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Awesome. If we're seeing MP Soundwave packaging pics then he'll hopefully be available within another month or two. Odd how they didn't stick with the same TRU/MP packaging design.

I'd love to get Metroplex but I just don't see how I can afford both this summer. My wife understands my love for the series and my collecting habits but I think buying both would be irresponsible of me. Maybe if he's still sticking around during my birthday I have a chance.

Well, the Scamper design and Metroplex's look proves that this figure is FOC/WFC/IDW and not geewun. Anyone want to debate this is something other than that? Sabrblade, perhaps?

That BH Optimus vs. Predaking two-pack is such a missed opportunity! Why not at least redeco this version of Prime with translucent BLUE plastic windows and sword instead of green?

Sorry, double post.

RiddlerJ wrote:So are all five cassettes packaged with this release of Soundwave?

Yep. All five are included with Soundwave.

shockblast2 wrote:Well, the Scamper design and Metroplex's look proves that this figure is FOC/WFC/IDW and not geewun. Anyone want to debate this is something other than that? Sabrblade, perhaps?

God, here we go again...

I really need to get Soundwave. I slept on every masterpiece that released in the US... and regretted not getting any of them. (ESPECIALLY TRU mp10)

I hope they re release optimus... as for metroplex if i have the money i will definitely get him. It looks incredible!

I'm pretty sure the generations figures are 15 dollars too. I have to get Pax and Megatron.

Why couldn't hasbro just paint Predaking's head? Is it so hard?

sdn1337 wrote:I'm pretty sure the generations figures are 15 dollars too.

I agree. The addition of the comic will probably have little to no affect on the price of the Deluxe it comes with.

Mindmaster wrote:

sdn1337 wrote:I'm pretty sure the generations figures are 15 dollars too.

I agree. The addition of the comic will probably have little to no affect on the price of the Deluxe it comes with.

I just checked BBTS, they have the generations figures listed for $16.99.

Not bad at all.

sdn1337 wrote:

Mindmaster wrote:

sdn1337 wrote:I'm pretty sure the generations figures are 15 dollars too.

I agree. The addition of the comic will probably have little to no affect on the price of the Deluxe it comes with.

I just checked BBTS, they have the generations figures listed for $16.99.

Not bad at all.

Just as I suspected; virtually no change in price. My local retailers ask about $16 a pop, and with tax, exceed $17 anyway. So an extra dollar won't kill me.

shockblast2 wrote:Well, the Scamper design and Metroplex's look proves that this figure is FOC/WFC/IDW and not geewun. Anyone want to debate this is something other than that? Sabrblade, perhaps?

IDW has an ongoing series of comics that pick up the G1 Transformers fiction where it was last left off. The IDW designs we're getting in the Generations "Thrilling Thirty" assortment are those featured as updated G1 characters in IDW's current comics. IDW has also assimilated many cybertronian forms and models for G1 characters taken directly from the War for Cybertron and Fall of Cybertron games. Recall that War for Cybertron especially was heavily influenced by G1, though ostensibly meant by Hasbro as a starting point for the modern/aligned continunity for the brand. Hence, we are free to assume that our WfC/FoC Bumblebee, Starscream, Soundwave, Shockwave, etc. figures are also their G1 selves. For the past few years, Hasbro has purposely been putting out toys with nebulous fictional affinity to any particular continuity so you can organize your collections as you see fit, so none of this should really be surprising at this point. All the IDW stuff coming out in figure form this year can safely be considered G1 or G1-compatible at this point. In short, enjoy Hasbro's new two foot tall G1 Metroplex

Wolfman Jake wrote:

shockblast2 wrote:Well, the Scamper design and Metroplex's look proves that this figure is FOC/WFC/IDW and not geewun. Anyone want to debate this is something other than that? Sabrblade, perhaps?

IDW has an ongoing series of comics that pick up the G1 Transformers fiction where it was last left off. The IDW designs we're getting in the Generations "Thrilling Thirty" assortment are those featured as updated G1 characters in IDW's current comics. IDW has also assimilated many cybertronian forms and models for G1 characters taken directly from the War for Cybertron and Fall of Cybertron games. Recall that War for Cybertron especially was heavily influenced by G1, though ostensibly meant by Hasbro as a starting point for the modern/alligned continunity for the brand. Feel free to assume that your WfC/FoC Bumblebee, Starscream, Soundwave, Shockwave, etc. figures are also their G1 selves. For the past few years, Hasbro has purposely been putting out toys with nebulous fictional affinity to any particular continuity so you can organize your collections as you see fit. All the IDW stuff coming out in figure form this year can safely be considered G1 or G1-compatible at this point. In short, enjoy your two foot tall G1 Metroplex

Watch out; he's going to backlash how the Classics line, other affiliated line, and Generation One is dead, and that these are in fact Aligned designs.

Mindmaster wrote:Watch out; he's going to backlash how the Classics line, other affiliated line, and Generation One is dead, and that these are in fact Aligned designs.

Well, then he'd just be denying reality, and at that point, I can' do anything more to educate and enlighten. As long as he keeps buying Transformers to feed Hasbro's bottom line and keep our hobby afloat, I'm cool with thinking the moons of Cybertron are made of cheese

gavinfuzzy wrote:Oh look, the Generation deluxes comes with an added comic book. I wonder if it would be the full-length unabridged issue, or like a 4-page excerpt.
It's probably an excuse to bump the price up to $24.99 per deluxe... Cause you know, Comic book.

That was known from the very beginning that we first heard about the "Thrilling 30" toys. It's the Spotlight issues from IDW, which is why all of the Thrilling 30 Deluxe toys look like the IDW Spotlight character bodies.

Megatron Wolf wrote:why the hell is soundwave an exclusive but metroplex isnt? What the hell kind of crap is that?

Because Metroplex is an ordinary mass release figure (just a big one), while Soundwave is a freakin' Masterpiece!

Megatron Wolf wrote: And why TRU, hasnt hasbro learned no one likes TRU anymore? Great so now if i want soundwave im going to have to fight scalpers & pay top dollar cause TRU has to charge ridiculous prices. Just more proof that hasbro doesnt have a clue.

TRU is the ONLY store chain that would take this kind of toy. Hasbro already tried Walmart with Starscream and Skywarp, and both of those sold terribly through Walmart. Thus Walmart won't take anymore MPs, nor will any other store besides TRU take them.

shockblast2 wrote:Well, the Scamper design and Metroplex's look proves that this figure is FOC/WFC/IDW and not geewun. Anyone want to debate this is something other than that? Sabrblade, perhaps?

Dude, he's covered in IDW G1 characters, and his bio pins him down as IDW's character, not FOC's character.

You clearly still have a misunderstood view of the Aligned Continuity.

Wolfman Jake wrote:

Mindmaster wrote:Watch out; he's going to backlash how the Classics line, other affiliated line, and Generation One is dead, and that these are in fact Aligned designs.

Well, then he'd just be denying reality, and at that point, I can' do anything more to educate and enlighten. As long as he keeps buying Transformers to feed Hasbro's bottom line and keep our hobby afloat, I'm cool with thinking the moons of Cybertron are made of cheese

*brofist*

Wolfman Jake wrote:

shockblast2 wrote:Well, the Scamper design and Metroplex's look proves that this figure is FOC/WFC/IDW and not geewun. Anyone want to debate this is something other than that? Sabrblade, perhaps?

IDW has an ongoing series of comics that pick up the G1 Transformers fiction where it was last left off. The IDW designs we're getting in the Generations "Thrilling Thirty" assortment are those featured as updated G1 characters in IDW's current comics. IDW has also assimilated many cybertronian forms and models for G1 characters taken directly from the War for Cybertron and Fall of Cybertron games. Recall that War for Cybertron especially was heavily influenced by G1, though ostensibly meant by Hasbro as a starting point for the modern/aligned continunity for the brand. Hence, we are free to assume that our WfC/FoC Bumblebee, Starscream, Soundwave, Shockwave, etc. figures are also their G1 selves. For the past few years, Hasbro has purposely been putting out toys with nebulous fictional affinity to any particular continuity so you can organize your collections as you see fit, so none of this should really be surprising at this point. All the IDW stuff coming out in figure form this year can safely be considered G1 or G1-compatible at this point. In short, enjoy Hasbro's new two foot tall G1 Metroplex

Uh no. You do understand Geewun ended in 1990, right? Its over. 23 years ago. Move on. The fact that you are using that term to describe a modern day Transformer that is not an MP replica is ridicious. Classic case of geewunitis....you can spot the symtoms easily. They tend to take figures that are obviously not geewun classics and fill their empty holes in their collection. They replace the embittered tears they have shed over not getting a genuine geewun classics redo with silly replacements. But, in the case of these replacements, it is perfectly evident that they do not belong in a geewun classics collection. Examples of this are ROTF Beachcomber, HFTD Seaspray, Energon Shockblast, FOC Shockwave (because geewunners are especially bitter about not having a classics voyager of this guy)and PCC Huffer just to name a few. And of course Generations ROTF Springer, until they threw that away like a cheap whore in favor of FOC/IDW Springer. There are a few trolling around on the site. Beware as they will retro-douche you if you try to rebuff them.

shockblast2 wrote:Uh no. You do understand Geewun ended in 1990, right? Its over. 23 years ago. Move on. The fact that you are using that term to describe a modern day Transformer that is not an MP replica is ridicious. Classic case of geewunitis....

The cartoon is dead, yes. The Marvel comics are dead, yes. The Blackthorne comics are dead, yes. The toyline is dead, yes. The Dreamwave comics are dead, yes (but only since 2004, not 1990).

But IDW's comics that have been going on since 2005 are a new, alternate version of G1 that's still alive and kicking.

There's also Fun Publications' Wings Universe fiction, which is based on the G1 cartoon, is still ongoing.

And the All Spark manga is another alternate take on G1, and it's still going strong.

So, while all the old G1 things from before 2005 are indeed dead, there's still new, different G1 things that are alive and kick to this day.

Sabrblade wrote:

shockblast2 wrote:Uh no. You do understand Geewun ended in 1990, right? Its over. 23 years ago. Move on. The fact that you are using that term to describe a modern day Transformer that is not an MP replica is ridicious. Classic case of geewunitis....

The cartoon is dead, yes. The Marvel comics are dead, yes. The Blackthorne comics are dead, yes. The toyline is dead, yes. The Dreamwave comics are dead, yes (but only since 2004, not 1990).

But IDW's comics that have been going on since 2005 are a new, alternate version of G1 that's still alive and kicking.

There's also Fun Publications' Wings Universe fiction, which is based on the G1 cartoon, is still ongoing.

And the All Spark manga is another alternate take on G1, and it's still going strong.

So, while all the old G1 things from before 2005 are indeed dead, there's still new, different G1 things that are alive and kick to this day.

Classic case of geewunitis here. I have spoke with Sabrblade about his condition before.

He is in the denial stage currently. When he gets FOC/IDW Trailcutter in his hands he will move on the anger stage. Right after he shoehorns it in next to his ROTF Gears.

shockblast2 wrote:Classic case of geewunitis here. I have spoke with Sabrblade about his condition before.

He is in the denial stage currently. When he gets FOC/IDW Trailcutter in his hands he will move on the anger stage. Right after he shoehorns it in next to his ROTF Gears.

Then what would you call IDW's comics from before 2010? 2010 was the year the Aligned Continuity began, so what were IDW's comics in the pre-Aligned years?

And what would you call Wings Universe or All Spark?

Enlighten me.

Wolfman Jake wrote:

Mindmaster wrote:Watch out; he's going to backlash how the Classics line, other affiliated line, and Generation One is dead, and that these are in fact Aligned designs.

Well, then he'd just be denying reality, and at that point, I can' do anything more to educate and enlighten. As long as he keeps buying Transformers to feed Hasbro's bottom line and keep our hobby afloat, I'm cool with thinking the moons of Cybertron are made of cheese

Denying reality? WHATTTTTTTTT?

Me? Oh no. Look in the mirror. You say above that IDW picks up where geewun left off. That is a bs statement if I have ever heard one. You do know Prowl was killed in geewun, right? And the dinobots were created by the Autobots on earth after seeing dino bones in a cave, right? And the insecticons became so on earth, right. And the fact that Ironhide, Ratchet, and over half of the geewun bots that are in IDW comics died in geewun, right?
And I am in denial? Meh.........

shockblast2 wrote:Me? Oh no. Look in the mirror. You say above that IDW picks up where geewun left off. That is a bs statement if I have ever heard one. You do know Prowl was killed in geewun, right? And the dinobots were created by the Autobots on earth after seeing dino bones in a cave, right? And the insecticons became so on earth, right. And the fact that Ironhide, Ratchet, and over half of the geewun bots that are in IDW comics died in geewun, right?
And I am in denial? Meh.........

One more question. What does "G1" mean to you? Answer me this.

Sabrblade wrote:

shockblast2 wrote:Classic case of geewunitis here. I have spoke with Sabrblade about his condition before.

He is in the denial stage currently. When he gets FOC/IDW Trailcutter in his hands he will move on the anger stage. Right after he shoehorns it in next to his ROTF Gears.

Then what would you call IDW's comics from before 2010? 2010 was the year the Aligned Continuity began, so what were IDW's comics in the pre-Aligned years?

And what would you call Wings Universe or All Spark?

Enlighten me.

Can't say because I don't know anything about them. But, judging by the way you view IDW and anything else you can bastardize into your collection I would say it is the same scenario. I will prove your geewunitis. Sabrblade, do you have or have you had any of the following in your geewun classics collection? And I will be fair and not include the new IDW figures or any of the questionable figures from Generations I mentioned before, like Warpath and Blurr.

Energon Classics Devastator
Energon ROTF Superion
Energon Generations Bruticus
Energon Shockwave
Botcon Huffer
Botcon Springer
PCC Huffer
ROTF Gears
ROTF Beachcomber
ROTF Brawn
RTS Outback/Fallback
Generations WFC Soundwave (either the deluxe or the voyager from 2012)
Generations FOC Shockwave
DOTM Powerglide
HFTD Seaspray
GDO Springer
GDO Dead End
GDO Brawl
GDO Sandstorm


These are a few. Do you have any of these? And if so, why do you think they fit in your geewun classics collection?

Sabrblade wrote:

shockblast2 wrote:Me? Oh no. Look in the mirror. You say above that IDW picks up where geewun left off. That is a bs statement if I have ever heard one. You do know Prowl was killed in geewun, right? And the dinobots were created by the Autobots on earth after seeing dino bones in a cave, right? And the insecticons became so on earth, right. And the fact that Ironhide, Ratchet, and over half of the geewun bots that are in IDW comics died in geewun, right?
And I am in denial? Meh.........

One more question. What does "G1" mean to you? Answer me this.

Any pre 1991 toys, books, games, tv shows, movies, etc that bear the Transformers logo. Why does it have to be geewun? What about G2? Why can't IDW be G2 in your eyes? By your measure it could be????

Sabrblade wrote:

shockblast2 wrote:Classic case of geewunitis here. I have spoke with Sabrblade about his condition before.

He is in the denial stage currently. When he gets FOC/IDW Trailcutter in his hands he will move on the anger stage. Right after he shoehorns it in next to his ROTF Gears.

Then what would you call IDW's comics from before 2010? 2010 was the year the Aligned Continuity began, so what were IDW's comics in the pre-Aligned years?

And what would you call Wings Universe or All Spark?

Enlighten me.

Sorry missed one q. Any pre-2010 IDW is assimilated because the title was created after the book started, but made offical by Hasbro, making it canon. Just like they did with geewun when G2 came along.

shockblast2 wrote:Can't say because I don't know anything about them.

Then how can you say that they're not G1 if you know nothing about them?

Look at this picture and tell me what you would classify it as:

shockblast2 wrote:Do you have any of these? And if so, why do you think they fit in your geewun classics collection?

I own the following:

Energon Classics Devastator
Energon ROTF Superion
Generations WFC Soundwave (both the deluxe or the voyager from 2012)
Generations FOC Shockwave
HFTD Seaspray

But, I don't have them in what I would consider a "Classics collection" since, for a long time, I made the idiotic mistake of intentionally avoiding many of the Classics (or "CHUG") molds. The few ones I have managed to pick up, as well as the above ones, were mostly bought because I either liked the mold or the character the represented. "Classics"/"CHUG" is something I frankly haven't really collected since I turned my focus more towards the Movieverse and Animated toys.

So, yeah, I missed out on a lot of cool toys.

Though, for Soundwave and Shockwave specifically, I've got those in a WFC/FOC collection.

shockblast2 wrote:Any pre 1991 toys, books, games, tv shows, movies, etc that bear the Transformers logo.

Then, what about Dreamwave's comics from 2002-2004? Or, do you not know about those either?

shockblast2 wrote:I mean, are you a geewun racist or something?

On the contrary. I grew up on the Beast Era and it still remains my favorite era of Transformers to this day.

In fact, my top 5 favorite TF cartoon series are as follows:

• 1 - Beast Wars
• 2 - Animated
• 3 - Tie: Chōjin Masterforce and Rescue Bots
• 4 - Tie: Beast Machines, Robots in Disguise, and Prime
• 5 - Cybertron

But, I also have to ask you this. If there are series (like some comic series) that you don't know about, how can you say what they are or aren't without knowing about them?

shockblast2 wrote:What about G2? Why can't IDW be G2 in your eyes? By your measure it could be????

Oh, there most certainly are some aspects of G2 in the IDW comics. But they're far and few compared to their G1 elements. Not to mention that G2 as a franchise is a subset with the greater G1 continuity family, thus anything G2 is automatically also G1, just a specific portion of it. Same with the Beast Era; it too is a subsection of the G1 continuity family, or "Primax", as it is also known as.

Thus, IDW's comics from 2005 to today are Primax comics, while WFC/FOC is Aligned.

shockblast2 wrote:Sorry missed one q. Any pre-2010 IDW is assimilated because the title was created after the book started, but made offical by Hasbro, making it canon. Just like they did with geewun when G2 came along.

Can you provide a link to any official outlet declaring that all that IDW created before 2010 automatically became one with the Aligned continuity?

Because, if not, then you'll have to explain why IDW has been largely ignoring the Aligned Continuity fiction by contradicting it and writing stories that go against Hasbro's vision for the Aligned Continuity.

I am not talking about storyline purposes ultimately. As far as aligned goes, IDW is only linked because of the borrowed designs of WFC/FOC versions. As far as their storylines, or universe as some say, they are totally seperate. IDW is not G1 as it is not Beast Wras, or any other mythos that came before or after these examples. But I am talking toys here. And thier designs have been used interchangably. Does that mean the storylines are the same or do they exist in the same universe. NO. Just like what we call G1 does not exist in the IDW version. But, does that mean it is feasable to insert a IDW Trailcutter into a FOC/WFC figure collection. YES. Why? Because they use their designs. Does geewun Hoist and IDW Hoist look the same? NO. Laughably no. Not even the cartoon. What about WFC/FOC Hoist? Never used. That is the beauty of it. IDW can feasibly be FOC/WFC Hoist. It CANNOT be geewun Hoist. Get it?

Listen, Im not ripping you for using figures from other lines for your collection. I am going to use Prime Kup w/ an I gear head in my WFC/FOC collection. But Prime is aligned, and since Sgt Kup never appeared it was easy to incorporate him. Also going to use Prime Wheeljack as my WFC/FOC collection. Why? Because his alt mode wasn't acquired on earth as he had it when he arrived AND the fact the FOC version looks almost dead like him. And it is Prime.
But these are clearly feasible. Shoe horning Enrgon Constucticons into your collection is not. That is my point. Ultimately though, the debate is just for fun. No hard feelings. You can buy whatever you wish and fill the holes in your collection with whatever. I have done it myself. How do you think I know about al those figures I mentioned??
But, I gave up on that and sold it all. Kept just my WFC/FOC figures. The best part about them are that there are nno expectations of figures. If they never make an aligned Skids or Brawn, then no big deal. But Hasbro absolutely jipped the geewun fans by leaving gaping holes in thier collections due to the inability for them to recongise a secondary market for their product. I guarantee that if they alter the Kup mold for example, gave it a good head retool, some small beige wings, and a tow package it would have made an excellent Hoist. They could have took the Ironhide/Ratcher Mold and made Trailbreaker. They could have used the PCC line to make the scout minibots from seasons 1-3 rather than teasing us with a Huffer that was miscolored and had a Bayformer face. Not to mention the punch in the sack that was the cancellation pf the scout size RTS Rumble and Frenzy everyone looked forward to. Oh yeah, I know that road. Its a long and bitter highway.
Give it up and live in the now. I did.