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fenrir72 wrote:Especially Broadside, the HB version was so naked and loose. And the change in plastics really makes a difference! And Sixshot........soooooo sweet! With his knees retooled and the oodles of paint (the purple makes it look like die-cast)! Yum!

Wolfman Jake wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:Especially Broadside, the HB version was so naked and loose. And the change in plastics really makes a difference! And Sixshot........soooooo sweet! With his knees retooled and the oodles of paint (the purple makes it look like die-cast)! Yum!

I've got both versions of Broadside and Sixshot. The plastics are the same quality between the Hasbro and Takara releases. Only the colors differ (and the paint apps). If anything, Takara had an extra several months to work out production kinks and up the QC to tighten some joints. Plus, loads of extra paint adds thickness to any surfaces that come in contact with one another, "tightening" any loose interfaces for transformation and articulation.

fenrir72 wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:Especially Broadside, the HB version was so naked and loose. And the change in plastics really makes a difference! And Sixshot........soooooo sweet! With his knees retooled and the oodles of paint (the purple makes it look like die-cast)! Yum!

I've got both versions of Broadside and Sixshot. The plastics are the same quality between the Hasbro and Takara releases. Only the colors differ (and the paint apps). If anything, Takara had an extra several months to work out production kinks and up the QC to tighten some joints. Plus, loads of extra paint adds thickness to any surfaces that come in contact with one another, "tightening" any loose interfaces for transformation and articulation.

Plastics especially the red on Broadside are a wee bit different or more noticeable. The Hb is a kind of dull red. Same with the teal of 6shot. Don't tell me you didn't notice it?

Sixshot had his knees retooled with an extra tiny slab of rectangular plastic to add a bit more slack. Not simple tightening or depending on the bending mileage. You did check it right? they are located at.....(you can read it in tfwiki)

Also the purple of Kickback. Smooth dark purple while the Hb is kind of dull purple. There IS a difference. You don't need a loop to confirm it.

steals_your_goats wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:Especially Broadside, the HB version was so naked and loose. And the change in plastics really makes a difference! And Sixshot........soooooo sweet! With his knees retooled and the oodles of paint (the purple makes it look like die-cast)! Yum!

I've got both versions of Broadside and Sixshot. The plastics are the same quality between the Hasbro and Takara releases. Only the colors differ (and the paint apps). If anything, Takara had an extra several months to work out production kinks and up the QC to tighten some joints. Plus, loads of extra paint adds thickness to any surfaces that come in contact with one another, "tightening" any loose interfaces for transformation and articulation.

Plastics especially the red on Broadside are a wee bit different or more noticeable. The Hb is a kind of dull red. Same with the teal of 6shot. Don't tell me you didn't notice it?

Sixshot had his knees retooled with an extra tiny slab of rectangular plastic to add a bit more slack. Not simple tightening or depending on the bending mileage. You did check it right? they are located at.....(you can read it in tfwiki)

Also the purple of Kickback. Smooth dark purple while the Hb is kind of dull purple. There IS a difference. You don't need a loop to confirm it.

Your original post made it seem like you were saying that the plastic quality was different between the two when it's just the color. I think that's where the confusion was.

Wolfman Jake wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:Especially Broadside, the HB version was so naked and loose. And the change in plastics really makes a difference! And Sixshot........soooooo sweet! With his knees retooled and the oodles of paint (the purple makes it look like die-cast)! Yum!

I've got both versions of Broadside and Sixshot. The plastics are the same quality between the Hasbro and Takara releases. Only the colors differ (and the paint apps). If anything, Takara had an extra several months to work out production kinks and up the QC to tighten some joints. Plus, loads of extra paint adds thickness to any surfaces that come in contact with one another, "tightening" any loose interfaces for transformation and articulation.

Plastics especially the red on Broadside are a wee bit different or more noticeable. The Hb is a kind of dull red. Same with the teal of 6shot. Don't tell me you didn't notice it?

Sixshot had his knees retooled with an extra tiny slab of rectangular plastic to add a bit more slack. Not simple tightening or depending on the bending mileage. You did check it right? they are located at.....(you can read it in tfwiki)

Also the purple of Kickback. Smooth dark purple while the Hb is kind of dull purple. There IS a difference. You don't need a loop to confirm it.

Your original post made it seem like you were saying that the plastic quality was different between the two when it's just the color. I think that's where the confusion was.

Precisely. The plastic colors are obviously different, I can tell that. The long running misconception in the Transformers collecting fandom, however, has been that Takara somehow uses superior quality plastic on their toys. This is not the case, as they are made in the same factories with the same molds and basic materials. When you started talking about a "change" in the plastics, I assumed you meant the quality and not simply the color of resins used. No worries, we understand each other now, I hope.

blackeyedprime wrote:As bad as headmasters is (currently re-watching them and on the third discat the mo), Scorponoks already destroyed two planets which is pretty impressive and doesnt seem to suffer from autobots 'we've won now lets let them get away' as much if I'm remembering the originals correctly. I'll watch rebirth after I've finished all the japanese series if I can suffer through more 'head-on, head-on' and 'Billeeeee'

fenrir72 wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:Especially Broadside, the HB version was so naked and loose. And the change in plastics really makes a difference! And Sixshot........soooooo sweet! With his knees retooled and the oodles of paint (the purple makes it look like die-cast)! Yum!

I've got both versions of Broadside and Sixshot. The plastics are the same quality between the Hasbro and Takara releases. Only the colors differ (and the paint apps). If anything, Takara had an extra several months to work out production kinks and up the QC to tighten some joints. Plus, loads of extra paint adds thickness to any surfaces that come in contact with one another, "tightening" any loose interfaces for transformation and articulation.

Plastics especially the red on Broadside are a wee bit different or more noticeable. The Hb is a kind of dull red. Same with the teal of 6shot. Don't tell me you didn't notice it?

Sixshot had his knees retooled with an extra tiny slab of rectangular plastic to add a bit more slack. Not simple tightening or depending on the bending mileage. You did check it right? they are located at.....(you can read it in tfwiki)

Also the purple of Kickback. Smooth dark purple while the Hb is kind of dull purple. There IS a difference. You don't need a loop to confirm it.

Your original post made it seem like you were saying that the plastic quality was different between the two when it's just the color. I think that's where the confusion was.

Precisely. The plastic colors are obviously different, I can tell that. The long running misconception in the Transformers collecting fandom, however, has been that Takara somehow uses superior quality plastic on their toys. This is not the case, as they are made in the same factories with the same molds and basic materials. When you started talking about a "change" in the plastics, I assumed you meant the quality and not simply the color of resins used. No worries, we understand each other now, I hope.

Nowhere did I state superior hombres and mujers. Read my post again. Nowhere did I mention resins. Talking about that will cause a big clusterfrack. Also, let me reiterate on 6shot, Takara added an extra piece of molding on his kneecaps to give his knees a little slack unlike the Hb release. So yes, that part is a new mold. Just like the helmet and the Headmaster.

I didn't double dip for the targetmasters so I'm staying away from that but you can tell there is a certain difference, a neatness plus different hues for those that I have in twos ( Kickback, Broadside, 6shot). 6shot's dirty white part for example. Take a closer look.It is a different plastic type from the Hb version. Even Broadside's red. If you insist on saying they are using the same plastic, well I don't know what definition you would prefer on it.

Showing them on the site with a digicam image won't render it accurately. Must be how the digicams processors translate the light captured and rendering it as an image.These Takara domestic releases have this extra bling, and that extra really is a big change in the I want it department.

Anyone who don't like it all and still lingers in the Takara thread is akin to self flagellation if they don't really dig only the Hb releases.

bvzxa wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:Especially Broadside, the HB version was so naked and loose. And the change in plastics really makes a difference! And Sixshot........soooooo sweet! With his knees retooled and the oodles of paint (the purple makes it look like die-cast)! Yum!

I've got both versions of Broadside and Sixshot. The plastics are the same quality between the Hasbro and Takara releases. Only the colors differ (and the paint apps). If anything, Takara had an extra several months to work out production kinks and up the QC to tighten some joints. Plus, loads of extra paint adds thickness to any surfaces that come in contact with one another, "tightening" any loose interfaces for transformation and articulation.

Plastics especially the red on Broadside are a wee bit different or more noticeable. The Hb is a kind of dull red. Same with the teal of 6shot. Don't tell me you didn't notice it?

Sixshot had his knees retooled with an extra tiny slab of rectangular plastic to add a bit more slack. Not simple tightening or depending on the bending mileage. You did check it right? they are located at.....(you can read it in tfwiki)

Also the purple of Kickback. Smooth dark purple while the Hb is kind of dull purple. There IS a difference. You don't need a loop to confirm it.

Your original post made it seem like you were saying that the plastic quality was different between the two when it's just the color. I think that's where the confusion was.

Precisely. The plastic colors are obviously different, I can tell that. The long running misconception in the Transformers collecting fandom, however, has been that Takara somehow uses superior quality plastic on their toys. This is not the case, as they are made in the same factories with the same molds and basic materials. When you started talking about a "change" in the plastics, I assumed you meant the quality and not simply the color of resins used. No worries, we understand each other now, I hope.

Nowhere did I state superior hombres and mujers. Read my post again. Nowhere did I mention resins. Talking about that will cause a big clusterfrack. Also, let me reiterate on 6shot, Takara added an extra piece of molding on his kneecaps to give his knees a little slack unlike the Hb release. So yes, that part is a new mold. Just like the helmet and the Headmaster.

I didn't double dip for the targetmasters so I'm staying away from that but you can tell there is a certain difference, a neatness plus different hues for those that I have in twos ( Kickback, Broadside, 6shot). 6shot's dirty white part for example. Take a closer look.It is a different plastic type from the Hb version. Even Broadside's red. If you insist on saying they are using the same plastic, well I don't know what definition you would prefer on it.

Showing them on the site with a digicam image won't render it accurately. Must be how the digicams processors translate the light captured and rendering it as an image.These Takara domestic releases have this extra bling, and that extra really is a big change in the I want it department.

Anyone who don't like it all and still lingers in the Takara thread is akin to self flagellation if they don't really dig only the Hb releases.

There is some instances where the plasitcs were different but its very few and far in between. And these days its either or. Example would be Skullcruncher. I bought both versions because the Takara version has a loose waist and ball joints at the legs. Got a Hasbro Skullcruncher and used parts from it to make 85% of my Takara version more stable.

Just like the seekers when it was noted that Henkei Thundercracker and Skywarp were molded from the Universe Starscream mold and not the Original Classics/ Henkei Starscream mold. The null rays ports are slightly bigger on the Universe Starscream mold, and it suffered from a certain looseness that the Henkei version of TC/SW had. However, when hen the United Seeker sets came out they used the original Classics mold. I mean If you have been in this hobby long enough you'll figure out what is what. I look at it as preference for what you want in your collection.

I wanted to know for myself if Takara Sixshot has the same looseness that Hasbro Sixshot has. Personally I want to kit bash them as the shade of Green on Legends Sixshot is not quite as green as the Headmasters Cartoon.

I prefer what Takara is doing especially with the Decepitcon Targetmasters but with the excpetion of Misfire and Sluglsinger I may stick to the Hasbro ones because in the case of Triggerhappy I think Hasbro's is perfect. maybe they will release an EX-Targetmaster set like they did for the Headmasters.

bvzxa wrote:

blackeyedprime wrote:As bad as headmasters is (currently re-watching them and on the third discat the mo), Scorponoks already destroyed two planets which is pretty impressive and doesnt seem to suffer from autobots 'we've won now lets let them get away' as much if I'm remembering the originals correctly. I'll watch rebirth after I've finished all the japanese series if I can suffer through more 'head-on, head-on' and 'Billeeeee'

Oh man my heart goes out to you if you're watching the dub of Headmasters.
I have the subbed version downloaded years ago.

fenrir72 wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:Especially Broadside, the HB version was so naked and loose. And the change in plastics really makes a difference! And Sixshot........soooooo sweet! With his knees retooled and the oodles of paint (the purple makes it look like die-cast)! Yum!

I've got both versions of Broadside and Sixshot. The plastics are the same quality between the Hasbro and Takara releases. Only the colors differ (and the paint apps). If anything, Takara had an extra several months to work out production kinks and up the QC to tighten some joints. Plus, loads of extra paint adds thickness to any surfaces that come in contact with one another, "tightening" any loose interfaces for transformation and articulation.

Plastics especially the red on Broadside are a wee bit different or more noticeable. The Hb is a kind of dull red. Same with the teal of 6shot. Don't tell me you didn't notice it?

Sixshot had his knees retooled with an extra tiny slab of rectangular plastic to add a bit more slack. Not simple tightening or depending on the bending mileage. You did check it right? they are located at.....(you can read it in tfwiki)

Also the purple of Kickback. Smooth dark purple while the Hb is kind of dull purple. There IS a difference. You don't need a loop to confirm it.

Your original post made it seem like you were saying that the plastic quality was different between the two when it's just the color. I think that's where the confusion was.

Precisely. The plastic colors are obviously different, I can tell that. The long running misconception in the Transformers collecting fandom, however, has been that Takara somehow uses superior quality plastic on their toys. This is not the case, as they are made in the same factories with the same molds and basic materials. When you started talking about a "change" in the plastics, I assumed you meant the quality and not simply the color of resins used. No worries, we understand each other now, I hope.

Nowhere did I state superior hombres and mujers. Read my post again. Nowhere did I mention resins. Talking about that will cause a big clusterfrack. Also, let me reiterate on 6shot, Takara added an extra piece of molding on his kneecaps to give his knees a little slack unlike the Hb release. So yes, that part is a new mold. Just like the helmet and the Headmaster.

I didn't double dip for the targetmasters so I'm staying away from that but you can tell there is a certain difference, a neatness plus different hues for those that I have in twos ( Kickback, Broadside, 6shot). 6shot's dirty white part for example. Take a closer look.It is a different plastic type from the Hb version. Even Broadside's red. If you insist on saying they are using the same plastic, well I don't know what definition you would prefer on it.

Showing them on the site with a digicam image won't render it accurately. Must be how the digicams processors translate the light captured and rendering it as an image.These Takara domestic releases have this extra bling, and that extra really is a big change in the I want it department.

Anyone who don't like it all and still lingers in the Takara thread is akin to self flagellation if they don't really dig only the Hb releases.

Wolfman Jake wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:Especially Broadside, the HB version was so naked and loose. And the change in plastics really makes a difference! And Sixshot........soooooo sweet! With his knees retooled and the oodles of paint (the purple makes it look like die-cast)! Yum!

I've got both versions of Broadside and Sixshot. The plastics are the same quality between the Hasbro and Takara releases. Only the colors differ (and the paint apps). If anything, Takara had an extra several months to work out production kinks and up the QC to tighten some joints. Plus, loads of extra paint adds thickness to any surfaces that come in contact with one another, "tightening" any loose interfaces for transformation and articulation.

Plastics especially the red on Broadside are a wee bit different or more noticeable. The Hb is a kind of dull red. Same with the teal of 6shot. Don't tell me you didn't notice it?

Sixshot had his knees retooled with an extra tiny slab of rectangular plastic to add a bit more slack. Not simple tightening or depending on the bending mileage. You did check it right? they are located at.....(you can read it in tfwiki)

Also the purple of Kickback. Smooth dark purple while the Hb is kind of dull purple. There IS a difference. You don't need a loop to confirm it.

Your original post made it seem like you were saying that the plastic quality was different between the two when it's just the color. I think that's where the confusion was.

Precisely. The plastic colors are obviously different, I can tell that. The long running misconception in the Transformers collecting fandom, however, has been that Takara somehow uses superior quality plastic on their toys. This is not the case, as they are made in the same factories with the same molds and basic materials. When you started talking about a "change" in the plastics, I assumed you meant the quality and not simply the color of resins used. No worries, we understand each other now, I hope.

Nowhere did I state superior hombres and mujers. Read my post again. Nowhere did I mention resins. Talking about that will cause a big clusterfrack. Also, let me reiterate on 6shot, Takara added an extra piece of molding on his kneecaps to give his knees a little slack unlike the Hb release. So yes, that part is a new mold. Just like the helmet and the Headmaster.

I didn't double dip for the targetmasters so I'm staying away from that but you can tell there is a certain difference, a neatness plus different hues for those that I have in twos ( Kickback, Broadside, 6shot). 6shot's dirty white part for example. Take a closer look.It is a different plastic type from the Hb version. Even Broadside's red. If you insist on saying they are using the same plastic, well I don't know what definition you would prefer on it.

Showing them on the site with a digicam image won't render it accurately. Must be how the digicams processors translate the light captured and rendering it as an image.These Takara domestic releases have this extra bling, and that extra really is a big change in the I want it department.

Anyone who don't like it all and still lingers in the Takara thread is akin to self flagellation if they don't really dig only the Hb releases.

Chill out, Fenrir. I already said I misunderstood you initially. I also explained that I do, of course, see the color differences in the plastics used. No one is arguing against that.

fenrir72 wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:Especially Broadside, the HB version was so naked and loose. And the change in plastics really makes a difference! And Sixshot........soooooo sweet! With his knees retooled and the oodles of paint (the purple makes it look like die-cast)! Yum!

I've got both versions of Broadside and Sixshot. The plastics are the same quality between the Hasbro and Takara releases. Only the colors differ (and the paint apps). If anything, Takara had an extra several months to work out production kinks and up the QC to tighten some joints. Plus, loads of extra paint adds thickness to any surfaces that come in contact with one another, "tightening" any loose interfaces for transformation and articulation.

Plastics especially the red on Broadside are a wee bit different or more noticeable. The Hb is a kind of dull red. Same with the teal of 6shot. Don't tell me you didn't notice it?

Sixshot had his knees retooled with an extra tiny slab of rectangular plastic to add a bit more slack. Not simple tightening or depending on the bending mileage. You did check it right? they are located at.....(you can read it in tfwiki)

Also the purple of Kickback. Smooth dark purple while the Hb is kind of dull purple. There IS a difference. You don't need a loop to confirm it.

Your original post made it seem like you were saying that the plastic quality was different between the two when it's just the color. I think that's where the confusion was.

Precisely. The plastic colors are obviously different, I can tell that. The long running misconception in the Transformers collecting fandom, however, has been that Takara somehow uses superior quality plastic on their toys. This is not the case, as they are made in the same factories with the same molds and basic materials. When you started talking about a "change" in the plastics, I assumed you meant the quality and not simply the color of resins used. No worries, we understand each other now, I hope.

Nowhere did I state superior hombres and mujers. Read my post again. Nowhere did I mention resins. Talking about that will cause a big clusterfrack. Also, let me reiterate on 6shot, Takara added an extra piece of molding on his kneecaps to give his knees a little slack unlike the Hb release. So yes, that part is a new mold. Just like the helmet and the Headmaster.

I didn't double dip for the targetmasters so I'm staying away from that but you can tell there is a certain difference, a neatness plus different hues for those that I have in twos ( Kickback, Broadside, 6shot). 6shot's dirty white part for example. Take a closer look.It is a different plastic type from the Hb version. Even Broadside's red. If you insist on saying they are using the same plastic, well I don't know what definition you would prefer on it.

Showing them on the site with a digicam image won't render it accurately. Must be how the digicams processors translate the light captured and rendering it as an image.These Takara domestic releases have this extra bling, and that extra really is a big change in the I want it department.

Anyone who don't like it all and still lingers in the Takara thread is akin to self flagellation if they don't really dig only the Hb releases.

Chill out, Fenrir. I already said I misunderstood you initially. I also explained that I do, of course, see the color differences in the plastics used. No one is arguing against that.

Not into opposing for the sake of it. I wonder who here is hot under the collar?

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:Especially Broadside, the HB version was so naked and loose. And the change in plastics really makes a difference! And Sixshot........soooooo sweet! With his knees retooled and the oodles of paint (the purple makes it look like die-cast)! Yum!

I've got both versions of Broadside and Sixshot. The plastics are the same quality between the Hasbro and Takara releases. Only the colors differ (and the paint apps). If anything, Takara had an extra several months to work out production kinks and up the QC to tighten some joints. Plus, loads of extra paint adds thickness to any surfaces that come in contact with one another, "tightening" any loose interfaces for transformation and articulation.

Plastics especially the red on Broadside are a wee bit different or more noticeable. The Hb is a kind of dull red. Same with the teal of 6shot. Don't tell me you didn't notice it?

Sixshot had his knees retooled with an extra tiny slab of rectangular plastic to add a bit more slack. Not simple tightening or depending on the bending mileage. You did check it right? they are located at.....(you can read it in tfwiki)

Also the purple of Kickback. Smooth dark purple while the Hb is kind of dull purple. There IS a difference. You don't need a loop to confirm it.

Your original post made it seem like you were saying that the plastic quality was different between the two when it's just the color. I think that's where the confusion was.

Precisely. The plastic colors are obviously different, I can tell that. The long running misconception in the Transformers collecting fandom, however, has been that Takara somehow uses superior quality plastic on their toys. This is not the case, as they are made in the same factories with the same molds and basic materials. When you started talking about a "change" in the plastics, I assumed you meant the quality and not simply the color of resins used. No worries, we understand each other now, I hope.

Nowhere did I state superior hombres and mujers. Read my post again. Nowhere did I mention resins. Talking about that will cause a big clusterfrack. Also, let me reiterate on 6shot, Takara added an extra piece of molding on his kneecaps to give his knees a little slack unlike the Hb release. So yes, that part is a new mold. Just like the helmet and the Headmaster.

I didn't double dip for the targetmasters so I'm staying away from that but you can tell there is a certain difference, a neatness plus different hues for those that I have in twos ( Kickback, Broadside, 6shot). 6shot's dirty white part for example. Take a closer look.It is a different plastic type from the Hb version. Even Broadside's red. If you insist on saying they are using the same plastic, well I don't know what definition you would prefer on it.

Showing them on the site with a digicam image won't render it accurately. Must be how the digicams processors translate the light captured and rendering it as an image.These Takara domestic releases have this extra bling, and that extra really is a big change in the I want it department.

Anyone who don't like it all and still lingers in the Takara thread is akin to self flagellation if they don't really dig only the Hb releases.

Chill out, Fenrir. I already said I misunderstood you initially. I also explained that I do, of course, see the color differences in the plastics used. No one is arguing against that.

Not into opposing for the sake of it. I wonder who here is hot under the collar?

Darn, you were supposed to mention 6shot's retooled knees again. You ruined the pattern!

(I was also going to be a smartass if that happened and ask if his knees were retooled.)

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