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Updated Alt Modes: When, Why, and How

PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 11:24 am
by Evil Eye
It goes without saying that changing a character's alt mode is usually the subject of a great deal of controversy. We saw it with Megatron becoming a tank instead of a gun, we saw it with Blast Off being a Harrier instead of a space shuttle, and we'll undoubtedly see it many times more.

So anyway, what are some characters you'd like to see get a change of alt mode- and what would be your solutions to common alt mode conundrums (such as "Megatron can't turn into a realistic pistol anymore because kids kept getting shot" and "Blast Off doesn't make a lot of sense as a space shuttle")?

Let's get the ball rolling, shall we?

Silverbolt:

Silverbolt never made a lot of sense to me. As much as I love the Concorde, it doesn't really make a great deal of sense for it to be on a team of military aircraft- and because it's so "thin" it's really difficult to make a toy that has to be a robot AND a combiner torso be a convincing Concorde. And that's not even touching on the scale issues (Yes I know Transformers and scale never mix...).

TFC tried making him into an SR-71 Blackbird (Whitebird?) but sadly it didn't work very well- it suffered (as many Blackbird Transformers do) from "robot doing yoga bolted to the underside of an aircraft" syndrome, and was generally not a very good toy. I, however, have a much better idea for an aircraft for Silverbolt to turn into, one that's larger than most military jets (but not ludicrously so), fairly blocky/chunky, and is an actual armed military aircraft.

Presenting: The F-111 Aardvark!

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As you can tell by the size of its cockpit, it's pretty damn huge, thus making it perfect for a combiner torso. Plus, it's a really, really cool aircraft.

Jetfire:

Jetfire was originally a Macross Valkyrie toy given a new deco and ported over to the Transformers line. He was always depicted as huge in the cartoon (where he turned into a blocky Cybertronian cargo plane...thing...) so naturally his alt mode needs to be big, even by jet standards. His Generations toy is cool, but making him a "regular" jet makes him look odd next to other jetformers, especially the likes of Classics Seekers. Several 3P companies have attempted to make his classic jet alt mode...with little success.

However, I can think of an alt mode for him that is not only huge, not only fairly similar to his original jet mode, but also an utterly legendary aircraft whose time was cut too short.

I'm talking, of course, about the incredible TSR-2.

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Not only does it look a lot like G1 Jetfire, it's also a beautiful looking aircraft. I'd love to see a Transformer turn into one of these- Jetfire just seems like an ideal candidate for the alt mode.

Reflector:

Poor, poor Reflector. Doomed to insignificance after Season 1, they were always one (three?) of my favourite unsung heroes of the Decepticon forces. Now I actually really like Reflector as a camera (and plan to get the PE Scouting Force some day) but suppose he were to get an actual vehicle mode.

How about, I propose, a police surveillance van?

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It seems fitting that the Reflector trio would turn into something like this- especially topical with the controversy over government surveillance at the moment. Also, something like this would work well as a "vehicle mode combiner" like Reflector- it's big and boxy and could easily split apart into 3 small robots.

Anyway, discuss away!

Re: Updated Alt Modes: When, Why, and How

PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 11:33 am
by fenrir72
Jetfire....why not a B1-b Bomber. The one you referenced kind of looks skinny. In my opinion, if Optimus is a truck, Jetfire at least a swing wing aircraft.

Re: Updated Alt Modes: When, Why, and How

PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 11:42 am
by Amelie
I had this very kinda thought about "Classics" Blaster. I know they used the Cybertron Soundwave mold because it was that stupid thing of remolding\colouring Soundwave as Blaster, but it made no sense.

I'd have really liked a few of the colours changed from Blaster and for it to be...

Swoop. They could put a little joke in with the Lazerbeak minicon being Divebomb.

I like it when they mix up alt-modes and it still makes sense. Cloud Starscream was a perfect example of that. Brilliant idea.

Re: Updated Alt Modes: When, Why, and How

PostPosted: Sat Feb 06, 2016 9:24 pm
by Optimum Supreme
I would hate the one you suggest for Jetfire if it was used for Jetfire, but oddly I think it would be a nice one to use for Silverbolt.

Re: Updated Alt Modes: When, Why, and How

PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 10:02 am
by Rodimus Prime
Not sure how much of an update it can be, since the aircraft has been around for about 80 years, but I always thought Jetfire could be a B-17 Flying Fortress. Or if we want to stay with his size-difference, yet something more modern, how about a C-117 or a C-130 cargo plane? Or if they want to go so big as to transport other TFs, give him the Antonov An-225 for an alt mode, it's the largest aircraft ever built.

Re: Updated Alt Modes: When, Why, and How

PostPosted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 11:08 pm
by Crosscheck
Rodimus Prime wrote:Not sure how much of an update it can be, since the aircraft has been around for about 80 years, but I always thought Jetfire could be a B-17 Flying Fortress. Or if we want to stay with his size-difference, yet something more modern, how about a C-117 or a C-130 cargo plane? Or if they want to go so big as to transport other TFs, give him the Antonov An-225 for an alt mode, it's the largest aircraft ever built.

Jetfire should be a, you know, JET. Definitely should not be a prop plane.

Re: Updated Alt Modes: When, Why, and How

PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 9:58 am
by Insurgent
Ok. Make Skyfire a B52. Or a C130. Problem solved. :-D


I think his first classics toy was a perfect alt mode for Jetfire. I don't think he would suit an earth mode, if your going off G1. Course, can always remember Jetfire in the movies was an SR71 Blackbird. So he has had a modern alt mode (in before Movies suck comments!) :michaelbay:

Re: Updated Alt Modes: When, Why, and How

PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 2:12 pm
by Evil Eye
Insurgent wrote:Ok. Make Skyfire a B52. Or a C130. Problem solved. :-D


I think his first classics toy was a perfect alt mode for Jetfire. I don't think he would suit an earth mode, if your going off G1. Course, can always remember Jetfire in the movies was an SR71 Blackbird. So he has had a modern alt mode (in before Movies suck comments!) :michaelbay:

The big problem with the Blackbird is that it's such a thin, flat aircraft that it's nigh on impossible to make a convincing SR-71 Transformer that doesn't suffer from "Robot doing yoga bolted underneath and aircraft" syndrome. A shame because I love the SR-71...

Re: Updated Alt Modes: When, Why, and How

PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 2:55 pm
by Insurgent
Unless the underside splits apart like a cape and swings around onto the top of the aircraft, thus allowing the underside robot bits to appear enclosed ala G1 Scourge. Course, it wouldn't be a compeltely flat slimline aircraft then, but something has to have a compromise.

Re: Updated Alt Modes: When, Why, and How

PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 5:23 pm
by Crosscheck
Insurgent wrote:Ok. Make Skyfire a B52. Or a C130. Problem solved. :-D


I think his first classics toy was a perfect alt mode for Jetfire. I don't think he would suit an earth mode, if your going off G1. Course, can always remember Jetfire in the movies was an SR71 Blackbird. So he has had a modern alt mode (in before Movies suck comments!) :michaelbay:

C-130 is still a prop plane. No jet engines. A B1-B would be an excellent choice. B-52 is not a bad choice, Jetfire just doesn't look good as a fixed wing plane.

Re: Updated Alt Modes: When, Why, and How

PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2016 6:22 pm
by Insurgent
Ya missed my joke. I said Skyfire, not Jetfire. The lack of jet in the name makes him not need jets on his alt mode. :lol:

Re: Updated Alt Modes: When, Why, and How

PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2016 12:23 am
by MGrotusque
I like your picks but i think the characters should be switched. SKyfire should be the Aardvark and Silverbolt the TSR-2.

Re: Updated Alt Modes: When, Why, and How

PostPosted: Tue Feb 09, 2016 7:48 am
by Ironhidensh
Honestly, I think both silveRbolt and Skyfire should maintain Cybertronian all forms. With space based planes, it's so much easier to make a transforming robot from.