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Rodimus Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

My thought exactly. At the same time, I also agree that he will be released either in Legacy or Selects in correct colors. Hasbro has been doing it with Galvatron and Magnus lately, so why not this leader as well?

It also wouldn't surprise me if we got both a Toxitron and a G2 Magnus deco.

The you could have this mold in whatever flavor you want!

At this point Black Convoy =/= Nemesis Prime, so I do understand both aspects - what is upsetting and what is necessary for business / clarity. I don't need every single release to comport to a past deco to be happy with it, but I do get it. But - I would actually welcome a Generations Selects repaint in toy colors - use silver paint rather than chrome for safety, but yes. Do that.

I don't have any attachment to Toxitron, and well, if they do a Magnus with this mold....It's Ultra Magnus. That's three they'd be getting out of me and that's if I don't cave on Laser Optimus before wave 3.

I wonder how they got the pink and black parts on the shoulders? On Optimus I would have thought all that gray was on a single sprue, but on Nemesis the parts that would have been gray like his legs are black and clear pink.



I guess that means the abs are the same as the shoulder flaps. But what about the clear part, I can't find any other part that became clear as a result of making that clear. Even stranger that part didn't have to be clear as the missiles are a different part.




Only thing I can think of is they originally based the shoulders on Legends Black Convoy who had a lot of exposed clear pink in the shoulders (unlike the Timelines version that painted over much of that).



This whole figure is kinda mysterious.

Emerje

The shoulders look like @rse. Why would they go to the trouble of making them appear as unpainted clear pink plastic? It looks like a cheap KO of an official release or a test sample, which is impossible, because CrimevsCrime only reviews legit TFs that are sold from official toy stockists...

Emerje wrote:I wonder how they got the pink and black parts on the shoulders? On Optimus I would have thought all that gray was on a single sprue, but on Nemesis the parts that would have been gray like his legs are black and clear pink.



I guess that means the abs are the same as the shoulder flaps. But what about the clear part, I can't find any other part that became clear as a result of making that clear. Even stranger that part didn't have to be clear as the missiles are a different part.




Only thing I can think of is they originally based the shoulders on Legends Black Convoy who had a lot of exposed clear pink in the shoulders (unlike the Timelines version that painted over much of that).



This whole figure is kinda mysterious.

Emerje

Its much easier than you think, the grey parts on Laser Prime's shoulders chest and crotch are all painted grey, the Nemesis deco leaves those parts unpainted so you can get an idea of what the plastic colors are on LP for those parts now. Makes me feel like Hasbro cheaped out on the paint for Scourge now.

Black Convoy is one of the Velocitron toys I was most excited to see, and it does look good, but it looks like more of a Nemesis Prime than a Scourge, too much teal and pinky red for my liking, so I'm not sure if I'll get one.

The use of the Combatron symbols on this figure reads to me like the designers really wanted this to specifically be an update to Car Robots Black Convoy/RiD 2001 Scourge, but then some corporate executive who thinks they know better (when they don't) might have stepped in and given an order from on high that the deco should look more Nemesis Prime-y, either unaware of or not caring about how the original deco looked and only concerned that "All Nemesis Prime decos should look consistent! Nemesis Prime is BLACK, not GRAY!"

And yes, in this day and age, Nemesis Prime's Japanese name is "Black Convoy".

I have to admit the new colors are somewhat offputting. Maybe it's just not what I was expecting? I don't get why they'd make an accurately decoed G2 Prime, but change it up so much for BC.

Very nice, I was hoping they'd do this redeco!:)

Looks like Black Convoy here is shaping up to be the decisive figure of 2022 I like him though and I can understand why people aren't happy mind.

At this point, I almost feel we need a comparison to *all* the figures. Throw in the SDCC/Tokyo Toy Show Exclusives and get it all next to each other lol. Sadly most of mine are in storage atm. There's the OG Scourge and Black Convoy, the Titan's Return, which I think was a Japanese exclusive, The HTD that was just shown (and technically Bay Verse). I think there was a Japanese Exclusive Earthrise Nemesis Prime (but that's not the G2 body). Besides the Nucleon Quest (Ginrai) and the Universe Nemesis Mammoth... am I missing anything?

I like this current paint job, even if it is a bit of a mish-mash. Though some of you bring up a good point of, will we get a 'properly painted Selects version' and... that worries me.

https://toys.tfw2005.com/black-convoy-2017-51241

That's what I thought, the Expo 'Black Convoy' was actually done up as RiD Scourge... so... I guess this is just returning the favor lol

SpikeyTigertron wrote:https://toys.tfw2005.com/black-convoy-2017-51241

That's what I thought, the Expo 'Black Convoy' was actually done up as RiD Scourge... so... I guess this is just returning the favor lol

I think you have it backwards. RiD Scourge has Decepticon Logos. Black Convoy has upside down G2 Autobot logos. The colors of the reds are a little different, but that's because the American versions were cheap knockoffs of the Japanese versions...I never saw it as a 'deco difference', just a choice in materials having owned both simultaneously.

The new Black Convoy is made up more like MP-10B Black Convoy, a primarily black robot, but is still performing the same function as this one is. The confusing part isn't the deco per se, but the choice to go with that deco (as well as the choice NOT to have Laser Optimus have the Autobot G2 equivalent).

ZeroWolf wrote:Looks like Black Convoy here is shaping up to be the decisive figure of 2022 I like him though and I can understand why people aren't happy mind.

Er, "The"? Have you forgotten about Legacy Blitzwing, Wreckers Springer (and the shoehorning of Fossilizers), etc?

"The"???

primalxconvoy wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Looks like Black Convoy here is shaping up to be the decisive figure of 2022 I like him though and I can understand why people aren't happy mind.

Er, "The"? Have you forgotten about Legacy Blitzwing, Wreckers Springer (and the shoehorning of Fossilizers), etc?

"The"???

Who besides you pvc has said anything negative about the upcoming Fossilizers? They aren't even close to divisive. Also I did notice the misspelling of the word by the OP, but am giving them a pass, it's one of those "Nobody calls Soundwave 'uncruzimatic"" moments

o.supreme wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Looks like Black Convoy here is shaping up to be the decisive figure of 2022 I like him though and I can understand why people aren't happy mind.

Er, "The"? Have you forgotten about Legacy Blitzwing, Wreckers Springer (and the shoehorning of Fossilizers), etc?

"The"???

Who besides you pvc has said anything negative about the upcoming Fossilizers? They aren't even close to divisive. Also I did notice the misspelling of the word by the OP, but am giving them a pass, it's one of those "Nobody calls Soundwave 'uncruzimatic"" moments

It's another autocorrect moment, made worse this time as my mind went blank on the spelling so I looked at the list it recommended, and thought that looked right

o.supreme wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Looks like Black Convoy here is shaping up to be the decisive figure of 2022 I like him though and I can understand why people aren't happy mind.

Er, "The"? Have you forgotten about Legacy Blitzwing, Wreckers Springer (and the shoehorning of Fossilizers), etc?

"The"???

Who besides you pvc has said anything negative about the upcoming Fossilizers? They aren't even close to divisive. Also I did notice the misspelling of the word by the OP, but am giving them a pass, it's one of those "Nobody calls Soundwave 'uncruzimatic"" moments

From what I've read online, quite a few people have issues with the fossilizers, hence my comment,l; thus they ARE devisive.

As for "The" it was not the spelling that I highlighted but the use of the definite article over indefinite to denote only "one example of importance", when clearly this isn't the case.

Emerje wrote:I wonder how they got the pink and black parts on the shoulders? On Optimus I would have thought all that gray was on a single sprue, but on Nemesis the parts that would have been gray like his legs are black and clear pink.



I guess that means the abs are the same as the shoulder flaps. But what about the clear part, I can't find any other part that became clear as a result of making that clear. Even stranger that part didn't have to be clear as the missiles are a different part.




Only thing I can think of is they originally based the shoulders on Legends Black Convoy who had a lot of exposed clear pink in the shoulders (unlike the Timelines version that painted over much of that).



This whole figure is kinda mysterious.

Emerje

Isn't the clear pink uses because that same piece under the hood makes the front headlight and thus is needed to be clear?

william-james88 wrote:Isn't the clear pink uses because that same piece under the hood makes the front headlight and thus is needed to be clear?

Optimus has clear headlights too, yet his shoulders are opaque.

Kamex wrote:The reviewer got it wrong, Hasbro/Takara didn't. That was never meant to be RID Scourge, it's Car Robots Black Convoy.

Ok, so then why does he not look anything like Car Robots Black Convoy?

william-james88 wrote:

Kamex wrote:The reviewer got it wrong, Hasbro/Takara didn't. That was never meant to be RID Scourge, it's Car Robots Black Convoy.

Ok, so then why does he not look anything like Car Robots Black Convoy?

Indeed.

Honestly, the decos he most resembles are those of the Takara-exclusives Siege Nemesis Prime, Q-Transformers Black Convoy, and United Darkside Optimus Prime, what with the robot mode's solid black upper-body, red/pink chest windows, and teal torso stripes (a color combination found on the robot modes of no other dual-window-chested Nemesis Prime toys besides those three, two of which are incredibly obscure):





Of the many many many other Nemesis Prime/Black Convoy/Scourge/Darkside Optimus Prime toys (or toys of the good Optimus/Convoy simply wearing black), all of them use different color combinations for their robot modes, the most common of which consisting of a black upper body, red/pink chest windows, and either gray/silver torso stripes instead or no stripes at all with just teal designs throughout the body.

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Isn't the clear pink uses because that same piece under the hood makes the front headlight and thus is needed to be clear?

Optimus has clear headlights too, yet his shoulders are opaque.

Exactly. I'm fine with the clear missiles, it's not covering it up outside of the shoulder covers that I don't understand. I don't have G2 Prime yet (waiting on my Gamestop pre-order to be filled, still says July) so I was under the impression that the clear part was layered under the gray part, but now I'm hearing it's actually one piece covered in gray paint? Starting to feel like they really cheapened out on the paint apps, I guess the bulk of it went to the trailer.

Emerje

I'm pretty sure Toyhax will release a Reprolabels set to "fix" that Scourge. It will most likely be a 25$US or more set though.

Emerje wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Isn't the clear pink uses because that same piece under the hood makes the front headlight and thus is needed to be clear?

Optimus has clear headlights too, yet his shoulders are opaque.

Exactly. I'm fine with the clear missiles, it's not covering it up outside of the shoulder covers that I don't understand. I don't have G2 Prime yet (waiting on my Gamestop pre-order to be filled, still says July) so I was under the impression that the clear part was layered under the gray part, but now I'm hearing it's actually one piece covered in gray paint? Starting to feel like they really cheapened out on the paint apps, I guess the bulk of it went to the trailer.

Emerje

Yup, that's what is my issue with this. It seems Hasblo managed to make either a bad-looking Nemesis Prime and/or Scourge and ended up almost pleasing nobody...

-Kanrabat- wrote:I'm pretty sure Toyhax will release a Reprolabels set to "fix" that Scourge. It will most likely be a 25$US or more set though.

There's so much sculpted detail I'm not actually sure how they would do that. Only thing they could really do is the chest windows and maybe some of the pink leaking out around the shoulders, but not much more. It might take a third party to make properly colored replacement parts to do it right, but I'm guessing that would require knocking out some pins.

Has anyone been complaining about the newly designed teal lines in truck mode? I like the way they look, but I imagine some people prefer the originals which are rarely changed on the various versions of Scourge. I guess ToyHax can "fix" that, too.

Emerje

I like how this could have been an easy opportunity to give some recognition to Car Robots/RiD. Considering they completely ignored the anniversary of both iterations. Yet they couldn't even do that right...

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I like how this could have been an easy opportunity to give some recognition to Car Robots/RiD. Considering they completely ignored the anniversary of both iterations. Yet they couldn't even do that right...

Nah, hasbro only care about two anniversaries really (only recently adding Beast Wars reluctantly) that being G1 and the G1 movie