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william-james88 wrote:

ScottyP wrote:

william-james88 wrote:I am also peeved by this. Its minimal effort.

This is shortsighted.

I was referring to the fact that they showed us the toy would have retooling in their renders but ended up not giving us that. If I would not have been told I would get something, I would have a similar opinion to you.

The very finished looking product on the Toy Fair show floor had the Sixshot helmet in red though. It should have been expected at that point that this was what was coming. If it was a legit mistake, I'd cautiously hazard a guess that later runs will be different, if they even occur.

Additionally, I don't care about Quickswitch so maybe that colors how I'm thinking about this too.

ScottyP wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

ScottyP wrote:

william-james88 wrote:I am also peeved by this. Its minimal effort.

This is shortsighted.

I was referring to the fact that they showed us the toy would have retooling in their renders but ended up not giving us that. If I would not have been told I would get something, I would have a similar opinion to you.

The very finished looking product on the Toy Fair show floor had the Sixshot helmet in red though. It should have been expected at that point that this was what was coming.

But all reports from toyfair (which I heard on your podcast) were that those were not finished products but painted mock ups. So I dont see how they can be seen as "very finished looking products". Although i will give you that Hasbro's Afterburner did have the right head on the show floor when first revealed, while the official pic didnt, so this has happened before. I just think that it was normal for us fans to expect something shown to us and its all right to be dissapointed by the final result.

william-james88 wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Is it just me or has anyone else noticed in TR that there have been more leader Decepticons? Soundwave, Six Shot, and Sky Shadow for the Decepticons with only Prime and Blaster for the Autobots.

hasbro said they were focusing on decepticons in this line and releasing all six phasers. So what you are noticing is something hasbro already confirmed is happening.

Conversely, though, we have almost double the number Autobot Deluxes (and Titan Master) class figures when compared to the Decepticons. We'll have more big Decepticons, but as far as I've seen the numbers will still (as always) be in favor of the Autobots.

DecepticonFinishline wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Is it just me or has anyone else noticed in TR that there have been more leader Decepticons? Soundwave, Six Shot, and Sky Shadow for the Decepticons with only Prime and Blaster for the Autobots.

hasbro said they were focusing on decepticons in this line and releasing all six phasers. So what you are noticing is something hasbro already confirmed is happening.

Conversely, though, we have almost double the number Autobot Deluxes (and Titan Master) class figures when compared to the Decepticons. We'll have more big Decepticons, but as far as I've seen the numbers will still (as always) be in favor of the Autobots.

You can call it tradition then. The cons are bigger and stronger with military advantage and the autobots have numbers!

So if anyone wants to see a clear image of how Rodimus looks on Hot Rod... pretty good!

william-james88 wrote:

Emerje wrote:You guys are over thinking it, it's just the crest on the original figure's forehead slightly embellished.

My dear Emerje, you are a bit out of the loop here. Look at the most recent news stories about this set and you will understand whats going on here.

Will, my friend, I do believe it is you that is out of the loop. Instead of reading the portion of my post that Diem quoted go back and read the whole post to see what we're actually talking about.

Emerje

william-james88 wrote:

DecepticonFinishline wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Is it just me or has anyone else noticed in TR that there have been more leader Decepticons? Soundwave, Six Shot, and Sky Shadow for the Decepticons with only Prime and Blaster for the Autobots.

hasbro said they were focusing on decepticons in this line and releasing all six phasers. So what you are noticing is something hasbro already confirmed is happening.

Conversely, though, we have almost double the number Autobot Deluxes (and Titan Master) class figures when compared to the Decepticons. We'll have more big Decepticons, but as far as I've seen the numbers will still (as always) be in favor of the Autobots.

You can call it tradition then. The cons are bigger and stronger with military advantage and the autobots have numbers!

Ehhh! Bah humbug tradition. I need my Decepticon shelves more fleshed out!

Also, I believed them when they said it; but now I'm not entirely sure why Hasbro is telling us the Clones are their own class and the same size as the old Scouts - they're the same size as Bumblebee! Is it to do with parts count?

Emerje wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Emerje wrote:You guys are over thinking it, it's just the crest on the original figure's forehead slightly embellished.

My dear Emerje, you are a bit out of the loop here. Look at the most recent news stories about this set and you will understand whats going on here.

Will, my friend, I do believe it is you that is out of the loop. Instead of reading the portion of my post that Diem quoted go back and read the whole post to see what we're actually talking about.

Emerje

I'll quote whatever extracts I want AND die trying!

Toysrus on the south side of Des Moines Iowa is fully stocked if anyone on here is from there. I picked mine up and the guy said they came in today and just put them out!!!

Kurona wrote:Also, I believed them when they said it; but now I'm not entirely sure why Hasbro is telling us the Clones are their own class and the same size as the old Scouts - they're the same size as Bumblebee! Is it to do with parts count?

someone else that had them in hand said that he feels like a legends figure
so hasbro basically lied to us. means the takara versions wont cost too much.

Hasbro was misleading to be sure, but its nice to have something to compare them with in terms of "value"

With CW Box Sets You got a Voyager ($25 US) plus 4 Deluxes ($15 each X 4=$60) plus a Legends ($10)= $95 base price, but the fact that all 6 figures had a strong connective theme made paying roughly $100 plus tax worth it.

Now with these TR sets you get a Leader ($45) a Voyager ($25), a Deluxe ($15), a Legends ($10) and a metal TR head...lets just say $5.00 (yes its metal, but you don't get the vehicle...)

So total value is $100, same as they would be if sold individually basically....

So some might say TR sets are a better value for your dollar than the CW sets, but the randomness of characters will still no doubt lead to a ton of these getting piecemealed in the secondary market, which is fine. I think also Hasbro saves cost by packaging them in sets like this rather than individually. I guess you could say, we are kind of doing Hasbro's work for them by trying to sell them individually after purchase

Also, I don't know if anyone can confirm...but is the size/dimension of the packaging the same as a Combiner wars Combiner (Victorion, Computorn G2's...) or something closer to CW Devastator, or a slightly different size altogether?

o.supreme wrote:Hasbro was misleading to be sure, but its nice to have something to compare them with in terms of "value"

With CW Box Sets You got a Voyager ($25 US) plus 4 Deluxes ($15 each X 4=$60) plus a Legends ($10)= $95 base price, but the fact that all 6 figures had a strong connective theme made paying roughly $100 plus tax worth it.

Now with these TR sets you get a Leader ($45) a Voyager ($25), a Deluxe ($15), a Legends ($10) and a metal TR head...lets just say $5.00 (yes its metal, but you don't get the vehicle...)

So total value is $100, same as they would be if sold individually basically....

So some might say TR sets are a better value for your dollar than the CW sets, but the randomness of characters will still no doubt lead to a ton of these getting piecemealed in the secondary market, which is fine. I think also Hasbro saves cost by packaging them in sets like this rather than individually. I guess you could say, we are kind of doing Hasbro's work for them by trying to sell them individually after purchase

Also, I don't know if anyone can confirm...but is the size/dimension of the packaging the same as a Combiner wars Combiner (Victorion, Computorn G2's...) or something closer to CW Devastator, or a slightly different size altogether?

I consider it a value on the basis that 1. Robotkingdome put their preorders for $165(original rumors were 125 for online when announced) 2. They're exclusives to certain stores and 3. Your getting 2 new molds and 2 "retools" and that are exclusive to the set. It's not a bad price for something that is exclusive to toysrus

The only new molds are the clones. Even the Titan Masters are re-used from previously released Titan Masters.

Kurona wrote:The only new molds are the clones. Even the Titan Masters are re-used from previously released Titan Masters.

No the rodimus Titan master is new I'm holding it in my hand right now

Edit: you're right, the rodimus is from Ptero but we're still getting atleast one new figure in the first sets that has been confirmed won't be sold in regular retail because according to hasbro he's between deluxe and legends scale. I disagree 100% he's total legends and honestly next to laser Prime the weakest in the set to me.

Randomhero wrote:

Kurona wrote:The only new molds are the clones. Even the Titan Masters are re-used from previously released Titan Masters.

No the rodimus Titan master is new I'm holding it in my hand right now

Edit: you're right, the rodimus is from Ptero but we're still getting atleast one new figure in the first sets that has been confirmed won't be sold in regular retail because according to hasbro he's between deluxe and legends scale. I disagree 100% he's total legends and honestly next to laser Prime the weakest in the set to me.

In addition to the head mode face, the robot mode torso itself is new, so it's at least not the Ptero mold's robot mode wholecloth.

Sabrblade wrote:

Randomhero wrote:

Kurona wrote:The only new molds are the clones. Even the Titan Masters are re-used from previously released Titan Masters.

No the rodimus Titan master is new I'm holding it in my hand right now

Edit: you're right, the rodimus is from Ptero but we're still getting atleast one new figure in the first sets that has been confirmed won't be sold in regular retail because according to hasbro he's between deluxe and legends scale. I disagree 100% he's total legends and honestly next to laser Prime the weakest in the set to me.

In addition to the head mode face, the robot mode torso itself is new, so it's at least not the Ptero mold's robot mode wholecloth.

Almost should just call it partsharing. Most of that titan master is brand new

Randomhero wrote:

Kurona wrote:The only new molds are the clones. Even the Titan Masters are re-used from previously released Titan Masters.

No the rodimus Titan master is new I'm holding it in my hand right now

Edit: you're right, the rodimus is from Ptero but we're still getting atleast one new figure in the first sets that has been confirmed won't be sold in regular retail because according to hasbro he's between deluxe and legends scale. I disagree 100% he's total legends and honestly next to laser Prime the weakest in the set to me.

Actually, strangely enough, the Rodimus TM is a face-remold of Ptero from Wave 3 with a new torso (Jelze worked this out quite a lot of pages back, if I remember). Similarly, Thunderwing is Fangry with a new face. Strange, but true.

Anyways, they're technically remolds but it's not really much of a big deal - when it comes down to it, the most important part of a TM is the face and that's the major new part, so.

EDIT: Ninja'd by a whole discussion!

Yeah "Fastlane" sure looks like a Legends class to me. Is there any structural difference like screwed together pieces instead of ball joints ?

I'm actually a little disappointed in some ways as I liked the idea of them being about PCC commander / Scout size more - it would have given them some extra appeal.

I wonder if they might do an RID Starscream on us and repack them as Legions after all - especially in places like Europe where they are astronomically expensive it might makes sense to release them on their own cards - heck make a wave out of them with someone suitably altered as another Throttlebot to bump up the numbers instant bonus wave - for anytime between 2017/2018. since the Titanmaster gimic isn't essential for legions it might make sense to do that in places the boxed set isn't released - like South America & some places in Europe perhaps.

If they'd come with guns then I'd discounted that idea but as they lack them - I can't see any reason for them not to be legions Pounce as well perhaps - well this one at least I don't know about Wingspan and Cloudraker they might have wings big enough to bump them over the price point.

Been messing with my box set for about half an hour, 100% worth it.

quickswitch: helmet doesn't bother in the slightest it's fine and I messed around with his robot mode to make him look different from sixshot. Hid the chest wings, rotated the big wheels to face forward, flattened out the back wings and spread them like a seeker. Super tight, tighter than my six shot. He's top.

Rodimus: he looks good on hot rod toy. Blends well. Little hard to get the master on at first though.

Fastclash: eh, he's okay. You lay him down and put his arms forward. Looks like a robot laying down. Same as the old one but what are ya gonna do?

Laser Prime: I have no love for that look, he's never "wowed" me and I was huge into G2 but the Laser Rod never did anything for me when when I was 10. I owe my buddy for gifting me the Botcon Pounce and Wingspan and promised him a sixshot but I haven't found a second one and he loves Laser Rod Optimus and he every deco of it including Scourge so I might gift it to him.

Nautica: love her! She's Natica. Even standing her next to Blurr and Brainstorm, all I see is Nautica and that's what I want to see. Props to the gentleman who said he was going to give her one of Generations Wheeljack's wrenches because I did that the moment I transformed her.

Any pics of Laser Prime's jet mode yet?

So how is everyone else justifying value for these sets in their heads?

The way I see it; the clones and Titan Masters are consistently good but they're not enough to justify the price at all - they're nice little bonuses but make up 15% of the price at best. Therefore for me, at the very least either the Leader has to be appealing or both the Deluxe and Voyager have to be appealing to justify the price at all. This is kind of why the Velocitron set falls short for me; Quickswitch is not appealing in the slightest and he makes up half of the boxset's price. And then Nautica is such a bad representation of a great character all that leaves is Laser Prime with a couple cute bonus figures, which isn't worth the asking price.

Meanwhile, the Cybertron set looks incredible - Magnus Prime is an immediate win and while Tidal Wave looks pretty lame, Metalhawk's an awesome representation of the character based on an equally awesome mold. With the Voyager the only kinda stinker in the set - and even then it's an alright mold I could have fun transforming occasionally - this is one I'd be very happy to pick up at RRP.

I still feel this is a frustrating situation - there's bound to be at least one figure in here one won't find themselves enjoying; at least with the CW boxsets the full combiner was what mattered the most so even if there were one or two or even all figures you didn't like in the set, it'd be fine because you'd have that combined mode. Not having that for these boxsets - and the fact they have no unifying theme - makes them extremely tricky to justify buying.

RAR wrote:Yeah "Fastlane" sure looks like a Legends class to me. Is there any structural difference like screwed together pieces instead of ball joints ?

I'm actually a little disappointed in some ways as I liked the idea of them being about PCC commander / Scout size more - it would have given them some extra appeal.

I wonder if they might do an RID Starscream on us and repack them as Legions after all - especially in places like Europe where they are astronomically expensive it might makes sense to release them on their own cards - heck make a wave out of them with someone suitably altered as another Throttlebot to bump up the numbers instant bonus wave - for anytime between 2017/2018. since the Titanmaster gimic isn't essential for legions it might make sense to do that in places the boxed set isn't released - like South America & some places in Europe perhaps.

If they'd come with guns then I'd discounted that idea but as they lack them - I can't see any reason for them not to be legions Pounce as well perhaps - well this one at least I don't know about Wingspan and Cloudraker they might have wings big enough to bump them over the price point.

All my Combiners are in combined mode when on display so I have a plastic drawer in my office filled with guns and when I transformer doesn't come with one I give him or her one of those guns and it's fine.

There is at least $35-$45 worth of figures I do not want from each set, but the cool factor of the rest make up for it, and I can live with the 3 figures I don't really want at all. They are all cool, and if Randomhero is right about tighter joints, I may enjoy Quickswitch more than Sixshot

Has anyone given any thought about Fangry and Horribull lately.
I think squeezeplay is out as there is no suitable mould (unless they make a new one) but It did cross my mind with some clever design perhaps Repugnus and Squeezeplay could share a mould family with minimal remoulded parts ?
Fangry is clearly simple enough to make out of Twinferno and some have suggested they see Horribull in Skullsmasher.

One feature i'd like is to see all of them get ANGRY Faces or what ever is appropriate contrast to their existing ones and they would make such a great set up as they'd be able to wield their previous accessories as weapons which would look rather cool and make them pretty neat in their own way too.

I'd put this idea on the "to do later" list along with the beast Combiners plenty of people still want.