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Kurona wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Kurona wrote: Lumping all kids together as having the same taste based on what you liked when you were their age just because they're kids is extremely silly and a tad pretentious.

But then the same could be said reversely. If these simplified non transforming (as in individual bot modes) combiners are the only option for kids, then isnt Hasbro lumping all kids together as having the same taste and not wanting more?

Except they're not the only option for kids. They're one of many options among a myriad including One/Three-steps, Team Combiners, Warriors, RC vehicles... the list goes on.
That's the entire point I was making. By not sticking exclusively to traditional transformers like Generations, Hasbro is providing for many different playstyles and many different types of kids. I'm really not sure where you got 'Crash Combiners are the only option for kids' from

And the price point isn't even that different between toy classes, so one can't make the argument that Hasbro is "forcing kids to buy certain toys because they're cheaper".

Kurona wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Kurona wrote: Lumping all kids together as having the same taste based on what you liked when you were their age just because they're kids is extremely silly and a tad pretentious.

But then the same could be said reversely. If these simplified non transforming (as in individual bot modes) combiners are the only option for kids, then isnt Hasbro lumping all kids together as having the same taste and not wanting more?

Except they're not the only option for kids. They're one of many options among a myriad including One/Three-steps, Team Combiners, Warriors, RC vehicles... the list goes on.
That's the entire point I was making. By not sticking exclusively to traditional transformers like Generations, Hasbro is providing for many different playstyles and many different types of kids. I'm really not sure where you got 'Crash Combiners are the only option for kids' from

I dont understand. The entire debate here is about the combining toy. There is no other option for an RID Combiner other than the simplified ones. Its not like there is a more complex version for kids who would preffer that, so what do you mean by having different options? Hasbro is lumping all kids together for the RID combiners. Please show me how that isnt true. We only have what is seen below and all of it is simplified:

I dont understand. The entire debate here is about the combining toy. There is no other option for an RID Combiner other than the simplified ones. Its not like there is a more complex version for kids who would preffer that, so what do you mean by having different options? Hasbro is lumping all kids together for the RID combiners. Please show me how that isnt true.

Kids can purchase and play with any toys in the Transformers lineup, same as adults. Hasbro isn't forcing anyone into anything. I think you're just trying to stir up an argument.

GuyIncognito wrote:

I dont understand. The entire debate here is about the combining toy. There is no other option for an RID Combiner other than the simplified ones. Its not like there is a more complex version for kids who would preffer that, so what do you mean by having different options? Hasbro is lumping all kids together for the RID combiners. Please show me how that isnt true.

Kids can purchase and play with any toys in the Transformers lineup, same as adults. Hasbro isn't forcing anyone into anything. I think you're just trying to stir up an argument.

No I am just saying that both sides are lumping kids all togethere and no one is right. Everyone's taste is different and right now, this is what we are dealt with.

One thing that really resonated with me at Hasbro's presentation at BotCon 2014 was the explanation they gave for Transformers becoming simpler (with Revenge of the Fallen's toyline being the benchmark here for non-simple) which was that the toys were so complicated that even parents couldn't help the kids transform them, which was hurting the brand's reputation in their minds.

As such, any time I see toys like the one-step changers or these combiners I know they're not to my taste, or the taste I would have had as a kid either, but I recognize them as important rungs in the complexity ladder for the good of the brand.

william-james88 wrote:

Kurona wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Kurona wrote: Lumping all kids together as having the same taste based on what you liked when you were their age just because they're kids is extremely silly and a tad pretentious.

But then the same could be said reversely. If these simplified non transforming (as in individual bot modes) combiners are the only option for kids, then isnt Hasbro lumping all kids together as having the same taste and not wanting more?

Except they're not the only option for kids. They're one of many options among a myriad including One/Three-steps, Team Combiners, Warriors, RC vehicles... the list goes on.
That's the entire point I was making. By not sticking exclusively to traditional transformers like Generations, Hasbro is providing for many different playstyles and many different types of kids. I'm really not sure where you got 'Crash Combiners are the only option for kids' from

I dont understand. The entire debate here is about the combining toy. There is no other option for an RID Combiner other than the simplified ones. Its not like there is a more complex version for kids who would preffer that, so what do you mean by having different options? Hasbro is lumping all kids together for the RID combiners. Please show me how that isnt true. We only have what is seen below and all of it is simplified:

I was making the point about toys in general, not combiners. I think we all know that Hasbro can't afford to make more complex combiners than the ones on show given how much sacrifice, complete line focus and cost-cutting went into Combiner Wars.

Kurona wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Kurona wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Kurona wrote: Lumping all kids together as having the same taste based on what you liked when you were their age just because they're kids is extremely silly and a tad pretentious.

But then the same could be said reversely. If these simplified non transforming (as in individual bot modes) combiners are the only option for kids, then isnt Hasbro lumping all kids together as having the same taste and not wanting more?

Except they're not the only option for kids. They're one of many options among a myriad including One/Three-steps, Team Combiners, Warriors, RC vehicles... the list goes on.
That's the entire point I was making. By not sticking exclusively to traditional transformers like Generations, Hasbro is providing for many different playstyles and many different types of kids. I'm really not sure where you got 'Crash Combiners are the only option for kids' from

I dont understand. The entire debate here is about the combining toy. There is no other option for an RID Combiner other than the simplified ones. Its not like there is a more complex version for kids who would preffer that, so what do you mean by having different options? Hasbro is lumping all kids together for the RID combiners. Please show me how that isnt true. We only have what is seen below and all of it is simplified:

I was making the point about toys in general, not combiners. I think we all know that Hasbro can't afford to make more complex combiners than the ones on show given how much sacrifice, complete line focus and cost-cutting went into Combiner Wars.

If this is the case then Hasbro needs not to make combiners. Save the budget on making the other toys better and leave combiners to the people that actually know what they're doing.

Nexus Knight wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Black Hat wrote:This is all well and good but when do we see the delicious plastic crack? I wanna see that RID Bruticus (assuming it isn't rubbish)!

It'll most certainly be garbage, along with the rest of the crash combiner line - pure trash

Gotta disagree. I convinced my younger brother to pick out Beeside and the toy is absolutely perfect for younger fans. If you're not seven to twelve, maybe they aren't for you, but "pure trash" is an inaccurate description, IMO.

Why do 7-12 year olds have to be given "trash" to play with these days? When I was that age I still liked to have good toys, and would have been completely put off by a "combiner" that apparently isn't really one.

Optimum Supreme wrote:

Nexus Knight wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Black Hat wrote:This is all well and good but when do we see the delicious plastic crack? I wanna see that RID Bruticus (assuming it isn't rubbish)!

It'll most certainly be garbage, along with the rest of the crash combiner line - pure trash

Gotta disagree. I convinced my younger brother to pick out Beeside and the toy is absolutely perfect for younger fans. If you're not seven to twelve, maybe they aren't for you, but "pure trash" is an inaccurate description, IMO.

Why do 7-12 year olds have to be given "trash" to play with these days? When I was that age I still liked to have good toys, and would have been completely put off by a "combiner" that apparently isn't really one.

First, look up at the on-going debate above. It goes into a lot of detail of how there's a lot of different types of toys for a lot of different types of people.

Second, a point that was already made, THIS IS NOT YOUR AGE. That was when you were a kid. If these are the toys that are selling and have been selling, Hasbro has no reason to stop. Kids apparently like these types of toys, and thus their tastes have changed from you were a kid.

Why do grown adults keep whining about "how much better they had it"? Who cares? If you don't like, don't buy it. Don't make it look like kids nowadays are terrible for liking different stuff.

Diem wrote:One thing that really resonated with me at Hasbro's presentation at BotCon 2014 was the explanation they gave for Transformers becoming simpler (with Revenge of the Fallen's toyline being the benchmark here for non-simple) which was that the toys were so complicated that even parents couldn't help the kids transform them, which was hurting the brand's reputation in their minds.

As such, any time I see toys like the one-step changers or these combiners I know they're not to my taste, or the taste I would have had as a kid either, but I recognize them as important rungs in the complexity ladder for the good of the brand.

I love this statement. It's absolute gold.

I grew up playing with cars that turned into articulationless bricks. Sometimes the joints couldn't hold up the diecast bodies, and the legs would break off (RIP Sludge). Some of them took a long time to transform for little hands, which really interfered with my play (why can't they transform fast like in the show?). Some of them didn't look anything like their cartoon counterparts.

Kids these days with their multiple toy lines and articulated robots and broad price points and cartoon accuracy, rassin' frassin'...

I took a closer look at the box for the dragon in the pic and the name appears to be ?o?st??? But there might be more letters before the first unknowns letter so maybe they are calling him Monstructor? Or maybe just monster but I guess we will have to wait until toy fair to find out

Optimal Megatronus wrote:I took a closer look at the box for the dragon in the pic and the name appears to be ?o?st??? But there might be more letters before the first unknowns letter so maybe they are calling him Monstructor? Or maybe just monster but I guess we will have to wait until toy fair to find out

I read Boneyard, but yeah I guess it could be Monstructor too.

Optimum Supreme wrote:
Why do 7-12 year olds have to be given "trash" to play with these days? When I was that age I still liked to have good toys, and would have been completely put off by a "combiner" that apparently isn't really one.

A. 7-12 year-olds don't have to play with RiD toys. They're allowed to buy and play with any TF toys they want, including TMs and MPs.

B. I guarantee that you, just like every other kid, spent a lot of time and had a lot of fun as a kid playing with poopy toys. Sure, I loved my Transformers (some of which were trash themselves - Jumpstarters? C'mon, those were terrible toys.), but I had just as much fun with my Go-Bots and my TF knock-offs and the cheap poopy toys we bought at the General Store downtown. Kids have remarkably low standards for toys, AS IT SHOULD BE. Stop acting like they "deserve better", like they're special snowflakes that need to be spoiled.

As a kid, I really hated poopy toys. I didnt know of the dinobots as a kid since I was more of a beast wars guy and G1 imagery was not everywhere in the 90s, as it is now. So I actually would see and get some dollar store dinobot knockoffs, like grimlock and slog, which were in cheap plastic. It was all I could afford with my allowance and I felt super cheated, even as a kid.

Although I will admit that I didnt need all the articulation toys have now to have fun. All my batman figures only had like 5 points of articulation and I didnt mind.

Optimum Supreme wrote:Why do 7-12 year olds have to be given "trash" to play with these days? When I was that age I still liked to have good toys, and would have been completely put off by a "combiner" that apparently isn't really one.

I'm going to state the truth right now besides a couple of gems G1's toys were **** they were absolute garbage but they were fun due to one thing that only children have that disappears when they become older.

Imagination.

Kids play with toys and have fun with them because they use their minds to fill in the rest.


I'm done with debates for the weekend I got new toys to see

GuyIncognito wrote:

Optimum Supreme wrote:
Why do 7-12 year olds have to be given "trash" to play with these days? When I was that age I still liked to have good toys, and would have been completely put off by a "combiner" that apparently isn't really one.

A. 7-12 year-olds don't have to play with RiD toys. They're allowed to buy and play with any TF toys they want, including TMs and MPs.

B. I guarantee that you, just like every other kid, spent a lot of time and had a lot of fun as a kid playing with poopy toys. Sure, I loved my Transformers (some of which were trash themselves - Jumpstarters? C'mon, those were terrible toys.), but I had just as much fun with my Go-Bots and my TF knock-offs and the cheap poopy toys we bought at the General Store downtown. Kids have remarkably low standards for toys, AS IT SHOULD BE. Stop acting like they "deserve better", like they're special snowflakes that need to be spoiled.

Ok so you think its totally ok to take advantage of & rip off children? Thats exactly what hasbro is doing with combiner force & RiD in general. Doesnt matter if they dont know better & only want to play with toys its still wrong. Go ahead compare the designing, plastic quality & amount of paint apps to a titans return figure or even an animated figure (another child targeted series)And tell me they are the same quality. They are not, so all these remarks about CF being "trash" is justified. And lets not forget the pricing, RiD isnt some budget brand for kids no its top dollar just like Titans returns. Why should anyone pay top dollar for an inferior product? I also dont agree with the simplification crap thats going on, children need to be challenged not coddled. Kids arent going to learn or grow their minds by making things easier, kids arent stupid they just havent learned yet. Anyone who says "oh its a kids line who cares" is just ignorant & blind to whats in front of them. I could go on but i wont cause i know it wont make a difference, fanboys are so blinded by their obsession/addiction that its pointless. I game my 2 cents now im off to play sniper elite 4, good day people

Let's also bring the thread back on track, shall we?

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Black Hat wrote:This is all well and good but when do we see the delicious plastic crack? I wanna see that RID Bruticus (assuming it isn't rubbish)!

It'll most certainly be garbage, along with the rest of the crash combiner line - pure trash

I disagree. Primestrong is a decent figure and one that I've had a lot of fun with.

That being said, I actually really like how Ultrabee looks, I actually do. and I really want that figure and can't wait to see the official reveal of it

So much hate for the team combiner. Weren't people saying it was only going to cost $35? From Hasbro's perspective I can absolutely see why they made the combiner simple. This isn't like Combiner Wars where we got so many characters for the first and probably last time. The RID combiner is the same four characters that have had dozens of figures made out of, do kids really need them all again and with bot modes that are far inferior to the Warrior class figures the kids already have? To me a simplified set at a low price point is a smarter way to actually get this into kids hands than something done in CW style that would run probably $75.

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As Seibertron himself is headed for the Hasbro press event at New York Toy Fair 2017, we have a quick shot of the display on the want to the room - featuring some already seen Barricade, Optimus Prime, Grimlock and Bumblebee toys, but also the three headed dragon figure, and a Megatron voice changer helmet! Could the dragon indeed be Megatron after all? Check out the image and let us know in the Energon Pub!7

Ha! Somehow Seibertron got close to the same angle as this pic from before:

Once again Seibertron.com is bringing you the latest / greatest news from Hasbro's New York Toy Fair Fan Media Day event. This news story will continue to be updated as information and images are revealed. Enjoy!


February 18th, 2017

Presentation starts with Ben Montano ...

Mike from Kabam did presentation for Transformers Forged To Fight
First game to bring together the complete history of the Transformers franchise.
Multiple Generations to exist in single Universe
Features G1, Beast Wars and Movie Universe characters
Showed us a pretty awesome trailer that featured characters from those 3 Generations

John Warden and Ashley did Transformers Generations presentation
Prime Wars Trilogy
Power of the Primes ... 3rd chapter debuts in 2018, going to give us one big update

GENERATIONS TITANS RETURN
Titan Master Ramhorn
Legends Class roadburn, Cosmos (reissue), Seaspray
Deluxe Wave 2 (sic) Krok, Perceptor, Topsin, Kup and Quake
Wave 3: Twintwist with Flameout, Windblade with Scorchfire
Voyager Class: Octone (sic) with Murk from Optimus mold, Blitzwing with Hazard from Megatron mold (showed us a pic of all 3 Decepticon Triplechangers together)
Leader Class Overlord with Dreadnaut

Chaos on Velocitron Collection Pack celebrates speed ability
Includes Laser Optimus Prime, Nautica, Fastlane, Quickswitch and diecast Rodimus Prime Titan Master
Prime includes G2 decal on trailer

Siege on Cybertron Collection Pack celebrates strength ability
Pounce, Metalhawk, Tidal Wave from Broadside and Magnus Prime (Ginrai from Takara Tomy), with Titan Master Thunderwing

Titan Class Trypticon - fan vote winner
Showed us an updated Titan Masters commercial featuring the latest figures and Trypticon
In a world ... where only the strongest survive! The Mighty Trypticon!
Showed us the block foam model again that they showed us at Toy Fair 2016
Showed us the design process between Hasbro and Takara Tomy
Lots of layered detail
Includes Full-Tilt with Titan Master Necro
20" tall ... huge!
Eats Titan Masters!!!
Lots of play features with Titan Masters and other figures.

Power of the Primes Sneak Peek!
Talked about the fan vote
And the next Matrix bearer is ... Star Saber was the first to fall, Ultra Magnus didn't get it, left it between Beast Wars Optimus Primal and Deathsaurus ...

which means fans voted OPTIMUS PRIMAL as the next Matrix Bearer!!!


ROBOTS IN DISGUISE
Showed us a new trailer for Robots In Disguise Combiner Force cartoon
Team Bee faces a new Decepticon threat
New threat is Menasor, showed Combiner Force Ultra Bee Combiner
Team Combiners - Wave 1: Grimlock is both legs, Drift, Bumblebee, Strongarm, Sideswipe

Menasor is made up of Motormaster, Dragstrip, Flashmark, Heatseeker, and one more
Galvatronus ... didn't get their names, made up of 5 figures


RESCUE BOTS
Optimus Prime Race Track Trailer ... over 3 feet long

TRANSFORMERS THE LAST KNIGHT
Premier Edition
Steelbane transforms into a dragon
Slug with new deco
Slash
Strafe
Voyager Class Grimlock
Brand new Voyager Class Scorn, very detailed
Premier Edition Deluxe: Bumblebee, looks amazing, new sculpt, black and red Drift, Crosshairs, new Voyager Megatron as jet, new Voyager Hound (vehicle mode is different than what we've seen, some type of Mercedes truck/vehicle)
Leader Class Megatron (jet mode) looks amazing! Lots of great detail, Cybertronian scribblings
Deluxe Sqweeks, looks really cute!

Allspark Tech (kiddie toys)
Allspark Tech Optimus Prime is brought to life with Allspark Cube
Allspark Cube knows which mode you are in, 20+ motion activated lights + sfx, Allspark Cube powers figure
Bumblebee, Drift, Hound, and Barricade
Giant transforming figure: dragon! Unleash Dragonstorm Mega Turbo Changer
Cyberfire reveals hidden messages

10th Anniversary of the Transformers Movie franchise
Global launch event
April 24th will be the day when transformers The Last Knight product officially hits the shelves. Reveal Your Shield campaign! Something new on Snapchat today

Show your alliance and Reveal your shield during 5 days of reveals, news and (something else ...)

That's it for now!

On to Marvel!!!

Guardians of the Galaxy (Transformers related)

and speaking of which, Guardians of the Galaxy 6" Wave 2: Death's Head 2

Btw what's Kickback doing there? are we getting another new one or is it just the TR Legends one?

Just a heads up ... Death's Head 2 in Marvel Guardians of the Galaxy 6" Legends line!!!

Stuartmaximus wrote:Btw what's Kickback doing there? are we getting another new one or is it just the TR Legends one?

It's just the Titans Return Legends one. Those figures with the Megatron helmet and Dragonstorm were in a display cube next to the check-in desk where we received our badges.