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Autobot N wrote:

Galactic Prime wrote:I still think that vote was rigged, no way there's that many Optimus Primal fans

John Warden and his team are known for not liking Beast Wars. Why in the world would they rig a vote in favor of a character they didn't want to make? Plus, with the aura of mystery and the wild-card thing, it was pretty obvious they wanted Deathsaurus to win. As for votes, it's easy to explain Primal's victory. The G1 vote was split between 3 different characters (Magnus, SS, and Deathsaurus), whereas Beast Wars fans could all unite behind a single character.

Rodimus Prime wrote:Just like the Trypticon vote a couple of years ago. The figure was already planned out and *surprise!* it won the vote. All these polls are rigged according to what the company wants. I do think there are a lot of Op fans out there, too bad Hasbro doesn't leave anything up to the fandom.

Or maybe they had done design work on all 3, and just continued working on the one that won. I find it hard to believe that Trypticon was always planned to be the second TR titan, since both Omega and Scorponok would have made more sense in a Headmaster-oriented line.

So Originally I voted for Arcee to become the leader, as I wanted to see what they could do with her. If I remember correctly she didn't even make it past the first round of votes, but If she had, I voted for her again. On the last set of votes, I voted for Primal since out of the characters I saw, he was the one I liked the best as far as characters went.

I believe there was an article on year a while ago explaining the surfboard for Optimal Optimus. As I recall, they couldn't figure out how to make Primal fit the gimmick with the smaller one before a gorilla, so they ended up making him into the surfboard, which is supposed to be a cybertronian cargo transport as far as the transformation from Primal is supposed to go.

my question is, can you transformer the combined Optimal into his jet and truck modes. I use those terms loosely here.

Rodimus Knight wrote:my question is, can you transformer the combined Optimal into his jet and truck modes. I use those terms loosely here.

You may be able to finagle something resembling a jet by straightening out the arms and collapsing the legs, but no truck mode due to the lack of wheels, working or not.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Rodimus Knight wrote:my question is, can you transformer the combined Optimal into his jet and truck modes. I use those terms loosely here.

You may be able to finagle something resembling a jet by straightening out the arms and collapsing the legs, but no truck mode due to the lack of wheels, working or not.

During the hacon coverage, the cgi renders showed off multiple views of the official flight mode, so, it's there, they just haven't shown it at conventions, as it would require a third prototype/production model.

Gotta say, massively let down by condersaur. The colors are garish and wash away all detail, and the fact that they didn't retool any part of her is pretty lame. As it is, Slash feels so much more elegant and polished than cindersaur is looking to be.

Outback looks pretty cool, I wasn't into brawn, but outback's face is pretty cool loooking, so, I might try a snag him if I see him.

Inferno is a massive disappointment, they should have just slapped a new name onto him for all he actually looks like g1 inferno
Have to skip him on principle as they didn't bother to retool his lame ass combiner head

Hellscream9999 wrote:Gotta say, massively let down by condersaur. The colors are garish and wash away all detail, and the fact that they didn't retool any part of her is pretty lame. As it is, Slash feels so much more elegant and polished than cindersaur is looking to be.

The robot head's been switched out, which is standard for Legends Class. And no clear plastic to worry about.

I totally get what you guys are saying now. Yes, there is a major difference between an extra torso (or an extra limb) and an incomplete combiner. The way I see it, all hasbro set out to do with combiners here was give us more mix and match possibilities (made evident by not having complete combiners coming out in the same wave unlike what they themselves said they should do) with the main intention to give us the most urgent toys left like the Dinobots, Abominus and Predaking, in a shorter line while waiting to unveil their brand new trilogy. But yeah, what would be the use of giving us an Elita 1 torso and not giving her all the limbs to go with her, it is odd. Thats a totally new mold that wont have a dedicatd team.

Technically, Will is correct here. We had incomplete combiners in CW. If you only include Hasbro releases (which includes exclusives/May Mayhem) you have the following:

Deluxes:
6 Waves of 4 Deluxe figures each = 24
3 "New Character" Boxsets (Computron, Victorion, Liokaiser) with 4 new Deluxe figures each = 12
3 May Mayhem exclusives = 3

39 Separate Deluxe Characters. Enough for

Voyagers
9 Primary Release (8 if you decide Battle Core OP is the same as regular OP)
3 Boxset Release

12 Total. Deluxes needed = 48



Now for those of you suggesting that we need to include the TFSS/FubPub figures (I personally do NOT), here is what I see:
FunPub
8 Deluxe (4 with Predacus + Unit 3 + Medix + Ratchet + Terrorsaur), 7 if you decide Ratchet/Medix are the same character
1 Voyager

TFSS
9 Deluxe (6 series 4, 3 Series 5)
2 Voyager (1 in each of 4 and 5)

That brings us to 55/56 deluxes (56 if Medix is a separate character). Enough for either 14 combiners or 13 with 3 leftover limbs

And we have 15 distinct voyagers. Again, the only way the math works is if you stipulate that Battle Core OP is not a separate distinct version, and that Medix is a separate distinct version (even though the differences between the OPs and the Ratchet versions sways in favor of OP).


TL;DR: You can complete the sets however you choose, but the Hasbro produced line had mismatching sets. Personally, the subscription figures and the FunPub figures were just not worth the ridiculous prices.

My hope is that Has/Tak gives us an even number of distinct combiner limb figures by the end of this line (including exclusives/sets). At the very least it means I can have several complete combiners, and toss some different feet on LG-42.

mordhelm wrote:Technically, Will is correct here. We had incomplete combiners in CW. If you only include Hasbro releases (which includes exclusives/May Mayhem) you have the following:

Deluxes:
6 Waves of 4 Deluxe figures each = 24
3 "New Character" Boxsets (Computron, Victorion, Liokaiser) with 4 new Deluxe figures each = 12
3 May Mayhem exclusives = 3

39 Separate Deluxe Characters. Enough for

Voyagers
9 Primary Release (8 if you decide Battle Core OP is the same as regular OP)
3 Boxset Release

12 Total. Deluxes needed = 48



Now for those of you suggesting that we need to include the TFSS/FubPub figures (I personally do NOT), here is what I see:
FunPub
8 Deluxe (4 with Predacus + Unit 3 + Medix + Ratchet + Terrorsaur), 7 if you decide Ratchet/Medix are the same character
1 Voyager

TFSS
9 Deluxe (6 series 4, 3 Series 5)
2 Voyager (1 in each of 4 and 5)

That brings us to 55/56 deluxes (56 if Medix is a separate character). Enough for either 14 combiners or 13 with 3 leftover limbs

And we have 15 distinct voyagers. Again, the only way the math works is if you stipulate that Battle Core OP is not a separate distinct version, and that Medix is a separate distinct version (even though the differences between the OPs and the Ratchet versions sways in favor of OP).


TL;DR: You can complete the sets however you choose, but the Hasbro produced line had mismatching sets. Personally, the subscription figures and the FunPub figures were just not worth the ridiculous prices.

My hope is that Has/Tak gives us an even number of distinct combiner limb figures by the end of this line (including exclusives/sets). At the very least it means I can have several complete combiners, and toss some different feet on LG-42.

My system isn't perfect, requires a couple *cheats* perhaps. But I consider a new/distinct figure if any plastic parts are different, and if its clearly a new character. To me UW Cyclonus & CW are the same(despite different coloring), whereas all 3 Scattershots are unique (CW single release, CW box set, and UW box set), since they all contain different molding.


Here's my grand plan which is 90% complete...accounts for all complete combiners with *technically* no duplication...

11- UW Sets
6 - CW Sets (G2 Sup, G2 Men, G2 Brut, Victorion, CW Computron, LioKaiser)
2 - TFCC -Thunder Mayhem & Wreckage
2 - Botcon Predacus & Magnaboss
1 - TFCC/Botcon Hybrid Modulus
1 - UW EX Grand Scourge (With CW Offroad, Botcon 2016 Terrorsaur CW Blastoff & CW Vortex)
1 - CW Optimus Maximus (With Alpha Bravo, Smokescreen, BC 2016 Marvel Ratchet, BC 2016 G2 Ratchet)


Total= 24 Combiners (12 Good and 12 Evil) -The only discrepancy being that Devastator slightly tips the balance in favor of the Decepticons due to his size not scaling with all the others.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:Gotta say, massively let down by condersaur. The colors are garish and wash away all detail, and the fact that they didn't retool any part of her is pretty lame. As it is, Slash feels so much more elegant and polished than cindersaur is looking to be.

The robot head's been switched out, which is standard for Legends Class. And no clear plastic to worry about.

I'll be, it actually was retooled, I just couldn't tell, cuz the face wasn't changed, just the helmet

o.supreme wrote: whereas all 3 Scattershots are unique (CW single release, CW box set, and UW box set), since they all contain different molding.

They do? I didnt know that.

The UW differences are more obvious. The differences between the CW Single Release and CW Box set release are so minute that I wasn't even planning on getting the single release, until I saw the specs for Modulus .

william-james88 wrote:

o.supreme wrote: whereas all 3 Scattershots are unique (CW single release, CW box set, and UW box set), since they all contain different molding.

They do? I didnt know that.

They do not. Mold-wise, CW and box set Scattershot have the same molding i.e. the Silverbolt robot parts. UW Scattershot has robot mode parts retooled:



From l. to r.: CW standalone, CW box set, UW box set
Transformers Unite Warriors Scattershot Gallery

o.supreme wrote:I'd be perfectly ok with putting Jazz with Elita-1's team if they decided to skip out on the Inferno Voyager

I think that works for me. I always pictured Jazz as a ladies man....or bot. He could sweet talk his way onto the team...turn on the radio & play some smooth....Jazz music....then CW Wheeljack walks in & completely combiner blocks Jazz & the fembots all walk away.

You knopw, there's been a weird thing going on with the CW and TR stuff, especially with the Hasbro vs Takara stuff, or rather show accuracy vs toy accuracy. Was that really a 'thing' that people got bothered? Is that important to the 'identity' and design of a toy? Like I know it popped up a bit when the Dinobots got revealed.

You have no idea, it was and still is a bugbear to certain fans who have their collecting styles. You should have seen the ruckus over TR blur vs legends blur (then again the tr line originally had a similar situation when it revealed that they were making characters that weren't headmaster's into headmasters)

I may be overgeneralizing here, but it seems fans in Japan tend to prefer animated series accurate toys, North America seems to be split 50/50, and UK fans seem to prefer comic accurate toys. Not sure about those in other countries, but if anyone wants to weigh in, feel free. I myself prefer toys based on the animated series, thus the reason why I was very much drawn to , with the last 2 lines, prior to the *unification* under PotP.

Sabrblade wrote:

gothsaurus wrote:Not me man!!! It's all girl team... or NUTHIN'!!

Repurpose it as female Jazz, short for "Jazzmine".

Skritz wrote:You knopw, there's been a weird thing going on with the CW and TR stuff, especially with the Hasbro vs Takara stuff, or rather show accuracy vs toy accuracy. Was that really a 'thing' that people got bothered? Is that important to the 'identity' and design of a toy? Like I know it popped up a bit when the Dinobots got revealed.

For some people it's a big deal. A lot of people here complained about the Hasbro figures being too toy accurate and not looking enough like the "more iconic" cartoon. But then those same people would complain that the most recent MPs are too cartoon accurate. Then you had people complaining that some of the UW versions were too bland and lacked paint because of their cartoon accuracies. I think it's safe to say people are going to complain no matter what and Hasbro can't please everyone.

Personally I would just buy whichever version I liked most. For example I went Hasbro for most CW non-box set releases, but I did prefer the UW Combaticons and would also get the UW Constructicons and Technobots box sets. Later I would get Legends Octone and Astrotrain, but also TR Blitzwing because those are the ones I like the looks of most. Then again I also double dipped on a few Deluxe and Legends figures as well.

And to bring this back around on topic to PotP, I really like that Hasbro is being a little more unique with PotP and mashing together the best elements from both the G1 toys and cartoon. As well as giving us some first timers like the girls.

Emerje

I have to wonder what would happen if in the next trilogy they decided to throw everything to the wind and give everyone brand new colour schemes...would the fandom explode?

ZeroWolf wrote:I have to wonder what would happen if in the next trilogy they decided to throw everything to the wind and give everyone brand new colour schemes...would the fandom explode?

We're still standing after G2, RiD 2001 and Armada, so...

^ To be fair however, those were all different continuities. If you have a toy based on an original series Ironhide, and its blue...either you call it G3, or fans will be like... . I don't think the world explodes...but you just wonder why...

ZeroWolf wrote:I have to wonder what would happen if in the next trilogy they decided to throw everything to the wind and give everyone brand new colour schemes...would the fandom explode?

I'd love to see Hasbro do 'something crazy' and have a line of redesigned character. We are due for a shakeup once again, I think after the Animated-to-Aligned era seems to have fossilized characters into a specific 'evergreen' design. Sadly it will not happen. Hasbro has been clearly set on sticking to the most boring, safe and marketable designs.

o.supreme wrote:^ To be fair however, those were all different continuities. If you have a toy based on an original series Ironhide, and its blue...either you call it G3, or fans will be like... . I don't think the world explodes...but you just wonder why...

We've had a blue g1-styled ironhide:



Considering how it's designed, with the battle sled, I'd say it's more 'g1' than anything Warden's crew can put out

Skritz wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:I have to wonder what would happen if in the next trilogy they decided to throw everything to the wind and give everyone brand new colour schemes...would the fandom explode?

I'd love to see Hasbro do 'something crazy' and have a line of redesigned character. We are due for a shakeup once again, I think after the Animated-to-Aligned era seems to have fossilized characters into a specific 'evergreen' design. Sadly it will not happen. Hasbro has been clearly set on sticking to the most boring, safe and marketable designs.

That's not hasbro, just the guy they put in charge of tf's right now

Hellscream9999 wrote:

o.supreme wrote:^ To be fair however, those were all different continuities. If you have a toy based on an original series Ironhide, and its blue...either you call it G3, or fans will be like... . I don't think the world explodes...but you just wonder why...

We've had a blue g1-styled ironhide:



Considering how it's designed, with the battle sled, I'd say it's more 'g1' than anything Warden's crew can put out

Hah I forgot that guy, he was fun in some aspects and I liked the way his feet became cannons in his top half form. They did use him for botcon ratchet and ironhide if I remember right. Surprised hasbro never put out a full on red version as powerlinx tow line