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Randomhero wrote:Doesn't matter if you like the comics are not. It's what it's based on. His entire head is based on IDWs head and the colors are as well.

It's like posting a comparison of apples and oranges and saying "I know I should compare an orange with a clementine but I don't like clementines"

The charts aren't designed the map out every source of inspiration behind the new figures. They are mostly a tool to help decide which version to get (Hasbro or Takara) based on which is closer to the cartoon (or toy) since this is what I'm interested in. If a character has a Masterpiece figure I might throw it in for fun, to see how its cartoon-accuracy compares with the new figure.
If someone wants to make ones with the IDW designs they are certainly welcome to.

william-james88 wrote:I was looking at pics of Brainstorm's vehicle mode in the US cartoon and that voyager still nails it better than all the rest:



And Cyberpath, here is that image in colour:

Thanks, Will! But yeah, that's the one that I found, too. Unfortunately it's from the Marvel Comics profile pages; they tend to be more crude and don't always match the actual animation cels...



I considered painting the lineart from The Ark, but it seems that particular one was traced (rather poorly) from the Marvel Comic profile, so didn't think it was worth the effort of laying down the flats.

Wish there were a book with all the colour models from the Sunbow show.

william-james88 wrote:

Want.

Cyberpath wrote:

Randomhero wrote:Doesn't matter if you like the comics are not. It's what it's based on. His entire head is based on IDWs head and the colors are as well.

It's like posting a comparison of apples and oranges and saying "I know I should compare an orange with a clementine but I don't like clementines"

The charts aren't designed the map out every source of inspiration behind the new figures. They are mostly a tool to help decide which version to get (Hasbro or Takara) based on which is closer to the cartoon (or toy) since this is what I'm interested in.

Even if it's a mold that based directly on a non-cartoon comic design more than anything? In the case of Voyager Brainstorm, it's based on Nick Roche's MTMTE design, with the Hasbro version reflecting that in its deco while Takara tried coloring it more like the 1987 toy's deco. In this example, it's a mold sculpted to resemble neither the original toy nor any of the cartoon models, and is colored by both companies in non-cartoon-based decos.

Frankly, the Voyager might as well have been left out from this comparison altogether since it's not based on what you're interested in.

Cyberpath wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Want.

Staring right into my soul. Curses!

steals_your_goats wrote:I don't usually fan boy over toys (mostly because I hate fanboys) but God damn Ginrai looks absolutely perfect. I'm so glad I waited for him to be revealed.

I am such a sucker for value and getting more ang for your buck and man even if I dont like those feet, this toy has that. I always assumed he'd be at a higher price point since TFSource is charging 95$ for him. That turns out to be 10$ more than the MSRP and its a nonsense figure, especially when they charge 75$ for Blaster. Probably curreny caught up to them in between the months.

Anyways, I thought he was a higher price point. But he isnt, and yet they give you all that retooling and he is huge compared to the Hasbro leader. Thats good value and I might jump on him now.

itscramtastic wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:I wonder if he can bend his arm enough to perch Blaster on/over his shoulder like a true 80's hero on the street would?

I feel like we saw that picture somewhere..

Til all are JAMMIN' ON THE ONE!

Cobotron wrote:

itscramtastic wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:I wonder if he can bend his arm enough to perch Blaster on/over his shoulder like a true 80's hero on the street would?

I feel like we saw that picture somewhere..

Til all are JAMMIN' ON THE ONE!

Thank you Cobro

This all looks awesome...and expensive. Sorry Takara, I'm going all in on this line, so I gotta go with Hasbro.

Damn you Takara, why do you have to make Soundwave look that good. I have absolutely no need for it and nowhere to put it, but dang it I need to have it

Sigma Magnus wrote:This all looks awesome...and expensive. Sorry Takara, I'm going all in on this line, so I gotta go with Hasbro.

I'm stuck in a similar dilemma. This is currently what I am struggling with: what if Takara releases Godbomber to go with their Ginrai? Hasbro might do it for theirs, but what if one looks much better? It keeps happening in the RID line where a cool product gets released only to be outdone by and even better one.

Man I just wished I saw what they were all planning before i made my purchase.

Cobotron wrote:

Best image here, no doubt.

And everytime I see Ginrai, I look at those feet. that is the one thing that I do not like, Godbomber or no

Properly coloured Hi-Q! And no dorky looking Orion head! More reasons for me to order Takara's Prime over Hasbro's

Carnivius_Prime wrote:Properly coloured Hi-Q!

Ginrai, you mean.

Sabrblade wrote:

Carnivius_Prime wrote:Properly coloured Hi-Q!

Ginrai, you mean.

Nope. I ignore the japanese continuity. That there is my updated Hi-Q no matter what it says on the box!

This is first time I've actually been excited about a G1 Optimus Prime since the original Powermaster figure (the only one of my original collection I still own).


Just wondering if I will repaint Prime's eyes red or not. I do prefer the red.

(base mode still looks like garbage but I won't use that anyways, especially as the main reason I used it on the original figure was for when using the smaller Prime figure formed from the cab which this doesn't do)

Carnivius_Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Carnivius_Prime wrote:Properly coloured Hi-Q!

Ginrai, you mean.

Nope. I ignore the japanese continuity. That there is my updated Hi-Q no matter what it says on the box!

It might say Hi Q on the box, who knows.

william-james88 wrote:

Carnivius_Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Carnivius_Prime wrote:Properly coloured Hi-Q!

Ginrai, you mean.

Nope. I ignore the japanese continuity. That there is my updated Hi-Q no matter what it says on the box!

It might say Hi Q on the box, who knows.

But it already says Ginrai on the box

Kurona wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Carnivius_Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Carnivius_Prime wrote:Properly coloured Hi-Q!

Ginrai, you mean.

Nope. I ignore the japanese continuity. That there is my updated Hi-Q no matter what it says on the box!

It might say Hi Q on the box, who knows.

But it already says Ginrai on the box

We have pics of this toy in box? Can you give me a link, that would be newsworthy.

Don't like Soundwave or his minions at all so pass on those.

I like Brainstorm's colours but he just looks weird without his mouthplate to me. I know it's japanese cartoon accurate but screw that. I want the Walgreens one if I can find it available to the UK.

william-james88 wrote:

Kurona wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Carnivius_Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Carnivius_Prime wrote:Properly coloured Hi-Q!

Ginrai, you mean.

Nope. I ignore the japanese continuity. That there is my updated Hi-Q no matter what it says on the box!

It might say Hi Q on the box, who knows.

But it already says Ginrai on the box

We have pics of this toy in box? Can you give me a link, that would be newsworthy.

No, just the fact it's called LG35 Ginrai kind of hints that that's what's gonna be printed on the box

Kurona wrote:No, just the fact it's called LG35 Ginrai kind of hints that that's what's gonna be printed on the box

That varies from place to place. His real name on the site with this listing was actually Super Jinrai with a J. So I dont know if that will be there too. The main reason I dontk now anymore is because a lot of Convoys have become Optimus in English on the Japanese boxes.

william-james88 wrote:

Kurona wrote:No, just the fact it's called LG35 Ginrai kind of hints that that's what's gonna be printed on the box

That varies from place to place. His real name on the site with this listing was actually Super Jinrai with a J. So I dont know if that will be there too. The main reason I dontk now anymore is because a lot of Convoys have become Optimus in English on the Japanese boxes.

Well, I mean; Ginrai or some variation thereof. Translations differ from place to place.

Cobotron wrote:

itscramtastic wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:I wonder if he can bend his arm enough to perch Blaster on/over his shoulder like a true 80's hero on the street would?

I feel like we saw that picture somewhere..

Til all are JAMMIN' ON THE ONE!

now get one of him in a break dance position with blaster

william-james88 wrote:

Kurona wrote:No, just the fact it's called LG35 Ginrai kind of hints that that's what's gonna be printed on the box

That varies from place to place. His real name on the site with this listing was actually Super Jinrai with a J. So I dont know if that will be there too. The main reason I dontk now anymore is because a lot of Convoys have become Optimus in English on the Japanese boxes.

But Ginrai isn't a Convoy. Japan knows he's not the same character as Optimus like Convoy is. They're the ones who made the distinction in the first place.

And outside of special cases like Scorponok/MegaZarak and Fortress/Fortress Maximus, the little Headmasters don't get their own unique names in Japanese fiction, as they're the same identity as the larger bodies. The little Headmaster here is still Ginrai just as the Transtector body is Ginrai (though, in this case, this toy represents Ginrai's Double On mode Super Ginrai, as the normal Ginrai transtector cab is fully integrated with the trailer this time around).

I didn't mean that. Was just giving examples about English names on the box that weren't the Japanese names. Like when convoy is written as optimus. LG 02 is a good example.

william-james88 wrote:I didn't mean that. Was just giving examples about English names on the box that weren't the Japanese names. Like when convoy is written as optimus. LG 02 is a good example.

I see. But in this case, Ginrai doesn't have an English name (outside of some DVD subtitles that just used the Japanese name).

Takara's Super Ginrai retool is superior in almost every way to Hasbro's Powermaster Optimus Prime...except for those damned feet! >.<

This is an example of how going too G1 works against a figure. Just replace those weird "stilts" with the original Hasbro feet, and Ginrai would be absolutely perfect. Here's hoping there's a way to at least fiddle with those weird foot struts to make them angle out a bit more.