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Emerje wrote:I'm glad they left out the bottom jaw on Skullgrin. He just doesn't look right with a full mouth.

I hope there's another weapons pack in the works to finish Crankcases shoulder guns.

Emerje

Except the original G1 toy DID have a full mouth. The lower jaw, complete with the lower two front teeth and tongue were molded into the torso and unpainted.

While true, the fact that they didn't bother to paint the lower half (had they done so, we probably wouldn't be having this conversation) is probably why many think he doesn't have a lower jaw to begin with. At first glance you can't see it. Personally, I like it this way, and I don't think there would be many who care anyway a bit like the Rumble no elbows situation.

ZeroWolf wrote:While true, the fact that they didn't bother to paint the lower half (had they done so, we probably wouldn't be having this conversation) is probably why many think he doesn't have a lower jaw to begin with. At first glance you can't see it. Personally, I like it this way, and I don't think there would be many who care anyway a bit like the Rumble no elbows situation.

Skull GRINs because he's got a lower jaw. Without it, he would just be called "Skull".

That chest transformation for Crankcase is GENIUS.

A bit disappointed that BombBurst is a Core, but his design is perfect.
I'll get both.

primalxconvoy wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:While true, the fact that they didn't bother to paint the lower half (had they done so, we probably wouldn't be having this conversation) is probably why many think he doesn't have a lower jaw to begin with. At first glance you can't see it. Personally, I like it this way, and I don't think there would be many who care anyway a bit like the Rumble no elbows situation.

Skull GRINs because he's got a lower jaw. Without it, he would just be called "Skull".

Skullgrins with His Lower Jaw.jpg

And?

My last statement still stands. I've seen far more complaints about which size class he is rather then a missing jaw.

ZeroWolf wrote:I've seen far more complaints about which size class he is rather then a missing jaw.

Who was complaining?

Legacy Pointblank/Blanker with Peacemaker review.

https://youtu.be/1Rt-QsGo9A8

Generator_G1 wrote:Legacy Pointblank/Blanker with Peacemaker review.

For those wishing to discuss the obvious elephant in the room regarding yet another "Tealeaf":

- https://www.allspark.com/forums/threads ... post-45224

primalxconvoy wrote:

Generator_G1 wrote:Legacy Pointblank/Blanker with Peacemaker review.

For those wishing to discuss the obvious elephant in the room regarding yet another "Tealeaf":

- https://www.allspark.com/forums/threads ... post-45224

There is absolutely no point.
Unless as a Karen, you feel good Karening with other Karens.

So you do you. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Springer is such a good time.

WREX N' RULE!!!



CHARGE!!!

Bombburst looks much better than expected. Its pretty much the G1 inner toy's al mode. and the shel with added articulation.


Hmmm... gotta say it.... "Does it come in black?"....

O.k, I'll walk myself out now...

Nice.
Now I want him riding Razorclaw!

Interesting to see the note. Megatrons head is different just because it is. I like the transformation on him but think I'll be waiting for a chromed selects version (they cant just have dug out the chrome machine just for Hades Megatron...)

With crankcase being a partial and money theyve saved on skids liely being used 3-4 times alone is a shame crankcase didnt get a bit more. Robot mode is way better than G1 and although it still kinda feels like it needs upgrades I'll be picking it up having happily passed on Skids. He's definitely getting a Decepticon symbol facing the way I want it to though.

Bombburst looks great and I'll pick him up. Having said that the size class clash with skullgrin menas I'll be passing on Skullgrin. Partly because of that and partly because i dont want another cybertonian lump alt mode. Skullgrins bot modes good enough to make up for the alt but the lack of a lower jaw is definitely a hting. Maybe hasbro wanting to make a bit on the side there with another upgrade pack.

I still think the best way to do the Pretenders for the modern era would have been to expand on the Prime Master figures from Power of the Primes. Each Pretender would have a standard sized figure of appropriate scale designed to match the inner robot. They would be Headmasters as well, so that the heads can hide inside their Pretender shells, which can be configured into a weapon mode for the vehicle or robot mode to wield. You still get the functionality of the original toys, except the shells are smaller to fit just a Headmaster, not the entire robot or vehicle.

Wolfman Jake wrote:I still think the best way to do the Pretenders for the modern era would have been to expand on the Prime Master figures from Power of the Primes. Each Pretender would have a standard sized figure of appropriate scale designed to match the inner robot. They would be Headmasters as well, so that the heads can hide inside their Pretender shells, which can be configured into a weapon mode for the vehicle or robot mode to wield. You still get the functionality of the original toys, except the shells are smaller to fit just a Headmaster, not the entire robot or vehicle.

Nah. Core class figures based on the inner robot. Updated with more convincing alt modes and transformations. They can also transform into a more compact form, vehicle mode would work for some, so they can fit into deluxe sized hollow (articulated) shells. This can probably all fit into the deluxe budget. If not then voyager. I honestly would be fine if they just made the inner robot, and someone made upgrade kits with a slightly articulated. shell.

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primalxconvoy wrote:

Generator_G1 wrote:Legacy Pointblank/Blanker with Peacemaker review.

For those wishing to discuss the obvious elephant in the room regarding yet another "Tealeaf":

- https://www.allspark.com/forums/threads ... post-45224

There is absolutely no point.
Unless as a Karen, you feel good Karening with other Karens.

So you do you. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

joe is such an amateur reviewer he doesn't deserve any of the early reviews he is getting. I could make a better review even though I've never made one before.

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:I still think the best way to do the Pretenders for the modern era would have been to expand on the Prime Master figures from Power of the Primes. Each Pretender would have a standard sized figure of appropriate scale designed to match the inner robot. They would be Headmasters as well, so that the heads can hide inside their Pretender shells, which can be configured into a weapon mode for the vehicle or robot mode to wield. You still get the functionality of the original toys, except the shells are smaller to fit just a Headmaster, not the entire robot or vehicle.

Nah. Core class figures based on the inner robot. Updated with more convincing alt modes and transformations. They can also transform into a more compact form, vehicle mode would work for some, so they can fit into deluxe sized hollow (articulated) shells. This can probably all fit into the deluxe budget. If not then voyager. I honestly would be fine if they just made the inner robot, and someone made upgrade kits with a slightly articulated. shell.

The issue with that though is then the Pretenders are then out of scale when you use the Masterforce versions where the shells were smaller and the inner bots were the same size as most of the other Transformers seen.

Personally, if we got them at voyager price points, I'd want them to include figures of the shells that turn into weapons like Peacemaker from Pointblank, and then also include armor that attaches to a deluxe size inner bot Ultra Magnus style to homage the Marvel comics version where the shell was still full size. Whether or not the pretender armor would have a human face or go with a robot face is up to the designer, though I'd be fine either way

Sentinel_Primal wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:I still think the best way to do the Pretenders for the modern era would have been to expand on the Prime Master figures from Power of the Primes. Each Pretender would have a standard sized figure of appropriate scale designed to match the inner robot. They would be Headmasters as well, so that the heads can hide inside their Pretender shells, which can be configured into a weapon mode for the vehicle or robot mode to wield. You still get the functionality of the original toys, except the shells are smaller to fit just a Headmaster, not the entire robot or vehicle.

Nah. Core class figures based on the inner robot. Updated with more convincing alt modes and transformations. They can also transform into a more compact form, vehicle mode would work for some, so they can fit into deluxe sized hollow (articulated) shells. This can probably all fit into the deluxe budget. If not then voyager. I honestly would be fine if they just made the inner robot, and someone made upgrade kits with a slightly articulated. shell.

The issue with that though is then the Pretenders are then out of scale when you use the Masterforce versions where the shells were smaller and the inner bots were the same size as most of the other Transformers seen.

Personally, if we got them at voyager price points, I'd want them to include figures of the shells that turn into weapons like Peacemaker from Pointblank, and then also include armor that attaches to a deluxe size inner bot Ultra Magnus style to homage the Marvel comics version where the shell was still full size. Whether or not the pretender armor would have a human face or go with a robot face is up to the designer, though I'd be fine either way

I don't much care for "recreating the masterforce characters", unless they are someone like Minerva or double-dealer. To me, blood is cloudburst. But if you want perfect masterforce scale, the power of the primes should do. for now. But for the deception pretenders they turn into monster, which have every right to be giant. That shouldn't be a problem, especially if the vehicle modes aren't very big (like a motorcycle or a dune buggy)

I would love to be wrong, but I don't think we'll ever get these ideas for pretenders.

(Balls in your court Hasbro, prove me wrong)

Nah, Pretenders should be fully poseable shells, or at least, clip-on armour pieces and/or helmets for specific range of figures. The play pattern would be the interchangeability of the armour pieces, similar to Weaponisers and Fossilizers.

I'm surprised one of the Legends-scale 3P companies haven't started making the inner robots (which might be in scale with CHUG if they were in their larger sized figures by those companies), while they, or someone else, sold larger shells with "storage areas" inside them...

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:I still think the best way to do the Pretenders for the modern era would have been to expand on the Prime Master figures from Power of the Primes. Each Pretender would have a standard sized figure of appropriate scale designed to match the inner robot. They would be Headmasters as well, so that the heads can hide inside their Pretender shells, which can be configured into a weapon mode for the vehicle or robot mode to wield. You still get the functionality of the original toys, except the shells are smaller to fit just a Headmaster, not the entire robot or vehicle.

Nah. Core class figures based on the inner robot. Updated with more convincing alt modes and transformations. They can also transform into a more compact form, vehicle mode would work for some, so they can fit into deluxe sized hollow (articulated) shells. This can probably all fit into the deluxe budget. If not then voyager. I honestly would be fine if they just made the inner robot, and someone made upgrade kits with a slightly articulated. shell.

This is pretty much what I've been asking as a Pretender upgrade (either that or snap-on armor, but I think Core figures on Deluxe shells are much closer to the concept). Maybe increase to Voyager/Leader class shells for the Mega/Ultra/Double/Monster Pretenders for the increased engineering their added gimmicks require.

william-james88 wrote:

Legacy Deluxe Pretender Skullgrin was a project challenge that really wreaked havoc on my emotions.

Last minute these Pretenders were approved for slots slated for dropped characters.

Interesting to note that this basically confirms the Pretenders replaced the Energon Monsters from the early listings. EDIT: Huh, so this is what it feels to be ninja'ed.

Wonder why they changed that; could be because they didn't want to sell new characters without the cancelled Netflix Legacy show to promote them, but that didn't stop Modulators and Fossilizers in the last 2/3 of WfC. Maybe it was a quality/safety issue?

Also wonder why they used a new "mold" for Peacemaker instead of a Battlemaster retool, or even the Legends mold. Are plastic prices really that high?

According to the TFW2005 covering, Armada Starscream's wing-sword is gray instead of red because the red clashed with the Star Saber. Question: why wasn't the accuracy priority given to the weapon actually associated to the character?
...Actually, bigger question: why do the wing-sword at all if it's not going to keep the wing-to-sword gimmick?!

ZeroWolf wrote:I would love to be wrong, but I don't think we'll ever get these ideas for pretenders.

(Balls in your court Hasbro, prove me wrong)

I know. But it still NEEDS to happen. Kinda makes me made when hasbro claims they are making new g1 accurate figures but they are heavily changed so much the original idea doesn't mean anything anymore. A non-fan who is buying for someone else would just assume they are mutants, never guessing about the shells.

Vroom and Crossblades modern style but retaining their full human "bot mode" needs to happen .

MaximalNui wrote:Also wonder why they used a new "mold" for Peacemaker instead of a Battlemaster retool, or even the Legends mold. Are plastic prices really that high?

Well every single Deluxe-and-higher figure that has included a Battlemaster mold has been an exclusive, and all but one of them have had prices higher than/outside the normal retail price points, so....

I think something to note is also that Mark specifically said during the stream that Pretenders couldn't be done at less than leader, maybe voyager. And we know we should be getting a voyager Metalhawk next year. We'll probably see how it looks at Pulsecon, but it's just an interesting thing to note, especially with the question of if fans want the shells to come back