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Posted: **Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:03 pm**

Skritz wrote:Are they 'forbidden' from using molds from ongoing 'Merged Lines' like POTP was and Siege? If the ban does exist is it temporary in the sense Hasbro told them to not release better version of a mold currently being used for mass retail releases? If so does that mean that after 1-2 years, once Hasbro has moved to another toyline, that these molds become open for Takara to do whatever crazy exclusives they feel like?

Takara Tomy isn't Fun Publications, they can use any mold whenever they want however they want, just as they have been from the start of Legends. Problem is both Hasbro and Takara Tomy are using current molds so it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to tie them up with a third use, especially when there's still stuff that can be done with old molds. Even if both companies are using the exact same molds in the exact same way (PotP, Siege) that's still more units the factory has to pump out for more locations. This is also likely why Hasbro and TT are sharing new mold exclusives like Throne of the Primes and Nemesis Prime (though these are sold at mass retail in Japan), while non-shared exclusives (Target Bumblebee Movie Soundwave and tapes or Big Powered) are of older molds.

Emerje

Posted: **Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:42 pm**

Sabrblade wrote:
fenrir72 wrote:But in the anime, Devil Z turned them into full Robot Lifeforms. Hence removing the need for the Masterforce braces/armor. Remember? No more Chokon power.........
Oh, they still have Chokon Power, just not Jinchokon. Chichokon and Tenchokon they could still use, but they lost their Jinchokon after having been stripped of their humanity, and which Devil Z replaced with his Devil Power (which Ask Vector Prime later revealed to be also named "Machokon").

In other words, lose the flesh, lose the special perks of the inner mana power etc etc aka no more Godmaster form aka no more Powermaster armore. They are now "the" robot itself.

Posted: **Sat Oct 13, 2018 6:20 am**

fenrir72 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
fenrir72 wrote:But in the anime, Devil Z turned them into full Robot Lifeforms. Hence removing the need for the Masterforce braces/armor. Remember? No more Chokon power.........
Oh, they still have Chokon Power, just not Jinchokon. Chichokon and Tenchokon they could still use, but they lost their Jinchokon after having been stripped of their humanity, and which Devil Z replaced with his Devil Power (which Ask Vector Prime later revealed to be also named "Machokon").

In other words, lose the flesh, lose the special perks of the inner mana power etc etc aka no more Godmaster form aka no more Powermaster armore. They are now "the" robot itself.

They, unlike the other Transtectors that were given life, do still have their little Godmaster forms that were separate from their Transtectors because they were uniquely changed from human to robot lifeforms, rather than their Transtectors being given life or their being merged with them. So they still have to "God On!" with their Transtectors in order to transform.

Unless Sakamoto were to write a new story that had their little Godmaster forms become permanently merged with all new Transtectors based on new Legends toys.

Posted: **Sat Oct 13, 2018 10:19 pm**

Sabrblade wrote:
fenrir72 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Unless Sakamoto were to write a new story that had their little Godmaster forms become permanently merged with all new Transtectors based on new Legends toys.

Off camera(?), when "Z" "died", even the Jrs, who weren't his creations also disappeared. Well, their exosuit/humanoid forms to be exact. The human mushy centers magically got separated in the last few minutes of the episode. Unless as you stated Sakamoto really explains what happened/retconing this, I'll stick to the logical inference that the "Masterforce" form(exosuit/humanoid) have all lost their usefulness and "magically" disappeared.

Posted: **Sat Oct 13, 2018 10:25 pm**

fenrir72 wrote:Off camera(?), when "Z" "died", even the Jrs, who weren't his creations also disappeared. Well, their exosuit/humanoid forms to be exact. The human mushy centers magically got separated in the last few minutes of the episode. Unless as you stated Sakamoto really explains what happened/retconing this, I'll stick to the logical inference that the "Masterforce" form(exosuit/humanoid) have all lost their usefulness and "magically" disappeared.

Doesn't even have to be Devil Z who could fuse them to their Transtectors. Decepticon science could do it since it's just a matter of working two little machine dudes with two bigger machines.

Posted: **Sun Oct 14, 2018 5:34 am**

Sabrblade wrote:
fenrir72 wrote:Off camera(?), when "Z" "died", even the Jrs, who weren't his creations also disappeared. Well, their exosuit/humanoid forms to be exact. The human mushy centers magically got separated in the last few minutes of the episode. Unless as you stated Sakamoto really explains what happened/retconing this, I'll stick to the logical inference that the "Masterforce" form(exosuit/humanoid) have all lost their usefulness and "magically" disappeared.
Doesn't even have to be Devil Z who could fuse them to their Transtectors. Decepticon science could do it since it's just a matter of working two little machine dudes with two bigger machines.

For that universe, deus ex machina was Devil Z. Heck, he even affected the Cybertron HM Jrs which should not have been the case (or maybe somewhere along the line during the creation of the story in Takara/Toei brain trust some plotlines were truncated?).

Posted: **Sun Oct 14, 2018 5:41 am**

fenrir72 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
fenrir72 wrote:Off camera(?), when "Z" "died", even the Jrs, who weren't his creations also disappeared. Well, their exosuit/humanoid forms to be exact. The human mushy centers magically got separated in the last few minutes of the episode. Unless as you stated Sakamoto really explains what happened/retconing this, I'll stick to the logical inference that the "Masterforce" form(exosuit/humanoid) have all lost their usefulness and "magically" disappeared.
Doesn't even have to be Devil Z who could fuse them to their Transtectors. Decepticon science could do it since it's just a matter of working two little machine dudes with two bigger machines.

For that universe, deus ex machina was Devil Z. Heck, he even affected the Cybertron HM Jrs which should not have been the case (or maybe somewhere along the line during the creation of the story in Takara/Toei brain trust some plotlines were truncated?).

And it wouldn't take an deus ex machina to fuse Buster and Hydra to their Transtectors since the method involved in the process this time would be of a purely mechanical nature, given how all involved would be fully robotic from the get-go.

In fact, now that we got sparks in this fiction, all Sakamoto would need to do is have some Decepticon scientist transfer the sparks of Buster and Hydra from their small robot bodies into new bigger robot bodies that would be based on new Legends toys. Legends World Tarantulas could even do it himself.

Posted: **Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:42 am**

Sabrblade wrote:
fenrir72 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
fenrir72 wrote:Off camera(?), when "Z" "died", even the Jrs, who weren't his creations also disappeared. Well, their exosuit/humanoid forms to be exact. The human mushy centers magically got separated in the last few minutes of the episode. Unless as you stated Sakamoto really explains what happened/retconing this, I'll stick to the logical inference that the "Masterforce" form(exosuit/humanoid) have all lost their usefulness and "magically" disappeared.
Doesn't even have to be Devil Z who could fuse them to their Transtectors. Decepticon science could do it since it's just a matter of working two little machine dudes with two bigger machines.

For that universe, deus ex machina was Devil Z. Heck, he even affected the Cybertron HM Jrs which should not have been the case (or maybe somewhere along the line during the creation of the story in Takara/Toei brain trust some plotlines were truncated?).
And it wouldn't take an deus ex machina to fuse Buster and Hydra to their Transtectors since the method involved in the process this time would be of a purely mechanical nature, given how all involved would be fully robotic from the get-go.

In fact, now that we got sparks in this fiction, all Sakamoto would need to do is have some Decepticon scientist transfer the sparks of Buster and Hydra from their small robot bodies into new bigger robot bodies that would be based on new Legends toys. Legends World Tarantulas could even do it himself.

Deus Ex Machina as you overlook the fact that even the HMJr Cybertrons also got affected. Z had nothing to do with their creation. No issue with the Destrons as the subplot had some transtectors stolen (having ugly beastmode mechs coming from Cybertrons already another what the...........or maybe the Cybertrons were already experimenting with a next generation of Monsterbots already) from their factory.

Its so easy to blame Z for everything back then. He was responsible for this and that...........well according to Z anyway. He was a very big self-promoter thanks to his Quintesson roots.

Your insistence on a Destron scientist into the mix have any basis? Or just fan speculation? My inference on Z is staying true to the Masterforce lore.

Posted: **Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:55 am**

fenrir72 wrote:Your insistence on a Destron scientist into the mix have any basis? Or just fan speculation? My inference on Z is staying true to the Masterforce lore.

All I'm saying is that they don't need some grand cosmic deity to perform what would otherwise be a simple and pedestrian task of transferring sparks from one pair of bodies to another pair.

It would be like asking Unicron to help you with your taxes instead of consulting a tax expert.

There's nothing magical about this that would require Devil Z specifically to do this. This isn't like when he brought life to lifelessness in the Masterforce cartoon, this is taking life that's already in one place and moving it over to another place.

And besides, Devil Z is dead. For the second time in his life. Bringing him back a third time just to have him perform such a small time job would be both needlessly repetitive and a disservice to his abilities.

Posted: **Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:08 am**

Going back to the toys, how will big powered likely be packaged? Just trying to think ahead for storage solutions.

Posted: **Sun Oct 14, 2018 4:27 pm**

ZeroWolf wrote:Going back to the toys, how will big powered likely be packaged? Just trying to think ahead for storage solutions.

Dai Atlas most definitely in Robot Mode, as he's quite the box in vehicle mode. Not too sure about the other two, could go either or.

Posted: **Sun Oct 14, 2018 5:33 pm**

ZeroWolf wrote:Going back to the toys, how will big powered likely be packaged? Just trying to think ahead for storage solutions.

I figure it will either be all three in robot mode or the combined mode. Probably the three robots, since that would be the most efficient.

Posted: **Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:19 pm**

Sabrblade wrote:
fenrir72 wrote:Your insistence on a Destron scientist into the mix have any basis? Or just fan speculation? My inference on Z is staying true to the Masterforce lore.
All I'm saying is that they don't need some grand cosmic deity to perform what would otherwise be a simple and pedestrian task of transferring sparks from one pair of bodies to another pair.

It would be like asking Unicron to help you with your taxes instead of consulting a tax expert.

There's nothing magical about this that would require Devil Z specifically to do this. This isn't like when he brought life to lifelessness in the Masterforce cartoon, this is taking life that's already in one place and moving it over to another place.

And besides, Devil Z is dead. For the second time in his life. Bringing him back a third time just to have him perform such a small time job would be both needlessly repetitive and a disservice to his abilities.

Excuse moi 8-}

The deed was already done at the end of Masterforce. I am not revising history. Upon his death, Destron God Devil Z who later turned out to be a wayward negative feeling blob of Vector Sigma/Oracle (Sakamoto's Legends)"magically" cancelled out the Masterforce braces.

The Jrs(Cybertrons and Destrons), Godmasters (Cybertrons and Destrons) automatically barfed out their human chewy centers. That is FACT in the anime. The Darkwings, though at first converted to full machine Godmasters. So logically, if you follow the one size fit all fate of the exosuits/mastersuits, all the "Masterforce wielders" got their suits absorbed into the main body 'bot(unless otherwise retconed by Sakamato etc).

They never ever showed up again as Masterforce armor. Even in Victory, during Ginrai's report via space comlink to Starsaber , they were their full robot forms.

What part of my post is inaccurate?

Posted: **Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:58 am**

Takara Tomy really likes to recycle box shapes when they can on larger release (Encore Fort Max and Titans Metroplex and Fort Max all use the same exact box type) so I suspect for a three pack they'll either use the same box type as Encore God Fire Convoy or Legends EX God Ginrai, most like the latter. So a good size box with no windows.

Emerje

Posted: **Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:31 pm**

So I just bought Studio Series Thundercracker which is an awesome mold along with Nitro. But unfortunately it was OFF with their heads for both! For NItro I chose Titan Master Grax...epicness!

I got LG Ravage and used Bullhorn for Thundercrack's body and he looks awesome! I only wish I could show images but I lack a decent camera for true justice pics. They are both now simply bad@ss...'nuff said! :VEHI:

Posted: **Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:19 pm**

Star Convoy and Armada Convoy!!!!

https://twitter.com/hdijanz/status/1094394716764856320

Star Convoy is a retool of POTP Leader class Optimus Prime, while Armada Convoy looks like he might, surprisingly, be a completely new mold.

Posted: **Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:24 pm**

OK I need that Armada Optimus, like, now.

Posted: **Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:25 pm**

HOLY CRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP!!! :shock:

Posted: **Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:26 pm**

ARMADA Optimus Prime only gets interesting for me if there'll be other figures he can combine with >:oP

Posted: **Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:29 pm**

Granted I do have to admit I'm mildy confused by the mold choice for Star Convoy. While I get he's a 'trailer and cab form the robot together' type of Optimus I'm a bit puzzled because of the possibility that he retain the smaller mode. Not only that but Star Convoy being a long-nosed can and that mold is a flat, blocky cab.

Hmmm. Most peculiar. Not impossible to retool, mind you, just unusual. I would have thought TR PMOP would have been a better pick, using a completely new cab. :-?

Posted: **Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:29 pm**

Micron Legend Convoy, looks quite nice.

I wonder if he's a standalone figure or if there's more to him.

Or if he actually combines with the trailer to form Star Convoy there? :-?

Hmm, the Star Convoy retool seems a bit lazy. A chest piece, shoulder guns and a new head, and they call it a day. Slightly disappointed.

Also, a question arises, did they retool the trailer portion to give it treads?

Posted: **Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:35 pm**

Armada looks really good, cool and beefy.

Posted: **Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:43 pm**

Star Convoy isn't as 'lazy' as he look, its just that there isn't actually all that much in the design that is so radically different from the G1 Optimus. He has all the retooling he need already. At least in robot mode, that is.

Posted: **Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:44 pm**

More pics - https://twitter.com/chromless/status/1094403452279578625/

Posted: **Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:45 pm**

Yup, Armada Convoy totally does the supermode. Look at the...erm...crotch. :lol:

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