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Posted: **Wed Jan 04, 2017 10:43 am**

Kurona wrote:Execute me for hearsay, but awesome combined mode aside; I honestly prefer Hasbro's PM OP to this. The feet on Takara's are really starting to kill it for me, the different Titan Master is redundant and just makes the eyes look a little weird inside the helmet... and honestly, I really prefer the updated design on PM OP to the accurate chest on this one. It's just starting to look off.
The arms at least are undoubtedly better on Takara's in every single way (wrist swivels!!), but it's really starting to feel like Godbomber is less an optional accessory to make Ginrai cooler and more a necessity to make it look good in the first place.

I disagree. The chest here is far superior to the cluttered Hasbro one yet I don't like the Godbomber combined mode at all (or the Godbomber figure on it's own... just bleh). The feet I was put off by at first but I'm fine with that now and like the extra height. Should have had red eyes though like the original toy. The cab itself too looks a lot better than Hasbro's attempt.

Also the lil Titans look SO much better when properly coloured. Most of Hasbro's ones look so lazy and crappy like they just didn't care.

Posted: **Wed Jan 04, 2017 10:45 am**

Still waiting for mine to get shipped. Shipping got put on hold for the Japanese New Year by Anime Export. Hopefully it will ship tomorrow.

Cannot wait to get it next to Magnus. Already have a special setup ready for him.

Posted: **Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:19 am**

Carnivius_Prime wrote:
Kurona wrote:Execute me for hearsay, but awesome combined mode aside; I honestly prefer Hasbro's PM OP to this. The feet on Takara's are really starting to kill it for me, the different Titan Master is redundant and just makes the eyes look a little weird inside the helmet... and honestly, I really prefer the updated design on PM OP to the accurate chest on this one. It's just starting to look off.
The arms at least are undoubtedly better on Takara's in every single way (wrist swivels!!), but it's really starting to feel like Godbomber is less an optional accessory to make Ginrai cooler and more a necessity to make it look good in the first place.

I disagree. The chest here is far superior to the cluttered Hasbro one yet I don't like the Godbomber combined mode at all (or the Godbomber figure on it's own... just bleh). The feet I was put off by at first but I'm fine with that now and like the extra height. Should have had red eyes though like the original toy. The cab itself too looks a lot better than Hasbro's attempt.

Also the lil Titans look SO much better when properly coloured. Most of Hasbro's ones look so lazy and crappy like they just didn't care.

Oh yeah, the Titan Master robot itself is just far better. Preferences on head mode aside that's the area Takara's been knocking it out of the park; the Megatron titan master alone makes me want their Galvatron.

Posted: **Wed Jan 04, 2017 12:11 pm**

Va'al wrote:

Is this disaster of a mode official? ROTF Mixmaster thinks this 3rd mode is weak as hell...

Posted: **Wed Jan 04, 2017 12:13 pm**

If there's one single thing that works against Super Ginrai for me, it's the face, specifically the mouthplate. Doesn't anyone else feel the weirdness of Ginrai having a double mouthplate with the helmet on?

Posted: **Wed Jan 04, 2017 12:55 pm**

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:If there's one single thing that works against Super Ginrai for me, it's the face, specifically the mouthplate. Doesn't anyone else feel the weirdness of Ginrai having a double mouthplate with the helmet on?

It feels very redundant to me. Cool thing about the helmet on PM OP is that you essentially get two different heads.
I guess they're doing it so Japanese fans and kids can have an Optimus titan master in some capacity, since they're very likely not going to use the Wave 3 Voyager OP.

Posted: **Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:02 pm**

I think everything looks great about Ginrai. The only weirdness to me is that with the big helmet, he kinda looks like that part at the end of The Black Hole where Reinhardt and Maximillian merge and you see Reinhardt's eyes inside Maximillian.

Posted: **Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:15 pm**

Cant wait to get this guy, though it may be a bit yet before TF Source gets him in.

Posted: **Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:16 pm**

Man these pictures just make me want Super Ginrai more!

Too bad I have no way of getting him. :-(

Posted: **Wed Jan 04, 2017 2:13 pm**

grimdragon2001 wrote:Cant wait to get this guy, though it may be a bit yet before TF Source gets him in.

and just like that, he's on my stack, yay. now just waiting for convobat

Posted: **Wed Jan 04, 2017 2:21 pm**

Carnivius_Prime wrote:Should have had red eyes though like the original toy.

It's been a little while since I've watched Masterforce, but did he have blue eyes on that show? I ask because Takara usually goes for show accuracy above anything else.

Posted: **Wed Jan 04, 2017 2:28 pm**

Relic0037 wrote:
Carnivius_Prime wrote:Should have had red eyes though like the original toy.

It's been a little while since I've watched Masterforce, but did he have blue eyes on that show? I ask because Takara usually goes for show accuracy above anything else.

yea, his eyes were blue in the show, or at least on every Masterforce youtube clip i've seen of him. Still, maybe a Red eyed variant Titanmaster down the line would be nice.

Posted: **Wed Jan 04, 2017 2:33 pm**

grimdragon2001 wrote:
Relic0037 wrote:
Carnivius_Prime wrote:Should have had red eyes though like the original toy.

It's been a little while since I've watched Masterforce, but did he have blue eyes on that show? I ask because Takara usually goes for show accuracy above anything else.

yea, his eyes were blue in the show, or at least on every Masterforce youtube clip i've seen of him. Still, maybe a Red eyed variant Titanmaster down the line would be nice.

Since the eyes are the only part of the Titan Master visible when the helmet is on, any red-eyed character would do.

Posted: **Wed Jan 04, 2017 2:56 pm**

Va'al wrote:

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Legends_Comic:_Bonus_Edition_Vol._37

Va'al wrote:

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Legends_Comic:_Bonus_Edition_Vol._38

Va'al wrote:

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Legends_Comic:_Bonus_Edition_Vol._39

Posted: **Wed Jan 04, 2017 3:19 pm**

And I just noticed Condor has a different vehicle configuration than Laserbreak: the tail section is still swung up.

And it doesn't match the Legends stock photo:

Posted: **Wed Jan 04, 2017 3:29 pm**

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:And I just noticed Condor has a different vehicle configuration than Laserbreak: the tail section is still swung up.

seems like that new configuration is only showing in the mini comic, still cool though

Posted: **Wed Jan 04, 2017 7:49 pm**

Originally, I was in the camp of not liking the feet on Ginrai. However now that I have it in hand, it's really not as bad looking as some of the original photos made it seem. I also like both chest plates equally. The chests, cab fronts, arms, feet, hips, guns, heights and color shades help me to differentiate the two figures as the different characters they are. I think the biggest problem I had with Ginrai was trying to explain to people that it wasn't actually Optimus Prime.

Posted: **Wed Jan 04, 2017 8:04 pm**

We have some new video reviews for Legends toys. RFC Reviews compares Legends 35 Super Ginrai to Hasbro's Power Master Optimus Prime. Check out how different the arms are!
We also have a Ginrai review from Chuckdawg who also reviews Legends 39 Brainstorm, and compares it to the SDCC's Brainstorm. Let us know if you think these are worth the importing costs or if you are fine with the Hasbro versions.

Posted: **Wed Jan 04, 2017 8:09 pm**

Alpha Weltall wrote:Originally, I was in the camp of not liking the feet on Ginrai. However now that I have it in hand, it's really not as bad looking as some of the original photos made it seem. I also like both chest plates equally. The chests, cab fronts, arms, feet, hips, guns, heights and color shades help me to differentiate the two figures as the different characters they are. I think the biggest problem I had with Ginrai was trying to explain to people that it wasn't actually Optimus Prime.

In the bold. Judgement is when you handle it. Then you can give your input. :APPLAUSE:

The trouble with the feet is that, well, Takara gave it a tilt. Compare that to the original G1 Ginrai, nothing has changed. It's a flat 75 degree robot feet meant to be made complete with the Godbomber upgrade.

But if your biases are already carved in , no matter how you justify an item you will always see it as ugly. (This btw is not targeted to you Alpha Weltall). Kind of like how "Huffer" sees the world through sludge filled windshields.

Posted: **Wed Jan 04, 2017 8:14 pm**

grimdragon2001 wrote:
Relic0037 wrote:
Carnivius_Prime wrote:Should have had red eyes though like the original toy.

It's been a little while since I've watched Masterforce, but did he have blue eyes on that show? I ask because Takara usually goes for show accuracy above anything else.

yea, his eyes were blue in the show, or at least on every Masterforce youtube clip i've seen of him. Still, maybe a Red eyed variant Titanmaster down the line would be nice.

The blue in his optics emphasized Ginrai's "humanness" that broke through the bad PR Mega was attempting to hoist over Ginrai.

Posted: **Wed Jan 04, 2017 8:35 pm**

fenrir72 wrote: Compare that to the original G1 Ginrai, nothing has changed.

I dont know what you mean, care to illustrate? Because they look nothing like G1 Ginrai, just look where the wheels are placed.

Transformers Super God Masterforce Powermaster Optimus Prime (Super Ginrai) Gallery

Transformers Super God Masterforce Powermaster Optimus Prime (Super Ginrai) Gallery

Arent his feet the actual trailer in G1?

Posted: **Wed Jan 04, 2017 10:14 pm**

Kurona wrote:Execute me for hearsay, but awesome combined mode aside; I honestly prefer Hasbro's PM OP to this. The feet on Takara's are really starting to kill it for me, the different Titan Master is redundant and just makes the eyes look a little weird inside the helmet... and honestly, I really prefer the updated design on PM OP to the accurate chest on this one. It's just starting to look off.
The arms at least are undoubtedly better on Takara's in every single way (wrist swivels!!), but it's really starting to feel like Godbomber is less an optional accessory to make Ginrai cooler and more a necessity to make it look good in the first place.

I agree, especially with the chest. The differing aesthetics really clash. Really the only thing I think is better on this one is the hands. The ankle tilts are nice, but the feet are so bad the benefits are unimportant.

Posted: **Wed Jan 04, 2017 10:20 pm**

william-james88 wrote:
fenrir72 wrote: Compare that to the original G1 Ginrai, nothing has changed.

I dont know what you mean, care to illustrate? Because they look nothing like G1 Ginrai, just look where the wheels are placed.

Transformers Super God Masterforce Powermaster Optimus Prime (Super Ginrai) Gallery

Transformers Super God Masterforce Powermaster Optimus Prime (Super Ginrai) Gallery

Arent his feet the actual trailer in G1?

The feet are the same and still part of the trailer. Flat, elongated and formless. Same as the anime. Of course there no longer is the godmaster as it is replaced by the headmaster without the default cab turning into a smaller 'bot. Plus, engineering got rid of the beer gut and now has a more proportioned head.

Back in 1987-88 it's from the same brick beer gut form that served as the inspiration of the animation model that is now the inspiration of the TFLegends toy.

So has anything change at all? Except for the engineering part.Back in the 80s, you had to squint and imagine they actually look like the anime. Now, we're just spoiled with near animation style likenesses of our fave figures.

Posted: **Wed Jan 04, 2017 10:31 pm**

I love the first reviews excuse for the figures falling is because neither are very stable when they actually are and you can tell he doesn't have the knees flushed. The left knee is more bent than the right on MP Prime. Seriously if you're going to knock it over that many time should and start groaning reshoot the video.

Posted: **Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:17 pm**

That rfc review was hard to watch tbh. He should def take some time to get more acquainted with the nuances of a figure before attempting to review it imo.

Chuck as always does a great job however. ;)^

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