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Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 12:01 pm**

Yeah, as much as I personally think the Magnus figure looks good, I feel like they could've maybe kept it on hold for a little longer. I'm sure fans and kids would've liked to get even more toys of the cool big metal guys they saw on the big screen pretty recently.
I honestly would've been happy with something past movieverse too but it would've made more sense if it was Stratosphere instead.

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 12:04 pm**

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Magnus is a complete and utter waste.

Dude has gotten 5 toys of Leader class or larger in the past 10 years, and he has gotten 4 in the past 5 years.

His latest toy was only 2 years ago.

He is completely redundant, and he takes away a slot in a size class that is finally granted to SS.

That slot should have been Stratosphere. He would've released with his movie brothers and sisters too. The timing was perfect.

Ultra Magnus is a toy that should have been pushed 2-3 years out.

If they hadn't released Magnus, there wouldn't be a movieverse Commander instead; there just wouldn't be an SS Commander class at all. Honestly, now that they have one, they're probably more likely to do those other Commanders than they were before.

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 12:06 pm**

Clear plastic on Voyager Ratchet? Bah - and here we thought they'd learned their lesson...

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 12:07 pm**

AcademyofDrX wrote:
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Magnus is a complete and utter waste.

Dude has gotten 5 toys of Leader class or larger in the past 10 years, and he has gotten 4 in the past 5 years.

His latest toy was only 2 years ago.

He is completely redundant, and he takes away a slot in a size class that is finally granted to SS.

That slot should have been Stratosphere. He would've released with his movie brothers and sisters too. The timing was perfect.

Ultra Magnus is a toy that should have been pushed 2-3 years out.

If they hadn't released Magnus, there wouldn't be a movieverse Commander instead; there just wouldn't be an SS Commander class at all. Honestly, now that they have one, they're more likely to appear than they were before.

Stratosphere could easily have been the first. They have been talking about movie commanders since 2019, seeing as how they conceptualized Scavenger as a commander.

they could easily have done it.

This is the team catering to the plus 40 class of G1 fanboys by releasing new versions of G1 guys every 2-5 years in a circlejerk showoff.

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 12:11 pm**

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:
AcademyofDrX wrote:
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Magnus is a complete and utter waste.

Dude has gotten 5 toys of Leader class or larger in the past 10 years, and he has gotten 4 in the past 5 years.

His latest toy was only 2 years ago.

He is completely redundant, and he takes away a slot in a size class that is finally granted to SS.

That slot should have been Stratosphere. He would've released with his movie brothers and sisters too. The timing was perfect.

Ultra Magnus is a toy that should have been pushed 2-3 years out.

If they hadn't released Magnus, there wouldn't be a movieverse Commander instead; there just wouldn't be an SS Commander class at all. Honestly, now that they have one, they're more likely to appear than they were before.

Stratosphere could easily have been the first. They have been talking about movie commanders since 2019, seeing as how they conceptualized Scavenger as a commander.

they could easily have done it.

This is the team catering to the plus 40 class of G1 fanboys by releasing new versions of G1 guys every 2-5 years in a circlejerk showoff.

I don't know why the Bay-fans have such a mad on for SS86. It's helped keep the line alive. They've been talking about SS Commanders for years but haven't done it, which suggests they don't have faith that they'll be successful. I'm not sure that launching the class with a character who was only in a couple minutes in the last movie would be a great idea.

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 12:16 pm**

Hey, launching toys of characters with barely any screentime is the movieverse's best skill! :lol:

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 12:18 pm**

AcademyofDrX wrote:
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:
AcademyofDrX wrote:
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Magnus is a complete and utter waste.

Dude has gotten 5 toys of Leader class or larger in the past 10 years, and he has gotten 4 in the past 5 years.

His latest toy was only 2 years ago.

He is completely redundant, and he takes away a slot in a size class that is finally granted to SS.

That slot should have been Stratosphere. He would've released with his movie brothers and sisters too. The timing was perfect.

Ultra Magnus is a toy that should have been pushed 2-3 years out.

If they hadn't released Magnus, there wouldn't be a movieverse Commander instead; there just wouldn't be an SS Commander class at all. Honestly, now that they have one, they're more likely to appear than they were before.

Stratosphere could easily have been the first. They have been talking about movie commanders since 2019, seeing as how they conceptualized Scavenger as a commander.

they could easily have done it.

This is the team catering to the plus 40 class of G1 fanboys by releasing new versions of G1 guys every 2-5 years in a circlejerk showoff.

I don't know why the Bay-fans have such a mad on for SS86. It's helped keep the line alive. They've been talking about SS Commanders for years but haven't done it, which suggests they don't have faith that they'll be successful. I'm not sure that launching the class with a character who was only in a couple minutes in the last movie would be a great idea.

Holy **** christ, I am not saying this as a bay fan, and the character that is should have been was from the newest film that bay didn't direct!

"kept the line alive" - the line could have and should have been done by now. I don't want a perpetual line; i want one that completes what it needs to and is done.

"don't have faith that they'll be successful" - they literally put SKY LYNX into the Commander slot. they put MOTORMASTER into a commander slot. If you are under 40, you have no idea who those are unless you watched RiD2015 for Motormaster.

Statosphere is simultaneously a movie legacy character thanks to the RotF toy, and he was in the movie. You cannot get a better look than that.

And you seem to gloss completely over the fact that Magnus just got a new toy 2 YEARS AGO!!!! And before you say a thing about movie bots or whatever, Magnus has not looked like this commander on any screen since 1987. He has no fiction right now supporting his look.

It is G1 circlejerk. It's why I now hate G1. It's why I will call Hasbro out on their bullshit like this, like Ironhide, Ratchet, etc.

STOP RE-DOING A CHARACTER BECAUSE IT PREDATES 1987 EVERY 2-5 YEARS!!!!! IT IS NOT NECESSARY. THERE ARE MANY OTHER OPTIONS OUT THERE FOR YOU

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 12:22 pm**

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:
AcademyofDrX wrote:
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:
AcademyofDrX wrote:
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Magnus is a complete and utter waste.

Dude has gotten 5 toys of Leader class or larger in the past 10 years, and he has gotten 4 in the past 5 years.

His latest toy was only 2 years ago.

He is completely redundant, and he takes away a slot in a size class that is finally granted to SS.

That slot should have been Stratosphere. He would've released with his movie brothers and sisters too. The timing was perfect.

Ultra Magnus is a toy that should have been pushed 2-3 years out.

If they hadn't released Magnus, there wouldn't be a movieverse Commander instead; there just wouldn't be an SS Commander class at all. Honestly, now that they have one, they're more likely to appear than they were before.

Stratosphere could easily have been the first. They have been talking about movie commanders since 2019, seeing as how they conceptualized Scavenger as a commander.

they could easily have done it.

This is the team catering to the plus 40 class of G1 fanboys by releasing new versions of G1 guys every 2-5 years in a circlejerk showoff.

I don't know why the Bay-fans have such a mad on for SS86. It's helped keep the line alive. They've been talking about SS Commanders for years but haven't done it, which suggests they don't have faith that they'll be successful. I'm not sure that launching the class with a character who was only in a couple minutes in the last movie would be a great idea.

Holy **** christ, I am not saying this as a bay fan, and the character that is should have been was from the newest film that bay didn't direct!

"kept the line alive" - the line could have and should have been done by now. I don't want a perpetual line; i want one that completes what it needs to and is done.

"don't have faith that they'll be successful" - they literally put SKY LYNX into the Commander slot. they put MOTORMASTER into a commander slot. If you are under 40, you have no idea who those are unless you watched RiD2015 for Motormaster.

Statosphere is simultaneously a movie legacy character thanks to the RotF toy, and he was in the movie. You cannot get a better look than that.

And you seem to gloss completely over the fact that Magnus just got a new toy 2 YEARS AGO!!!! And before you say a thing about movie bots or whatever, Magnus has not looked like this commander on any screen since 1987. He has no fiction right now supporting his look.

It is G1 circlejerk. It's why I now hate G1. It's why I will call Hasbro out on their bullshit like this, like Ironhide, Ratchet, etc.

STOP RE-DOING A CHARACTER BECAUSE IT PREDATES 1987 EVERY 2-5 YEARS!!!!! IT IS NOT NECESSARY. THERE ARE MANY OTHER OPTIONS OUT THERE FOR YOU

Well I'm going to buy it

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 12:23 pm**

I likely will, too, but I do think it would've been interesting to see a movieverse bot in its place to be honest.

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 12:27 pm**

AcademyofDrX wrote:Well I'm going to buy it

Good for you, I am happy you are getting what you wanted. I am.

But we are still getting yet another G1 Magnus, who has been irrelevant for 35 years now on screen, in a $90 package, 2 years after we just got his last toy, as a $55 package.

And they completely ignored the actual big guy who was in the movie this year, and whose movie teammates are all being released this year.

I can be happy for you and still pissed off at the boomer catering that Hasbro continues to do.

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 12:30 pm**

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:But we are still getting yet another G1 Magnus, who has been irrelevant for 35 years now on screen,

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 12:31 pm**

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:
I can be happy for you and still pissed off at the boomer catering that Hasbro continues to do.

Oh man, G1ers really are the boomers of TFs. Now I feel bad for both of us. Sorry to pick at the scab.

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 12:35 pm**

Sabrblade wrote:
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:But we are still getting yet another G1 Magnus, who has been irrelevant for 35 years now on screen,

Dude showed up, got tortured, did nothing, died, and then his best moment in the series was as a corpse, in a series that was basically panned and is considered one of the 3 worst TF shows ever.

can't get much more irrelevant than that.

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 12:36 pm**

I guess that's less "irrelevant" and more "unfortunate"! :lol:

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 12:36 pm**

AcademyofDrX wrote:
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:
I can be happy for you and still pissed off at the boomer catering that Hasbro continues to do.

Oh man, G1ers really are the boomers of TFs. Now I feel bad for both of us. Sorry to pick at the scab.

When they keep redoing figures from a show that was made and concluded 7 full years before I was born, and there is a lot of good stuff that has happened since to pull from, it get's really agonizing.

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 12:53 pm**

Wait, I only JUST noticed.

In Nova Prime's Stock photo, his right "Ear" is broken! Like, completely snapped off and falling off!

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 12:55 pm**

Oh wow, yeah looks like it might've gotten snapped on the way to the photoshoot and nobody picked up on it! (Or they likely had a deadline and said "Eh, screw it." :lol:

)

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 1:09 pm**

Fantastic stuff. I especially like Nova Prime, and the Powerlinx Minicons.

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 1:10 pm**

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Magnus is a complete and utter waste.

Dude has gotten 5 toys of Leader class or larger in the past 10 years, and he has gotten 4 in the past 5 years.

His latest toy was only 2 years ago.

He is completely redundant, and he takes away a slot in a size class that is finally granted to SS.

That slot should have been Stratosphere. He would've released with his movie brothers and sisters too. The timing was perfect.

Ultra Magnus is a toy that should have been pushed 2-3 years out.

While I am a fairly big fan Of Magnus, and certainly more than I am of Stratosphere, I very much agree with everything you said. His character has sufficiently been covered in the last five years not to need yet another release so soon, especially at a Commander price when it should have gone to almost anyone else. And being close proximity to a movie year it does make more sense for it to be Stratosphere for the simply fact you can tackle a new Ultra Magnus at any time while a movie bot does have limited window of appeal for the masses.

I don't really buy it that if it wasn't for Magnus there wouldn't even be a Commander, let alone one for ROTB. Are they really that limited to who would sell as a Commander that it has to only be G1 inspired main characters? Now I'm not really into Movie designs and do focus only on G1 but surely they can branch out a little with some of these choices.

I also don't keep up on movie releases so I don't know what all they have done other than mainly Leader Voyager DLX class. Granted Commander is a relatively new class with only 1-2 per year? So you can't really cover as much ground as you would with voyagers.

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 1:38 pm**

Feels weird to say Magnus has to be the one to spearhead the commander class for studio series, in my opinion
I thought it was pretty awesome that Devastator spearheaded the introduction of combiners to studio series, and while that was done gradually, I think it shows they have faith letting a movieverse bot do such a thing, and Stratosphere from their Brand Spanking New Movie would've been a good choice instead.
They'll probably end up announcing Stratosphere after this anyway, and hey, maybe it might end up like the Hound/Detritus situation where Stratosphere could end up releasing first!

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:42 pm**

Aren't boomers generally the people that actually voiced g1? Hahahah so with that misconception corrected arguably it is the siege and all the retools that have been an utter waste, especially that netflix one (except that some kids and adults will have had fun playing with those figures).
As for a waste of an assigned figure over a non character like rotb stratosphere (who would make for a cool toy with a different head) the commander class might have been from the games. Magnus is just opening the doors, Rodimus was thought to be a waste of commander class but if there is more of them to come then it matters not.

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:52 pm**

SpaceEagle wrote:Feels weird to say Magnus has to be the one to spearhead the commander class for studio series, in my opinion

I mean, he does have the most prominent focus on the movie's poster, and was Optimus Prime's hand-picked successor.

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:54 pm**

I never said Magnus was unimportant, I'm just still on the idea of it being introduced later. I also never said he shouldn't be commander class, only that it was weird to have him spearhead the introduction of the class into Studio Series instead of Stratosphere.

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:56 pm**

SpaceEagle wrote:I never said Magnus was unimportant, I'm just still on the idea of it being introduced later. I also never said he shouldn't be commander class, only that it was weird to have him spearhead the introduction of the class into Studio Series instead of Stratosphere.

There's also the fact that this toy likely won't be released until next year, the year of the brand's 40th anniversary, which this toy was likely made at all in order to help celebrate that.

Posted: **Fri Jul 21, 2023 2:57 pm**

Sabrblade wrote:
SpaceEagle wrote:I never said Magnus was unimportant, I'm just still on the idea of it being introduced later. I also never said he shouldn't be commander class, only that it was weird to have him spearhead the introduction of the class into Studio Series instead of Stratosphere.
There's also the fact that this toy likely won't be released until next year, the year of the brand's 40th anniversary, which this toy was likely made at all in order to help celebrate that.

Haha yeah, that's why I joked about us probably having a Hound/Detritus moment where Stratosphere could very well be released earlier anyway! :lol:

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