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ZeroWolf wrote:I believe the point was that the constructicons, in their little gift set, actually scale with each other like the others do in their own little groups.

So you believe that Silverbolt scales with his team mates? The Protectobots are even worse, Streetwise and First Aid are really the only ones that scale with each other. Don't even get me started on the Combaticons! Hell, even the Stunticons don't scale well.

Then there are the Legends team members that Hasbro consider to be officially part of the teams. Does Powerglide scale well?

What I'm saying is; at no point does alt mode scale work in this line, or any line for that matter, so why was it so important to make one figure scale in alt mode. Hasbro made a choice, some like it and others don't, but as my point was, why say someone's opinion is pointless just because it is different.

Arctorro wrote:

Burn wrote:So complaining about Mixmaster's modern take is pointless because all the others have been updated as well. Concrete trucks have changed the most in the last 30 years.

Sorted.

You keep spouting that you hate that Hasbro are taking traditionally non combining characters and making them combiners then vigorously defend your right to express that opinion. However, whenever anyone says they don't like Mixmaster's alt mode, by expressing their opinion, you call it pointless? Right.

Common complaint about Mixmaster wrote:I don't like Mixmaster's updated modern alt mode because none of the others were given a modern update

As Sabrblade has pointed out, the others WERE updated. Would you prefer I used the term "wrong" instead of "pointless"?

Burn wrote:

Arctorro wrote:

Burn wrote:So complaining about Mixmaster's modern take is pointless because all the others have been updated as well. Concrete trucks have changed the most in the last 30 years.

Sorted.

You keep spouting that you hate that Hasbro are taking traditionally non combining characters and making them combiners then vigorously defend your right to express that opinion. However, whenever anyone says they don't like Mixmaster's alt mode, by expressing their opinion, you call it pointless? Right.

Common complaint about Mixmaster wrote:I don't like Mixmaster's updated modern alt mode because none of the others were given a modern update

As Sabrblade has pointed out, the others WERE updated. Would you prefer I used the term "wrong" instead of "pointless"?

Yes, you're right, the differences are massive! They all had minor updates and look a lot like their G1 counterparts, Mixmaster doesn't.




The biggest change here is the cab.






The next two deviate more, but are still minor updates. The biggest difference is the cab, again.





There are a couple of people who troll this site constantly stating the same complaints over and over, but a few people say they don't like this one alt mode and their opinion is "pointless".

So easy way out for those who have issues with the Devman, regardless if its retail, SDCC or TT. Just don't buy it and quit raining on the parade of those who like him.

Anime-export.com has TT Devastator for 17500 Yen, though it's not clear what they'll charge for shipping. I took a chance and paid for a pre-order.

Arctorro wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:I believe the point was that the constructicons, in their little gift set, actually scale with each other like the others do in their own little groups.

So you believe that Silverbolt scales with his team mates? The Protectobots are even worse, Streetwise and First Aid are really the only ones that scale with each other. Don't even get me started on the Combaticons! Hell, even the Stunticons don't scale well.

Then there are the Legends team members that Hasbro consider to be officially part of the teams. Does Powerglide scale well?

What I'm saying is; at no point does alt mode scale work in this line, or any line for that matter, so why was it so important to make one figure scale in alt mode. Hasbro made a choice, some like it and others don't, but as my point was, why say someone's opinion is pointless just because it is different.

Or maybe it was the designers choice to make the constructions scale with themselves and his choice with the alt modes.

I'm curious if there are any cement trucks even remotely the same size as these mining vehicles:





Modernization is a strange choice, too. I mean, it's not like a tape player where the entire concept is foreign and archaic to today's kids (although that's not stopping Regular Show); a "backwards" cement truck's function is going to be as obvious as a "frontwards" truck's.
Plus, we're already getting Concordes, Space Shuttles, and dinosaurs, so...

Arctorro wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Though, Mixmaster is done as that kind of cement mixer not simply to be modernized, but also because that type of design is what the great big mining cement mixers look like, and all six of the Constructicons in this set are rendered as the giant mining versions of their respective altmode vehicles. The rear-mounted cement mixer design nowadays is used on the smaller-scale ones, while the bigger-scale mining ones use the front-mounted mixers. It's because they're all giant mining construction vehicles now that Mixmaster got his new look.

You keep mentioning alt mode scale.

When I said "smaller-scale ones" and "bigger-scale ones" in that post, it was never in regards to this concept of "scale", but was instead on reference to the intensity of the jobs performed by each type of cement mixer. Mining cement mixers are "bigger-scale ones" in that they are "giant-sized mixers that perform tasks on a much grander level of operation" (liking work on enormous development sites and complexes), whereas the "smaller-scale ones" are "not-nearly-as-giant-sized mixers that perform tasks on much lower level of operation" (like working on sidewalks and suburban parking lots). You saw me use a word and jumped to the wrong conclusion.


But since you brought up toy scale...

Arctorro wrote:What I'm saying is; at no point does alt mode scale work in this line, or any line for that matter, so why was it so important to make one figure scale in alt mode.

This Devastator toy is "SPECIAL", so much so that it was given all this extra level of attention that enabled the six Constructicons to be in scale with each other while the other teams got no such special treatment since they're not the big ticket extra special Titan giftset toy that Hasbro trying to promote and be a successful item so that we can get more Titan figures to come in the long run. Deluxes and Voyagers are already guaranteed to keep coming since they're the best-selling size classes of the brand, while Titan class toys have to be successful in order for them to keep being made. They're a bigger gamble and risk for Hasbro to take, so they have to be made to be extra worthwhile and appealing while the Deluxes and Voyagers can already hold their own on their own.

Arctorro wrote:Yes, you're right, the differences are massive! They all had minor updates and look a lot like their G1 counterparts, Mixmaster doesn't.

I repeat:

Sabrblade wrote:All six of them are modern. It's just that the other five are based on vehicle types whose designs haven't changed as much in appearance as the look of that type of cement mixer has.

The cement mixer (particularly the kind used for mining) is the only one of the six whose real world appearance has changed so drastically over the years, while the designs of the other five have remained more or less consistent in their appearances to this day.

Noideaforaname wrote:I'm curious if there are any cement trucks even remotely the same size as these mining vehicles:





Modernization is a strange choice, too. I mean, it's not like a tape player where the entire concept is foreign and archaic to today's kids (although that's not stopping Regular Show); a "backwards" cement truck's function is going to be as obvious as a "frontwards" truck's.
Plus, we're already getting Concordes, Space Shuttles, and dinosaurs, so...

And some say he's out of scale? Egawd!

Sabrblade wrote:... extra special Titan giftset toy that Hasbro trying to promote and be a successful item so that we can get more Titan figures to come in the long haul.

Fixed a typo for you.

Cobotron wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:... extra special Titan giftset toy that Hasbro trying to promote and be a successful item so that we can get more Titan figures to come in the long haul.

Fixed a typo for you.

That reminds me.

People don't just complain about Mixmaster's new altmode, they also complain about Long Haul's (adorable) new robot mode.

Sabrblade wrote:

Cobotron wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:... extra special Titan giftset toy that Hasbro trying to promote and be a successful item so that we can get more Titan figures to come in the long haul.

Fixed a typo for you.

That reminds me.

People don't just complain about Mixmaster's new altmode, they also complain about Long Haul's (adorable) new robot mode.

True. You do just kinda want to give the big lug a hug don't you? I would advise against it though.

There's a problem with long hauls bot mode?

Cobotron wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Cobotron wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:... extra special Titan giftset toy that Hasbro trying to promote and be a successful item so that we can get more Titan figures to come in the long haul.

Fixed a typo for you.

That reminds me.

People don't just complain about Mixmaster's new altmode, they also complain about Long Haul's (adorable) new robot mode.

True. You do just kinda want to give the big lug a hug don't you? I would advise against it though.

He might think you're coming to punch him, then HE punches YOU and it'll make you sad

Also, is it OK to like these figures? 'Cause I do.

ZeroWolf wrote:There's a problem with long hauls bot mode?

To some, yeah. They don't like that it looks squat and chunky like this:


Instead of taller and leaner like this:


Also the different positionings of the dump bed.

I think it was something of a mistake to use an industrial mixer for Mixmaster.

All things being equal, industrial or commercial grade, the result is that the foot on Devastator looks outright dumb. It isn't balanced with Scrapper's foot/leg mode.

As for the scale discussion. Yeah.

But really, this is fun. It's the Officially Licensed version of the Devastator conversation held as TFC's and Maketoy's Devastators were in production/coming out. 25% of the price, 100% of the fan-rage.

itscramtastic wrote:Also, is it OK to like these figures? 'Cause I do.

Wait, are you suggesting that we are actually allowed to like these things?


Well that's a game changer. I was just picking these up out of spite.

carytheone wrote:

itscramtastic wrote:Also, is it OK to like these figures? 'Cause I do.

Wait, are you suggesting that we are actually allowed to like these things?


Well that's a game changer. I was just picking these up out of spite.

LOL Jackie Chan FTW cary

We have a pretty good Devastator discussion in the most recent Twincast.

Ya'll should be listening if you're not already.

Counterpunch wrote:We have a pretty good Devastator discussion in the most recent Twincast.

Ya'll should be listening if you're not already.

Downloading now. Will listen to it when next I get the time.

Counterpunch wrote:We have a pretty good Devastator discussion in the most recent Twincast.

Ya'll should be listening if you're not already.

I've never listened, no day better than today to start though, right?!

Sabrblade wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:We have a pretty good Devastator discussion in the most recent Twincast.

Ya'll should be listening if you're not already.

Downloading now. Will listen to it when next I get the time.

Yup, I'll download it tonight, looking forward to it.

Also, just for the record, I do not mind any of the changes from G1 and never did. But I completely understand those that do.

So I checked the mail and received a coupon for TRU (in-store only). Heading up this weekend to see if Devy and Bluestreak happen to be there!! 20%/25% off? YES PLEASE I'm not thinking they will be, you never know though!

Not complaining, but I'm not a fan of the new Long Haul...
All the other Constructicons are fine.
In fact, I would buy another Hook and Scrapper to keep in bot mode if these were being sold separately.

Long Haul reminds me of a cuddly teddy bear for some reason.