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Posted: **Wed Jul 14, 2021 6:14 am**

Nemesis Reformatted wrote:
o.supreme wrote: there are still so many characters (both combiners and non-combiners) that need new toys before redoing what was already done, even if it wasn't ideal. I mean we've had 3 Astrotrains since 2013. I thought Siege/ER was pretty good, but I still see people wanting yet another Astrotrain

I gave up. Transformers fans are still *CONSTANTLY* asking for Devastator, Predaking & Blaster. No matter how many we already have I still see those 3 names popping up constantly.

Once in a while Hasbro throws me a little scrap or crumb like Fangry. And I jump on it like a starving dog. And that's the best it's gonna get.

I wonder how many years will go by & how many more Devastators & Predakings we'll get before they give us Squeezeplay or Horri-Bull. It's been 5 or 6 years since they released Chop Shop & still no sign of Ransack, Barrage or Venom.

It's really hard to stay interested. I'm hanging on by a thread. They're releasing just enough cool new stuff to keep me in.

I don't get why are you mentioning Predaking. There was only TWO. The G1 original, and that huge Titan one. That's it. It's not a team that is remade over and over. If people want a Combiner-Wars sized Predaking, they'll just have to go for an undersized K.O. Personally, I don't feel the need at all because the G1 original is already excellent and IS CW sized already.

As for Devastator, there was many versions, but only ONE truly "G1", the titan CW. Once again, people can just go for the undersized K.O as I did. If G1 Devastator would ever been remade, it would be for the MP line by Takara. And they would have to slowly make them over the years as they did with the Studio Series ROTF Devastator.

Now that leave the "big six" that are being remade over and over again, meaning Optimus, Megatron, Soundwave, Bumblebee, and Starscream. But those are the breadwinner, the gateway to Transformers for many.

THAT LEAVE TONS AND TONS OF NEW CHARACTERS THAT ALWAYS APPEAR ALL YEAR!
Just because what you want is not being made doesn't mean that Hasbro is not making anything new ever. There's still HUNDREDS of characters to be made. Just give it time and eventually, the character you really want will be made.

Also, please, PUT THOSE BANDAI INSECTICONS TO REST.
You will never, ever, EVER see them again. those are Bandai's property.
FOR EVER. So if you want a modern take of the Bandai Insecticons, take it to Bandai. Like they did for the classic Gobots.

Posted: **Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:46 am**

-Kanrabat- wrote:Also, please, PUT THOSE BANDAI INSECTICONS TO REST.
You will never, ever, EVER see them again. those are Bandai's property.
FOR EVER. So if you want a modern take of the Bandai Insecticons, take it to Bandai. Like they did for the classic Gobots.

I'm not a lawyer, and maybe I missed something in the time since RiD and when CW Chop Shop came out, but I personally don't think this is accurate. The original toy designs and the molds are Bandai's property, but their names and characterizations are Hasbro's. Hasbro would need to make updated transformation designs for updated toys, which would obviously mean new molds. IP doesn't mean "no one else can make a cicada that turns into a robot for 35 years."

Of course, none of that means that Hasbro wants to make new Deluxe Insecticons, or that they should, just that they can. There are lots of reasons they still might not want to.

Posted: **Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:16 am**

AcademyofDrX wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:Also, please, PUT THOSE BANDAI INSECTICONS TO REST.
You will never, ever, EVER see them again. those are Bandai's property.
FOR EVER. So if you want a modern take of the Bandai Insecticons, take it to Bandai. Like they did for the classic Gobots.

I'm not a lawyer, and maybe I missed something in the time since RiD and when CW Chop Shop came out, but I personally don't think this is accurate. The original toy designs and the molds are Bandai's property, but their names and characterizations are Hasbro's. Hasbro would need to make updated transformation designs for updated toys, which would obviously mean new molds. IP doesn't mean "no one else can make a cicada that turns into a robot for 35 years."

Of course, none of that means that Hasbro wants to make new Deluxe Insecticons, or that they should, just that they can. There are lots of reasons they still might not want to.

If that was true, we would have seen Gobots Cy-Kill, Leader-One, Scooter, and so on by now. But to avoid the Bandai license, they would have to change them so much that they will not be recognisable.
If the Bandai Insecticons ever come back as Transformers, they would have to look so different, that they would have nothing to do with the originals, making those "remakes" pointless.
They could make a Select SS-86 Wreck-Garr in Cy-Kill colors but that's about it. Like they did with Universe deluxe Mirage in Gobots Crasher colors. But both aren't nor will ever be the classic Gobots.

They could make new original character though. I'll always welcome NEW characters rather than pale imitations.

Posted: **Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:18 am**

-Kanrabat- wrote:
AcademyofDrX wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:Also, please, PUT THOSE BANDAI INSECTICONS TO REST.
You will never, ever, EVER see them again. those are Bandai's property.
FOR EVER. So if you want a modern take of the Bandai Insecticons, take it to Bandai. Like they did for the classic Gobots.

I'm not a lawyer, and maybe I missed something in the time since RiD and when CW Chop Shop came out, but I personally don't think this is accurate. The original toy designs and the molds are Bandai's property, but their names and characterizations are Hasbro's. Hasbro would need to make updated transformation designs for updated toys, which would obviously mean new molds. IP doesn't mean "no one else can make a cicada that turns into a robot for 35 years."

Of course, none of that means that Hasbro wants to make new Deluxe Insecticons, or that they should, just that they can. There are lots of reasons they still might not want to.

If that was true, we would have seen Gobots Cy-Kill, Leader-One, Scooter, and so on by now. But to avoid the Bandai license, they would have to change them so much that they will not be recognisable.
If the Bandai Insecticons ever come back as Transformers, they would have to look so different, that they would have nothing to do with the originals, making those "remakes" pointless.
They could make a Select SS-86 Wreck-Garr in Cy-Kill colors but that's about it. Like they did with Universe deluxe Mirage in Gobots Crasher colors. But both aren't nor will ever be the classic Gobots.

They could make new original character though. I'll always welcome NEW characters rather than pale imitations.

New characters win out for me all the time.

Posted: **Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:29 am**

ZeroWolf wrote:New characters win out for me all the time.

Posted: **Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:31 am**

-Kanrabat- wrote:I don't get why are you mentioning Predaking. There was only TWO. The G1 original, and that huge Titan one. That's it. It's not a team that is remade over and over. If people want a Combiner-Wars sized Predaking, they'll just have to go for an undersized K.O. Personally, I don't feel the need at all because the G1 original is already excellent and IS CW sized already.

Unfortunately an undersized KO of PotP Predaking doesn't exist that I know of, otherwise I'd be al over it like I was the undersized KO Devastator

-Kanrabat- wrote:Now that leave the "big six" that are being remade over and over again, meaning Optimus, Megatron, Soundwave, Bumblebee, and Starscream. But those are the breadwinner, the gateway to Transformers for many.

Actually it's far more than that. If we got just those 6-8 legacy characters (I'd include Shockwave and Grimlock as well), every couple years it would be fine. But in T30, Prime Wars, and now WFC we've had *many* of the 84-86 characters done over 2-3 times at least. Each line does fill in some of the holes, but not many. Aside from BW characters, and Fossilizers that are new, Tracks is the only Original Series character released so far in Kingdom that hasn't had a new figure in the last decade. (Slammer will be the 2nd I believe)

Aside from the afore mentioned Deluxe Insections, Raiden (If we ever see the TT Masterpiece), and the remaining 2 1987 Autobot Targetmasters, I believe most of the characters from 84-87 have had modern updates, but 88-92 still have some huge gaps to fill. I understand niche characters, and some Japanese characters may be harder to market, but Hasbro/TT have produced several of them in recent years, I just want to continue to see them coming, even if they are only through Selects or whatever means necessary.

Posted: **Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:33 am**

AcademyofDrX wrote: IP doesn't mean "no one else can make a cicada that turns into a robot for 35 years."

Indeed...

Circa 1997

Posted: **Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:41 am**

-Kanrabat- wrote:
AcademyofDrX wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:Also, please, PUT THOSE BANDAI INSECTICONS TO REST.
You will never, ever, EVER see them again. those are Bandai's property.
FOR EVER. So if you want a modern take of the Bandai Insecticons, take it to Bandai. Like they did for the classic Gobots.

I'm not a lawyer, and maybe I missed something in the time since RiD and when CW Chop Shop came out, but I personally don't think this is accurate. The original toy designs and the molds are Bandai's property, but their names and characterizations are Hasbro's. Hasbro would need to make updated transformation designs for updated toys, which would obviously mean new molds. IP doesn't mean "no one else can make a cicada that turns into a robot for 35 years."

Of course, none of that means that Hasbro wants to make new Deluxe Insecticons, or that they should, just that they can. There are lots of reasons they still might not want to.

If that was true, we would have seen Gobots Cy-Kill, Leader-One, Scooter, and so on by now. But to avoid the Bandai license, they would have to change them so much that they will not be recognisable.
If the Bandai Insecticons ever come back as Transformers, they would have to look so different, that they would have nothing to do with the originals, making those "remakes" pointless.
They could make a Select SS-86 Wreck-Garr in Cy-Kill colors but that's about it. Like they did with Universe deluxe Mirage in Gobots Crasher colors. But both aren't nor will ever be the classic Gobots.

They could make new original character though. I'll always welcome NEW characters rather than pale imitations.

It's possible Hasbro legal doesn't even want to mess with it at all, but it's untrue to refer to GoBots as a "Bandai license." GoBots is Hasbro IP, which is documented and demonstrated through the IDW comics miniseries. The characters in that book had all the design fidelity to the originals, even as the plot was changed. Notably, the Action Robo releases don't use the GoBots brand name or character names, which would require Bandai to license from Hasbro.

But what you're really getting at is the more relevant question. Even though Hasbro owns the GoBots IP, could they produce toys that infringe on Bandai's more narrow rights? And the answer is "it depends" or "probably not but maybe," and that could be enough for Hasbro not to bother. The other point that you make, like a retooled Wreck-Gar into Cy-Kill wouldn't be the "Classic GoBot," or I guess "real," is probably just a personal feeling one way or the other

I've gotten really off-topic by expanding on this, if there's any interest in continuing the discussion I'll take it to a new thread. I find toy intellectual property fascinating and I think there are a lot of misconceptions about it, but I'm no expert.

Posted: **Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:53 am**

aronjlove wrote:From a May 22nd Tweet
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I see nothing but dead horses being beaten again and again and again. For a line that's all about change, they sure don't change much do they? I don't see a single name there that hasn't been redone a half dozen times in the last 10 years. Fans get all excited about being fed the same thing. Even pizza lovers get sick of it after a while. The one good thing about the movieverse was that it was WAY different than before (and the whining tears of 10's of vocal fans ruined that)...a new take on old stuff, whereas this stuff is all just a do-over on the same thing over and over again. "We'll change this little bit and because the fans are sheep they will buy it over and over again!" Even Cyberverse is just G1 Redux essentially.

I know I'm kind of trolling, but I've seen a few people here that are thinking the same. But most seem to be along the lines of "The TF mythos is rich with good stories and characters so why change?" Yes, there is a great mythos and it's really diverse. Why, then, has everything the last decade been exactly the same thing redone over and over? Where are the OTHER characters? Could a new line/mythos with good characters ENRICH everything? Or should we be happy with HasTak just making micro-changes and rereleasing the exact same characters over and over? Hoist and Trailbreaker? Done in Generations, CW, and WFC. Sideswipe and Sunstreaker? Same. SKids? Ironhide? Ratchet? I'm not even going to get started on the seekers and the Dinobots. It's the same characters redone with maybe 1 or two "new" (read: old but not yet redone) characters. Windblade, Drift, and Victorion are the only real completely new characters in the TF mythos since Beast Wars.

Posted: **Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:17 am**

Shattered Glass Jetfire

This pre-order item will be available to dispatch on approx 01/11/2021

£94.99 - InDemand Toys (10% Deposit available)

£92.99 - Pulse UK (Limit of 2 per customer)

$91.99 - Pulse US (This pre-order item will be available to dispatch on approx 01/04/2022)

$139.99 - TFSource (Preorder Item Estimated Arrival: February 2022 :???:

)

Posted: **Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:29 am**

Jetfire confirmed really being NOT an exclusive.

Interesting. :-?

I hope this non-exclusivity will trickle down the previous ones.

Posted: **Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:38 am**

I agree with most of what people are saying, which is why I hoped SG would be more than just a short sub-line. I know it ain't everyone's favorite alt-universe, but these kinds of stories are enjoyed when done well. Star Trek's Mirror Universe is the best example as IDW did some amazing stories in their ST comics.

I'm one of the voices calling for a new Blaster as outside of the WfC/FoC, I only know of the TR Blaster, and like the TR Soundwave, it is a little oversized with current figures. But everyone else beyond Blaster and Blitzwing has been beaten to death.

I got all SG figures on preorder, and I bought the first pack, as all I can do is show Hasbro with my wallet that different stuff is wanted.

Posted: **Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:40 am**

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Shattered Glass Jetfire

This pre-order item will be available to dispatch on approx 01/11/2021

£94.99 - InDemand Toys (10% Deposit available)

£92.99 - Pulse UK (Limit of 2 per customer)

$91.99 - Pulse US

$139.99 - TFSource (Preorder Item Estimated Arrival: February 2022 )

Pulse US shows a date of 01/04/2022 for me, but that date for Pulse UK matches what I've seen UK peeps mention on Twitter.

Posted: **Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:59 am**

Yep, it is indeed. That was going to be the extra comment (I forgot to add) to the Pulse US link. So I'm not quite sure what the range of these staggered release dates means?

Posted: **Thu Jul 15, 2021 7:03 pm**

On the topic of Shattered Glass Jetfire, I am a bit bummed he didn't get any retooling or new weapons at all, the others at least got new heads or parts.

Also, with that green, I wish there was more of that green. It is brilliant on him and it could have used a few more spots to really shine

Posted: **Wed Jul 28, 2021 10:03 am**

I don't consider this newsworthy, but PvP posted the review for Starscream.

Posted: **Wed Jul 28, 2021 11:12 am**

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:On the topic of Shattered Glass Jetfire, I am a bit bummed he didn't get any retooling or new weapons at all, the others at least got new heads or parts.

... which makes sense if you think about it because he doesn't really need them given the base figure (Classics Jetfire). Blurr and Goldbug got new heads like the originals, Megatron got new parts to turn him into a "jet" like the original, and the swords for Starscream are because of the base GF Voyager Starscream which had them built in.

Posted: **Wed Jul 28, 2021 11:22 am**

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:On the topic of Shattered Glass Jetfire, I am a bit bummed he didn't get any retooling or new weapons at all, the others at least got new heads or parts.

... which makes sense if you think about it because he doesn't really need them given the base figure (Classics Jetfire). Blurr and Goldbug got new heads like the originals, Megatron got new parts to turn him into a "jet" like the original, and the swords for Starscream are because of the base GF Voyager Starscream which had them built in.

Plus he comes with the same extra battle mask and armor accessories that Siege Jetfire came with, so it's already loaded up with accessories, and many of us we don't use those with our Siege Jetfires anyway.

I ordered the J. Balvin Soundwave for some reason, so SG Jetfire will get his purple guns.

Posted: **Wed Jul 28, 2021 1:29 pm**

AcademyofDrX wrote:
Jelze Bunnycat wrote:
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:On the topic of Shattered Glass Jetfire, I am a bit bummed he didn't get any retooling or new weapons at all, the others at least got new heads or parts.

... which makes sense if you think about it because he doesn't really need them given the base figure (Classics Jetfire). Blurr and Goldbug got new heads like the originals, Megatron got new parts to turn him into a "jet" like the original, and the swords for Starscream are because of the base GF Voyager Starscream which had them built in.

Plus he comes with the same extra battle mask and armor accessories that Siege Jetfire came with, so it's already loaded up with accessories, and many of us we don't use those with our Siege Jetfires anyway.

I ordered the J. Balvin Soundwave for some reason, so SG Jetfire will get his purple guns.

Was the app a pain? The only reason I didn't order that Soundwave was not wanting to create another account with another store for a single item.

Posted: **Wed Jul 28, 2021 2:29 pm**

It was fine. I didn't buy it the first day it was available, and later got an email with a $20 credit. That helped me decide to go for it.

There are a lot of nerd brand partnerships, but I don't think it's very likely that I'll be interested in their offerings in general.

Posted: **Wed Jul 28, 2021 2:46 pm**

AcademyofDrX wrote:It was fine. I didn't buy it the first day it was available, and later got an email with a $20 credit. That helped me decide to go for it.

There are a lot of nerd brand partnerships, but I don't think it's very likely that I'll be interested in their offerings in general.

Good to know ;)^

Posted: **Wed Jul 28, 2021 4:17 pm**

For balvintron,you don't need a ntwrk account, or even use the app. I ordered mine off ntwrk's website.

Posted: **Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:26 pm**

So leakers are saying there's now plans for SG Soundwave, Blaster, Wheeljack, & Ultra Magnus, but they didn't specify if this subline is continuing or if those are going to be Selects figures or something.

Posted: **Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:37 pm**

Ultra Magnus niceeeeeee

Posted: **Fri Jul 30, 2021 6:40 pm**

Wheeljack… interesting. The mold would look nice in blue.

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