscream (or he could be smaller...it's been a while since I've looked at the galleries) and some of his accessories will most likely be removed (the serving tray with the cups and whatnot) which will help bring his price down.

I sincerely doubt he'll be $70.00

I think we'll see him for about $60.00

Oh, and he's predominately plastic, I think only a few pieces are made die cast (thankfully), which will keep the costs down as well.

I expect he'll be $80-100.

If you think they're afriad to hit that price point, please reference RotF Devastator.

Nice, now I don't have to set aside a good chunk of my next toyshow budget.

Ha! Not that the scalpers won't be all over both this and US MP Skywarp.

Excellent, now I have a backup plan in case my girlfriend doesn't get me MP Grimlock for Christmas.

As long as the scalpers don't get them all, like they did with MP Skywarp... showed up in several Walmarts in the area, down to half stock by the end of the first day, and sold out halfway through the second. Jerks buying 3 or 4 at a time, to sell on eBay.

On the price point: MP Skywarp was just at Canadian Walmarts for $59.92, which puts the US price tag at $49. I'd say there's a good chance they'd do the same for Grimlock, but they might charge a little more due to inflation or slightly bigger size or whatnot. Considering the seekers use at least as much plastic for the stand and such, I can't see why they would need to charge significantly more.

This is great news !!! All masterpiece figures should be available in USA retail because this highly detailed line is the ultimate homage to G1 characters and should be accessible to all Transformers fans wheather they are serious collectors or not. Much respect to Hasbro for bringing us this one....

I couldnt afford the Takara version, but he was the first Masterpiece I actually felt bad for not being able to buy. I was always more of a Dinobot lover than Prime lover (granted, i do love Optimus Prime, I just don't need his Masterpiece Toy when I have so many of him already). Considering my G1 Grimlock is missing his dinosaur head and is in need of other repairs and new accesories, I am super excited to have one of my fave guys from G1 available stateside.

Okay, and, this may seem stupid, but the US Masterpieces have retained all the Die-Cast pieces of the Takara versions, and all the gimmicks right? They just dont have as many paint apps?

NuclearConvoy wrote:I couldnt afford the Takara version, but he was the first Masterpiece I actually felt bad for not being able to buy. I was always more of a Dinobot lover than Prime lover (granted, i do love Optimus Prime, I just don't need his Masterpiece Toy when I have so many of him already). Considering my G1 Grimlock is missing his dinosaur head and is in need of other repairs and new accesories, I am super excited to have one of my fave guys from G1 available stateside.

Okay, and, this may seem stupid, but the US Masterpieces have retained all the Die-Cast pieces of the Takara versions, and all the gimmicks right? They just dont have as many paint apps?

Heh, actually because of battle damage they have more paint apps...

Counterpunch wrote:

NuclearConvoy wrote:I couldnt afford the Takara version, but he was the first Masterpiece I actually felt bad for not being able to buy. I was always more of a Dinobot lover than Prime lover (granted, i do love Optimus Prime, I just don't need his Masterpiece Toy when I have so many of him already). Considering my G1 Grimlock is missing his dinosaur head and is in need of other repairs and new accesories, I am super excited to have one of my fave guys from G1 available stateside.

Okay, and, this may seem stupid, but the US Masterpieces have retained all the Die-Cast pieces of the Takara versions, and all the gimmicks right? They just dont have as many paint apps?

Heh, actually because of battle damage they have more paint apps...

Please, Lord, I hope Grimlock escapes having ugly ass battle damage on him....................

20th Anniversary Prime (the first version, not the crappy DVD one) actually had more paint apps...battle damage, which some people didn't like. I was fine with it.

Starscream/Skywarp had completely different paint apps, and no sticker sheet, as they didn't need them.

Quality and feature-wise, they've been exactly the same, and aside from DVD Prime the paint apps have been just as good, only different. However, the Hasbro ones have also been modified for safety reasons. Short smokestacks on Prime, and less pointed parts on the Seekers.

I was just thinking about this yesterday.
This is some pretty cool news!

kirbenvost wrote:Excellent, now I have a backup plan in case my girlfriend doesn't get me MP Grimlock for Christmas.

Just don't let her find out, or you WON'T get MP Grimmy for Christmas.

Valandar wrote:

kirbenvost wrote:Excellent, now I have a backup plan in case my girlfriend doesn't get me MP Grimlock for Christmas.

Just don't let her find out, or you WON'T get MP Grimmy for Christmas.

Haha, well if she's going to, it's probably already purchased... there's a slight chance she might drop it for my birthday, which is in a couple weeks. Crossing my fingers!