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The head sculpt is spot on. And why didn't I see that? I have that toy!

[quote="Arctorro"]Amazon listings for CW Huffer and Blackjack with in package photos.



The version of Huffer on the package art looks so much better he even has a flap behind his head.

william-james88 wrote:Guys, you do know that the Optimus drawing is a fantasy situation right? And not supposed to be taken as a toy accurate interpretation of Combiner Wars? The fact that the colour scheme mimics perfectly the suggested Optimus Combination for Ultra Prime (in back of his box) makes it clear that it's this they are doing and not an indication that Bruticus is coming.

In any case, we already had a generations Bruticus.

I agree, that's probably an better example of orcams razor. People are only saying about Bruticus because of rumours about defensor and that alpha Bravo is an helicopter

ZeroWolf wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Guys, you do know that the Optimus drawing is a fantasy situation right? And not supposed to be taken as a toy accurate interpretation of Combiner Wars? The fact that the colour scheme mimics perfectly the suggested Optimus Combination for Ultra Prime (in back of his box) makes it clear that it's this they are doing and not an indication that Bruticus is coming.

In any case, we already had a generations Bruticus.

I agree, that's probably an better example of orcams razor. People are only saying about Bruticus because of rumours about defensor and that alpha Bravo is an helicopter

Wow, I just learnt about Orcam's razor, this site sure has some educated people around.

Sabrblade wrote:

Cobotron wrote:The dinobot thing is a real rumor.

From what source?

Sabrblade, you got me. The source was my imagination. I just think it's awesome that this thread has 26 pages consisting of 92% speculation. I wanted to keep that ball rolling.

Although, I think a Dinobot team would be cool. I'm playing catch up on the comics, but where is Grimlok now? This would be a good reason to bring him back.
I feel like Hasbro might want to keep riding the Dinobot wave. Every toy maker knows Dinosaurs +anything=$$$$$

Sabrblade wrote:

Va'al wrote:

Huffer's artwork is based on the previous Reveal the Shield Legends Optimus Prime toy instead of the Generations Legends Optimus that the actual Huffer toy is a remold of. Oops.

Good eye Sabr B. That is totally the mini Prime.
In regards to the Ultra Prime illustration, I think it's important not to take the art for verbatim. If you look over 30 years of box art you will find a lot of inconsistencies through "artist's interpretation". (This, coming from a guy who just tried to start a rumor )

I think this mold almost makes a better Huffer than a Prime. He fits right into the classics line up. I'm so glad they are finally doing the mini's. Pipes is a no brainer.

william-james88 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Guys, you do know that the Optimus drawing is a fantasy situation right? And not supposed to be taken as a toy accurate interpretation of Combiner Wars? The fact that the colour scheme mimics perfectly the suggested Optimus Combination for Ultra Prime (in back of his box) makes it clear that it's this they are doing and not an indication that Bruticus is coming.

In any case, we already had a generations Bruticus.

I agree, that's probably an better example of orcams razor. People are only saying about Bruticus because of rumours about defensor and that alpha Bravo is an helicopter

Wow, I just learnt about Orcam's razor, this site sure has some educated people around.

*cough* Occam's razor. *cough*

Alright. Somebody let me in. What's Orcam's razor?

Cobotron wrote:Sabrblade, you got me. The source was my imagination. I just think it's awesome that this thread has 26 pages consisting of 92% speculation. I wanted to keep that ball rolling.

oh cobo, you should know better


TELL US WHERE YOU HEARD THE RUMOUR!!!

Sorry wolfman I spell it how I say it

Cobotron wrote:Alright. Somebody let me in. What's Orcam's razor?

Well, Occam's razor states that in a situation with numerous possible explanations to describe some phenomenon, the explanation with the least number of assumptions made is preferred to any other, until or unless that assumption is otherwise disproven with new evidence or data.

ZeroWolf wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Guys, you do know that the Optimus drawing is a fantasy situation right? And not supposed to be taken as a toy accurate interpretation of Combiner Wars? The fact that the colour scheme mimics perfectly the suggested Optimus Combination for Ultra Prime (in back of his box) makes it clear that it's this they are doing and not an indication that Bruticus is coming.

In any case, we already had a generations Bruticus.

I agree, that's probably an better example of orcams razor. People are only saying about Bruticus because of rumours about defensor and that alpha Bravo is an helicopter

No, it is because Bruticus is one of the five original gestalts and is only logical to be one of the combiners in the series.

Cobotron wrote:Alright. Somebody let me in. What's Orcam's razor?

Occam's razor is the idea that the hypothesis with the less assumptions is the correct one. There is a hypothesis that both the earth and the sun are the center of the galaxy. But the hypothesis regarding the sun being at the center has far less assumptions than the hypothesis about the earth being at the center.

Now, Optimus' arm being Dragstrip in the drawing has less assumptions than it being blast off. His arm being blast off assumes that there will be a blast off figure in that color scheme released, while there is no assumption to be made that dragstrip will be released, we already know he is.

Hence, there are less assumptions that Optimus is made up of those wave one figures than the yet to be revealed wave two figures. Occam's razor is the hypothesis with the least assumptions, and thus that Optimus drawing being of his combined form with the same transformers he is seen combined with on the back of his very own box is Occam's razor in this particular case.

It could also be this:

shockblast2 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Guys, you do know that the Optimus drawing is a fantasy situation right? And not supposed to be taken as a toy accurate interpretation of Combiner Wars? The fact that the colour scheme mimics perfectly the suggested Optimus Combination for Ultra Prime (in back of his box) makes it clear that it's this they are doing and not an indication that Bruticus is coming.

In any case, we already had a generations Bruticus.

I agree, that's probably an better example of orcams razor. People are only saying about Bruticus because of rumours about defensor and that alpha Bravo is an helicopter

No, it is because Bruticus is one of the five original gestalts and is only logical to be one of the combiners in the series.

However, Combiner Wars is *directly* linked (multimedia cross-release) to the IDW exRID and next Windblade comics, and there has been no mention of Bruticus yet.

shockblast2 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Guys, you do know that the Optimus drawing is a fantasy situation right? And not supposed to be taken as a toy accurate interpretation of Combiner Wars? The fact that the colour scheme mimics perfectly the suggested Optimus Combination for Ultra Prime (in back of his box) makes it clear that it's this they are doing and not an indication that Bruticus is coming.

In any case, we already had a generations Bruticus.

I agree, that's probably an better example of orcams razor. People are only saying about Bruticus because of rumours about defensor and that alpha Bravo is an helicopter

No, it is because Bruticus is one of the five original gestalts and is only logical to be one of the combiners in the series.

I dont think looking at the 5 original "gestalts" is the right way to look for waht they will do. Also, the word gestalt gets thrown around but it wasn't used back in the G1 days.
I believe the best thing to look at are teh Scramble City combiners because this is what Hasbro is doing with the 2 confirmed releases of Combiner Wars so far. They are not releasing Devastator within this line (as the rumour has it) because he was not part of the Scramble City line or type of combiner (he had 6 robots of the same size forming one bigger robot which is different).

Good news to you though, Bruticus was a Scramble City combiner, which means he is on the shortlist I have copy pasted below:

Autobots: Aerialbots (Superion), Protectobots (Defensor), Technobots (Computron)
Decepticons: Stunticons (Menasor), Combaticons (Bruticus), Terrorcons (Abominus)

What I really meant for with this post was to show you what logic would work best to show that Bruticus has a chance of appearing. I still think it would be odd to see another Bruticus release (with a generations Bruticus already available in a bunch of different releases and decos, a PPC Bruticus-like figure also available, and a magnificent Universe Onslaught figure (we will have so many Onslaughts now)).

But then again, they just amde a pretty faithful Abominus in the Prime line, so it really could go either way between Bruticus and Abominus. And with all the evidence of it being Defensor for the autobots, I am still really hoping for Computron.

Ah, Occam's razor.
Not to be confused with Orcam's razor...

Thanks fellas. Either way, it would be cutting holes all through this thread.

Don't forget the seacons were made scramble-city style and in their bw2 release they were only a five member team.

Also I forgot the new wingblade series that will probably allow for some other gesalt.

This looks to be the closest IDW series yet.

I wonder if it'll ever possible to do an all fembot combiner team

RiddlerJ wrote:I wonder if it'll ever possible to do an all fembot combiner team

That would be COOL!
She runs on Estragon.
Hope she gets paid the same as her male co-workers.

Now that's what I call "not" Huffer.

Once more, toy-blogger blacklai of TFND.net has uploaded images of one of the anticipated Generations: Combiner Wars figures, the newest being Aerialbot Skydive! The images show off his beefiness, his new F-18 jet mode, and his arm configuration. The images have been mirrored below for your viewing convenience!




















With the new images of Skydive, it brings the series of first in-hand images of the first wave of Generations: Combiner Wars Deluxes. We can only hope that we get in-hand images of the first wave of Voyagers: Silverbolt and Optimus Prime.

Why are we discussing the Huffer toy in a Combiner Wars thread ?

william-james88 wrote:Why are we discussing the Huffer toy in a Combiner Wars thread ?

cause he can pull ultra primes trailer when he's off being ultra

What can you with the individual bot mode guns?

Va'al wrote:Isn't the artwork from the Legends game? Would that not explain the 'mix-up'?

Nope. Though it is drawn in the style of the Legends game, it is brand new art. Huffer's robot mode Legends artworks look like these: