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Sabrblade wrote:

shockblast2 wrote:Aerialbot Slingshot is not part of the combiner team because Aerialbot Slingshot is DEAD. Doesn't exist. Kaput. Gone. Bye-bye.

Being dead doesn't mean he never existed. He did previously, until he was damaged beyond repair in Superion's last fight with Devastator.

shockblast2 wrote:2. Even if it were, the storyline and characters that began in 2005 are NOT the same as the RID series that runs now.

Yeah they are. It's been one long-running series since then and even current issues flashback to those events from time to time. The big Dark Cybertron event from last year dealt with the Dead Universe that Simon Furman introduced during his term in writing the comic.

Also, it's been established that since barber and Roberts took over, it's been a soft reboot of itself so that they can fix all the plot holes created during the Furman fun run. His slow, measured storyline was eventually abandoned in an attempt to bring in more casual fans with a more G1 Cartoon-inspired revamp in All Hail Megatron. This failed to have the desired effect both in terms of sales and fan-response, so another revamp was attempted with the start of The Transformers ongoing series. It was met with sharp fan criticism as well. Yet another revamp was attempted with two concurrent ongoing series, More Than Meets The Eye and Robots In Disguise. Positive fan response came at last.

Sabrblade wrote:

shockblast2 wrote:Aerialbot Slingshot is not part of the combiner team because Aerialbot Slingshot is DEAD. Doesn't exist. Kaput. Gone. Bye-bye.

Being dead doesn't mean he never existed. He did previously, until he was damaged beyond repair in Superion's last fight with Devastator.

shockblast2 wrote:2. Even if it were, the storyline and characters that began in 2005 are NOT the same as the RID series that runs now.

Yeah they are. It's been one long-running series since then and even current issues flashback to those events from time to time. The big Dark Cybertron event from last year dealt with the Dead Universe that Simon Furman introduced during his term in writing the comic, which was from 2005 to 2008, and which Mike Costa reintroduced in 2011 during his writing term.

You can throw a tantrum about it all day long. Still ain't geewun. If it were, Slingshot would be alive and in wave one.

Sorry.

I'm not even sure what the Generations line is supposed to be anymore. One minute it's making its own updates, next it's lifting them straight out of the comics, next it's being slavishly G1, now it's mostly somewhere between 'G1' and 'update' except for one or two large-ish changes which all becomes "fact" in the comics....


I mean, it's still "new toys for old characters", but I'm not sure what to expect.

shockblast2 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

shockblast2 wrote:Aerialbot Slingshot is not part of the combiner team because Aerialbot Slingshot is DEAD. Doesn't exist. Kaput. Gone. Bye-bye.

Being dead doesn't mean he never existed. He did previously, until he was damaged beyond repair in Superion's last fight with Devastator.

shockblast2 wrote:2. Even if it were, the storyline and characters that began in 2005 are NOT the same as the RID series that runs now.

Yeah they are. It's been one long-running series since then and even current issues flashback to those events from time to time. The big Dark Cybertron event from last year dealt with the Dead Universe that Simon Furman introduced during his term in writing the comic, which was from 2005 to 2008, and which Mike Costa reintroduced in 2011 during his writing term.

You can throw a tantrum about it all day long. Still ain't geewun. If it were, Slingshot would be alive and in wave one.

Sorry.

But you do realize that's not how that works, right?

shockblast2 wrote:Still ain't geewun.

In all of my posts in this discussion, did I claim that it was?

It is true that it isn't a 1980's Sunbow cartoon-related series or Marvel comics-related series, but it is still a Primax series.



Sidenote to all who read this: I really really really really really hate how the terms "Generation 1" and "G1" have so many definitions and connotations that it stirs up debates like this.

SW's SilverHammer wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

shockblast2 wrote:Aerialbot Slingshot is not part of the combiner team because Aerialbot Slingshot is DEAD. Doesn't exist. Kaput. Gone. Bye-bye.

Being dead doesn't mean he never existed. He did previously, until he was damaged beyond repair in Superion's last fight with Devastator.

shockblast2 wrote:2. Even if it were, the storyline and characters that began in 2005 are NOT the same as the RID series that runs now.

Yeah they are. It's been one long-running series since then and even current issues flashback to those events from time to time. The big Dark Cybertron event from last year dealt with the Dead Universe that Simon Furman introduced during his term in writing the comic.

Also, it's been established that since barber and Roberts took over, it's been a soft reboot of itself so that they can fix all the plot holes created during the Furman fun run. His slow, measured storyline was eventually abandoned in an attempt to bring in more casual fans with a more G1 Cartoon-inspired revamp in All Hail Megatron. This failed to have the desired effect both in terms of sales and fan-response, so another revamp was attempted with the start of The Transformers ongoing series. It was met with sharp fan criticism as well. Yet another revamp was attempted with two concurrent ongoing series, More Than Meets The Eye and Robots In Disguise. Positive fan response came at last.

Again, I want to see it in writing. Just because fanboys like to call it geewun doesn't mean it is. AND even if it were, it still isn't g1 because g1 officially ended in 1991.

Here is the OFFICIAL definition of Tranformers G1.

AND I QUOTE

"Transformers: Generation 1 (also known as Generation One or G1) was a children's toy line that ran from 1984 to 1991 and was produced by Hasbro."

TOY LINE

G2 Toyline ran right after that until 1994. Next up was Beast wars/machines. Its OWN continuity and universe. Then came the armada stuff for another five years or so. Again, its own. Then came the classics and universe stuff, which was remakes of the g1 figures in modern vehicles. That continued up until 2011. Then came GENERATIONS. Officially the THIRD release of the SAME line as G1 and G2. Or G3.

We are discussing TOYS. Not comics, cartoons, or video games OR their associated storylines. You cannot call the new toys G1. That would be an oxymoron. G1 ended in 1991 as I showed you above.

shockblast2 wrote:

SW's SilverHammer wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

shockblast2 wrote:Aerialbot Slingshot is not part of the combiner team because Aerialbot Slingshot is DEAD. Doesn't exist. Kaput. Gone. Bye-bye.

Being dead doesn't mean he never existed. He did previously, until he was damaged beyond repair in Superion's last fight with Devastator.

shockblast2 wrote:2. Even if it were, the storyline and characters that began in 2005 are NOT the same as the RID series that runs now.

Yeah they are. It's been one long-running series since then and even current issues flashback to those events from time to time. The big Dark Cybertron event from last year dealt with the Dead Universe that Simon Furman introduced during his term in writing the comic.

Also, it's been established that since barber and Roberts took over, it's been a soft reboot of itself so that they can fix all the plot holes created during the Furman fun run. His slow, measured storyline was eventually abandoned in an attempt to bring in more casual fans with a more G1 Cartoon-inspired revamp in All Hail Megatron. This failed to have the desired effect both in terms of sales and fan-response, so another revamp was attempted with the start of The Transformers ongoing series. It was met with sharp fan criticism as well. Yet another revamp was attempted with two concurrent ongoing series, More Than Meets The Eye and Robots In Disguise. Positive fan response came at last.

Again, I want to see it in writing. Just because fanboys like to call it geewun doesn't mean it is. AND even if it were, it still isn't g1 because g1 officially ended in 1991.

Here is the OFFICIAL definition of Tranformers G1.

AND I QUOTE

"Transformers: Generation 1 (also known as Generation One or G1) was a children's toy line that ran from 1984 to 1991 and was produced by Hasbro."

TOY LINE

G2 Toyline ran right after that until 1994. Next up was Beast wars/machines. Its OWN continuity and universe. Then came the armada stuff for another five years or so. Again, its own. Then came the classics and universe stuff, which was remakes of the g1 figures in modern vehicles. That continued up until 2011. Then came GENERATIONS. Officially the THIRD release of the SAME line as G1 and G2. Or G3.

We are discussing TOYS. Not comics, cartoons, or video games OR their associated storylines. You cannot call the new toys G1. That would be an oxymoron. G1 ended in 1991 as I showed you above.

Neo-g1, Neo-classics, how many times do I have to say it's not G1, Gewwunners hate everything about IDW g1. IDW G1 is a reinterpretation of g1, it's the 2004 Battlestar Galactica of Transformers, the 2014 Godzilla, The Nolan batman, The New 52 of transformers it's a reinterpretation. As for the "confirmation" of the reboot "theory" here you go
Moonbase 2m AA2010 interview with Simon Furman


The toys are a hodgepodge of whatever hasbro wants to do or feels best for the line, some happen to be from IDW some aren't. The comics influence the toys sure, but it's still hasbro's call. They're just "synergizing" the brand so it isn't separate parts, so that the comics and the toys are related more closely.

Noideaforaname wrote:I'm not even sure what the Generations line is supposed to be anymore. One minute it's making its own updates, next it's lifting them straight out of the comics, next it's being slavishly G1, now it's mostly somewhere between 'G1' and 'update' except for one or two large-ish changes which all becomes "fact" in the comics....


I mean, it's still "new toys for old characters", but I'm not sure what to expect.

I don't see much of a difference between what they are doing now and what they did with G1 to G2. And most of the designs were created for the toys and used in the comics, not the other way around. An example of this is Nightbeat. Remember when everyone thought they were using the RTS Jazz mold for it? Even the comic cover was drawn up to resemble this move. And then, they decided to change it to the Bumble bee mold, and rightfully so. Did the cover change? Nope. Because the toys are driving the comics. At least for now.

SW's SilverHammer wrote:

shockblast2 wrote:

SW's SilverHammer wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

shockblast2 wrote:Aerialbot Slingshot is not part of the combiner team because Aerialbot Slingshot is DEAD. Doesn't exist. Kaput. Gone. Bye-bye.

Being dead doesn't mean he never existed. He did previously, until he was damaged beyond repair in Superion's last fight with Devastator.

shockblast2 wrote:2. Even if it were, the storyline and characters that began in 2005 are NOT the same as the RID series that runs now.

Yeah they are. It's been one long-running series since then and even current issues flashback to those events from time to time. The big Dark Cybertron event from last year dealt with the Dead Universe that Simon Furman introduced during his term in writing the comic.

Also, it's been established that since barber and Roberts took over, it's been a soft reboot of itself so that they can fix all the plot holes created during the Furman fun run. His slow, measured storyline was eventually abandoned in an attempt to bring in more casual fans with a more G1 Cartoon-inspired revamp in All Hail Megatron. This failed to have the desired effect both in terms of sales and fan-response, so another revamp was attempted with the start of The Transformers ongoing series. It was met with sharp fan criticism as well. Yet another revamp was attempted with two concurrent ongoing series, More Than Meets The Eye and Robots In Disguise. Positive fan response came at last.

Again, I want to see it in writing. Just because fanboys like to call it geewun doesn't mean it is. AND even if it were, it still isn't g1 because g1 officially ended in 1991.

Here is the OFFICIAL definition of Tranformers G1.

AND I QUOTE

"Transformers: Generation 1 (also known as Generation One or G1) was a children's toy line that ran from 1984 to 1991 and was produced by Hasbro."

TOY LINE

G2 Toyline ran right after that until 1994. Next up was Beast wars/machines. Its OWN continuity and universe. Then came the armada stuff for another five years or so. Again, its own. Then came the classics and universe stuff, which was remakes of the g1 figures in modern vehicles. That continued up until 2011. Then came GENERATIONS. Officially the THIRD release of the SAME line as G1 and G2. Or G3.

We are discussing TOYS. Not comics, cartoons, or video games OR their associated storylines. You cannot call the new toys G1. That would be an oxymoron. G1 ended in 1991 as I showed you above.

Neo-g1, Neo-classics, how many times do I have to say it's not G1, Gewwunners hate everything about IDW g1. IDW G1 is a reinterpretation of g1, it's the 2004 Battlestar Galactica of Transformers, the 2014 Godzilla, The Nolan batman, The New 52 of transformers it's a reinterpretation.

Maybe not. Maybe so. My point is about the toys. And the toys are not (1984 G1) Transformers 2014.

sounds like someone needs to calm down drink and some raspberry tea cause the argument above is starting to bug me more than a infestation of insecticons and scraplets and yes i acknowledge the fact that i am both butting in and trying to end the argument

Rhinox did not exist in G1. Waspinator did not exist in G1. Rat Trap did not exist in G1. Jhaxius did not exist in G1. Alpha Bravo did not exist in G1. Off Road did not exist in G1. Windblade did not exist in G1. Sky-byte did not exist in G1.

Therefore G3 ain't G1.

Nuff said.

shockblast2 wrote:Maybe not. Maybe so. My point is about the toys. And the toys are not (1984 G1) Transformers 2014.

Aaaaaaaand no one said these are g1 toys. They maybe toys based on G1 Characters, they may be based on the IDW interpretation of the characters, hell some are Armada, energon, Cybertron, Car robots, beast wars and beast machines interpretations of the characters. No one said they're G1, some say neo-g1, but that's a misnomer, others say Neo-classics, generations, or even CHUG as quantifiers of the characters presented in the toyline, because they're are very diverse. It just happens allot of hasbros toys these past few years are heavily based on the IDW G1 interpretations of the characters, as supported by the packed in comics.

shockblast2 wrote:Rhinox did not exist in G1. Waspinator did not exist in G1. Rat Trap did not exist in G1. Jhaxius did not exist in G1. Alpha Bravo did not exist in G1. Off Road did not exist in G1. Windblade did not exist in G1. Sky-byte did not exist in G1.

Therefore G3 ain't G1.

Nuff said.

And again going back to the story aspect, this is not NOT G1 this is IDW's take on the mythos of transformers and it happens to be from a generation 1 perspective of it. IDW Rhinox is a different character than beast wars rhinox, Waspinator is a different character than Beast wars waspy, granted that ones up for debate since it was stated once or twice he maaaaaay be a time traveler. Point stands this is not NOT G1 this is IDW's take on the mythos of transformers.

Autobot tap out wrote:sounds like someone needs to calm down drink and some raspberry tea cause the argument above is starting to bug me more than a infestation of insecticons and scraplets and yes i acknowledge the fact that i am both butting in and trying to end the argument

Argument? What argument? I cannot argue what I know to be true. To do so would mean it is my opinion.

But, to satisfy your wish, I would say that Alpha Bravo is a cool addition to the new generation of toys and would love to see more new characters. I am sure we will see at least two more new figures as far as the combiners go. Since this is generations I would love to see Bulkhead created for the G3 line. Or maybe even Lugnut. But, I would say the BEST news for this line is the possibility of an Ultra Magnus being released. And the part is that it seems to be its own mold. Not some lame Optimus repaint.

SW's SilverHammer wrote:

shockblast2 wrote:Maybe not. Maybe so. My point is about the toys. And the toys are not (1984 G1) Transformers 2014.

Aaaaaaaand no one said these are g1 toys. They maybe toys based on G1 Characters, they may be based on the IDW interpretation of the characters, hell some are Armada, energon, Cybertron, Car robots, beast wars and beast machines interpretations of the characters. No one said they're G1, some say neo-g1, but that's a misnomer, others say Neo-classics, generations, or even CHUG as quantifiers of the characters presented in the toyline, because they're are very diverse. It just happens allot of hasbros toys these past few years are heavily based on the IDW G1 interpretations of the characters, as supported by the packed in comics.

shockblast2 wrote:Rhinox did not exist in G1. Waspinator did not exist in G1. Rat Trap did not exist in G1. Jhaxius did not exist in G1. Alpha Bravo did not exist in G1. Off Road did not exist in G1. Windblade did not exist in G1. Sky-byte did not exist in G1.

Therefore G3 ain't G1.

Nuff said.

And again going back to the story aspect, this is not NOT G1 this is IDW's take on the mythos of transformers and it happens to be from a generation 1 perspective of it. IDW Rhinox is a different character than beast wars rhinox, Waspinator is a different character than Beast wars waspy, granted that ones up for debate since it was stated once or twice he maaaaaay be a time traveler. Point stands this is not NOT G1 this is IDW's take on the mythos of transformers.

Your ideology seems to stem from the comics and mine from the toys alone, but we seem to be on the same page.

shockblast2 wrote:And most of the designs were created for the toys and used in the comics, not the other way around. An example of this is Nightbeat. Remember when everyone thought they were using the RTS Jazz mold for it? Even the comic cover was drawn up to resemble this move. And then, they decided to change it to the Bumble bee mold, and rightfully so. Did the cover change? Nope. Because the toys are driving the comics. At least for now.

Nightbeat's comic body isn't based on either the Jazz or the Bumblebee toys, though. It's a comic-only body unrelated to any recent toy (but inspired by the body of the 1988 Nightbeat design, though).

Thanks again to toy blogger blacklai at TFND.net, and via a notification from fellow Seibertron.com user shajaki, we get a look at another Generations Combiner Wars deluxe Aerialbot figure: Firefly! Check out the mirrored images below, and find more here.

Backwards foot again.

I know the legs were like that on the original toy, but the knees probably don't bend that way on these toys.

The hips look less narrow.

Sabrblade wrote:Backwards foot again.

I know the legs were like that on the original toy, but the knees probably don't bend that way on these toys.

Actually, I'm suspecting that the actual knee joints will be in Silverbolt's feet rather that in the limbs' chest. The connector port is directly connected to the head I see now, we'll have to see how it all works out.

And sweet! The connector has two ratchets, one for the hinge and a swiveling peg too!

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Backwards foot again.

I know the legs were like that on the original toy, but the knees probably don't bend that way on these toys.

Actually, I'm suspecting that the actual knee joints will be in Silverbolt's feet rather that in the limbs' chest. The connector port is directly connected to the head I see now, we'll have to see how it all works out.

But Silverbolt's arms appear to form Superion's thighs. Silverbolt's legs appear to make up a portion of Superion's torso.

Superion's knee joint looks to be in Alpha Bravo in this pic:

Sabrblade wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Backwards foot again.

I know the legs were like that on the original toy, but the knees probably don't bend that way on these toys.

Actually, I'm suspecting that the actual knee joints will be in Silverbolt's feet rather that in the limbs' chest. The connector port is directly connected to the head I see now, we'll have to see how it all works out.

But Silverbolt's arms appear to form Superion's thighs. Silverbolt's legs appear to make up a portion of Superion's torso.

Wait... are you saying Silverbolt is making a handstand in torso mode?

Superion's knee joint looks to be in Alpha Bravo in this pic:



And notice that Silverbolt's torso winds up on Superion's crotch.

Would it be so hard for these people to include a size comparison shot?

Sabrblade wrote:Superion's knee joint looks to be in Alpha Bravo in this pic:



And notice that Silverbolt's torso winds up on Superion's crotch.

Well I'll be! Nice catch With this, I'll have to give the designers credit for thinking outside the box.