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ok, now you are just being hurtful, for the sake of being mean .

That extra bulk actually makes Starscream look quite formidable.

Maybe I can talk myself into believing this is that powered up Starscream from the Underbase comic saga. Gotta check to see how big that guy's feet were in the comic.

King Kuuga wrote:

bacem wrote:i don't think partsforming is avoidable for omega supreme. i mean, his alt more is practically 4 things: a track, a tank, a rocket, and a rocket docking. askingomega supreme to not split apart would be like asking overlord to not separate into a jet and a tank.

See, that's my point. It's time to update Omega so he's not a jumble of parts that can either form a battle station or a robot. Make him some singular thing, or at least fewer things so you can get more transforming play value that isn't just reassembling disparate parts and maybe turning his head around. Overlord works because he's only two components. Omega could be 3 parts:: the wings make a track, his arms make the rocket, and the rest makes a tank or platform. Or they could ditch the wings completely and let him be a two-parter like Overlord. Or they could make him a giant spaceship like the Animated or WFC versions. Or they could do a giant battle train like Energon. There are options, and if anybody's going to not be beholden to how he worked in G1, it's this guy.

Which is why I think the Sky Shadow remold works. G1 is awesome. But I think it's time to see other areas of fiction get updates.







Maybe just go one-step up and re-do the legs/tank so that it can combine better with the jet and hold more Titan/Prime Masters.



You end up with a jet that can haul multiple passengers and also doesn't leave behind pieces, a base mode similar enough to G1, and a robot mode that refreshes the character.

o.supreme wrote:But see, any of those *updates* you are suggesting would no longer make him Omega Supreme. I don't see why parts forming is a bad thing anyway. Besides FT Terminus Giganticus has much more transforming than I ever thought could be done. I said earlier I seriously doubt Hasbro could do such a thing, but it would be awesome. If a Generatons rendition of Omega Supreme is to be made, he should resemble his original self in both modes, otherwise he is NOT Omega Supreme.

If they call him Omega Supreme and he looks like Omega Supreme, he's Omega Supreme. I care less about his alt mode as long as it makes sense for the character than I do about the robot mode looking good, but I also want a good toy out of it. A Transformer whose transformation is a 90% taking panels off and putting them back together in new orientations is not a good toy.

King Kuuga wrote:

o.supreme wrote:But see, any of those *updates* you are suggesting would no longer make him Omega Supreme. I don't see why parts forming is a bad thing anyway. Besides FT Terminus Giganticus has much more transforming than I ever thought could be done. I said earlier I seriously doubt Hasbro could do such a thing, but it would be awesome. If a Generatons rendition of Omega Supreme is to be made, he should resemble his original self in both modes, otherwise he is NOT Omega Supreme.

If they call him Omega Supreme and he looks like Omega Supreme, he's Omega Supreme. I care less about his alt mode as long as it makes sense for the character than I do about the robot mode looking good, but I also want a good toy out of it. A Transformer whose transformation is a 90% taking panels off and putting them back together in new orientations is not a good toy.

To me, it's the evolution. Honestly, I wouldn't want a parts-former just because the G1 Omega Supreme was a parts-former. It's 2017. We have the engineering to do better. Give him the look and feel of G1, add some characteristics from Animated.

It's sort of like how since Animated, Ultra Magnus has to have a hammer as a weapon now.

Yeah, the design for this toy was NOT by the Transformers (or Diaclone, etc.) teams. It was by ToyBox called Mechabot 1. That's why the design is so different — and the explanation for him parts forming instead of transforming.

The Takara/Hasbro teams can do a lot better than that now. Placing my faith in them for an awesome new toy with very little parts forming.

King Kuuga wrote:If they call him Omega Supreme and he looks like Omega Supreme, he's Omega Supreme. I care less about his alt mode as long as it makes sense for the character than I do about the robot mode looking good, but I also want a good toy out of it. A Transformer whose transformation is a 90% taking panels off and putting them back together in new orientations is not a good toy.

Again, that's Your opinion. But none of those things you describe would make him LOOK Like Omega Supreme. The Fan made Sky Shadow looks cool, but it doesn't look like, and is not, Omega Supreme. None of the other Generaitons characters have had radically as drastic changes, I don't know why Omega Supreme should be an exception.

If you want to make an argument for Tablet (formerly cassette bots), fine. I am not as big a fan of them, but if a Hardcore Soundwave/Blaster fan is not pleased with the changes, I would not find their opinion invalid.

And again, While I don't mind Parts forming. I can take it or leave it. FT Version is amazing and has a ton of transformation while keeping it faithful to the original.

I'm with o.supreme. If I'm going to buy a generations Omega Supreme I want him to actually LOOK like Omega Supreme. I never liked the practice of "updating" figures by giving them different designs or alt modes. Their design is what makes them who they are. I mean just look at the new Optimus Primal that's coming out. How much belly aching was there because he won't turn into a gorilla? Just because the G1 designs are old doesn't mean they need to be replaced.

o.supreme wrote:

King Kuuga wrote:If they call him Omega Supreme and he looks like Omega Supreme, he's Omega Supreme. I care less about his alt mode as long as it makes sense for the character than I do about the robot mode looking good, but I also want a good toy out of it. A Transformer whose transformation is a 90% taking panels off and putting them back together in new orientations is not a good toy.

Again, that's Your opinion. But none of those things you describe would make him LOOK Like Omega Supreme. The Fan made Sky Shadow looks cool, but it doesn't look like, and is not, Omega Supreme. None of the other Generaitons characters have had radically as drastic changes, I don't know why Omega Supreme should be an exception.

If you want to make an argument for Tablet (formerly cassette bots), fine. I am not as big a fan of them, but if a Hardcore Soundwave/Blaster fan is not pleased with the changes, I would not find their opinion invalid.

And again, While I don't mind Parts forming. I can take it or leave it. FT Version is amazing and has a ton of transformation while keeping it faithful to the original.

Generations has made radically drastic changes to G1 characters. We have Megatrons that don't turn into guns. We have triple changers released with two modes instead of three. We have characters that weren't triple changers with updated to be triple changers. We have characters that weren't combiners that can now combine. We have characters that weren't Headmasters that now have Titan Master partners. We will soon have a Dinobot Combiner when, in my opinion, one of the best things about the G1 Dinobot team is that they didn't need to be a Combiner to go up against the likes of Devastator and other Decepticon Combiners.

At the end of the day though, whatever Hasbro or Takara releases as Omega Supreme is Omega Supreme. It doesn't matter if you, or I, or anyone else that disagrees with the Hasbro/Takara decision. You do not determine who is and isn't Omega Supreme for anyone else but yourself. Your headcannon isn't cannon but that doesn't stop you from making Terminus Giganticus your Omega Supreme.

william-james88 wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:No shots of Screamer in torso mode? If (big IF) I do get him, he'll be strictly torso. Both the bot and the plane modes look like sh*t.

Agreed, I cant believe I am passing on 2 voyagers in this line so far.

And here is how his torso mode will look like. While he is the small torso on the left, it is basically the same as Elita 1 with a few aesthetic changes.

Can't wait to see photos of the Ghost Starscream headmaster from the Legends Octane placed in there. Ghost Starscream gets a body!

Rysquad wrote:We have Megatrons that don't turn into guns.

Which I don't care for, and don't own.

Rysquad wrote: We have triple changers released with two modes instead of three.

Never heard of this. If I saw one, however I would not purchase it.

Rysquad wrote:At the end of the day though, whatever Hasbro or Takara releases as Omega Supreme is Omega Supreme. It doesn't matter if you, or I, or anyone else that disagrees with the Hasbro/Takara decision. You do not determine who is and isn't Omega Supreme. Your headcannon isn't cannon but that doesn't stop you from making Terminus Giganticus your Omega Supreme.

It appears what you want is a NEW character, a NEW Omega Supreme, and that's fine. If Hasbro decides to develop one for Cybermissions, or the Live Action Movies, or at any point in the future for any of their new brand,. That is fine. Make all the new versions in new continuities you want.

However, None of us can foresee the future, but I'm pretty sure based on as you say, this current design team, we would not see a Generations Omega Supreme that was not faithful to the original. If by some engineering miracle they could make the original Base Mode fully Transformable to look like its original Robot Self that would be amazing...I don't think its possible, but hey, I'm not a toy engineer. I'm pretty sure we wont be seeing one for a while. I bet the Hasbro design team is really glad Trypticon won the fan vote in 2016.(I voted for Tryp by the way...while Omega is my favorite character, I would have liked him as a toy last of those 3 simply because of the feasibility discussion we are having now). My gut tells me 2019 will be Scorponok, or maybe we wont have any titans at all...who knows.

ok we must all be Omega'd out with all this conversation by now

So....

what about Scorponok?(& I don't mean that TM that came with Grotusque)

I don't see anyone doing a Leader Class digibash of him

Stuartmaximus wrote:ok we must all be Omega'd out with all this conversation by now

So....

what about Scorponok?(& I don't mean that TM that came with Grotusque)

I don't see anyone doing a Leader Class digibash of him

Probably a bit more divisive, kind of like Fortress Maximus. You have comic book fans who would love a leader class sized Scorponok, then you have animation fans who would prefer a Titan Class figure...going to be hard to please the majority on that one since its so split.

I feel sorry for the Hasbro design team on that one...

o.supreme wrote:

Rysquad wrote:We have Megatrons that don't turn into guns.

Which I don't care for, and don't own.

Which is fine. Doesn't change the fact that it's a drastic change from the original.

o.supreme wrote:

Rysquad wrote: We have triple changers released with two modes instead of three.

Never heard of this. If I saw one, however I would not purchase it.

There were Generations Springer and Sandstorm figures that weren't triple changers.

o.supreme wrote:

Rysquad wrote:At the end of the day though, whatever Hasbro or Takara releases as Omega Supreme is Omega Supreme. It doesn't matter if you, or I, or anyone else that disagrees with the Hasbro/Takara decision. You do not determine who is and isn't Omega Supreme. Your headcannon isn't cannon but that doesn't stop you from making Terminus Giganticus your Omega Supreme.

It appears what you want is a NEW character, a NEW Omega Supreme, and that's fine. If Hasbro decides to develop one for Cybermissions, or the Live Action Movies, or at any point in the future for any of their new brand,. That is fine. Make all the new versions in new continuities you want.

However, None of us can foresee the future, but I'm pretty sure based on as you say, this current design team, we would not see a Generations Omega Supreme that was not faithful to the original. If by some engineering miracle they could make the original Base Mode fully Transformable to look like its original Robot Self that would be amazing...I don't think its possible, but hey, I'm not a toy engineer. I'm pretty sure we wont be seeing one for a while. I bet the Hasbro design team is really glad Trypticon won the fan vote in 2016.(I voted for Tryp by the way...while Omega is my favorite character, I would have liked him as a toy last of those 3 simply because of the feasibility discussion we are having now). My gut tells me 2019 will be Scorponok, or maybe we wont have any titans at all...who knows.

It appears what you want is the OLD character, the OLD Omega Supreme, and that's fine. You can pick one up on eBay and keep that (but I'd already assume you would have one already). Keep the original as your Omega Supreme.

Stuartmaximus wrote:ok we must all be Omega'd out with all this conversation by now

So....

what about Scorponok?(& I don't mean that TM that came with Grotusque)

I don't see anyone doing a Leader Class digibash of him

Going up to Titans Class, I could see them retooling the Metroplex/Fortress Maximus mold even further - just like they did with Combiner Wars Ultra Magnus to Powermaster Optimus Prime. Retool or even just redeco Full-Tilt into Fasttrack and it'll be done.

At the Leader Class, an extensive retool of the Six Shot mold could possibly work. Just looking at the "tank" mode for Sixshot, have the arms come forward, change the hands to claws, and have a Lord Zarak Titan Master.

I know I'm alone on this but I truly think that Raiden will be the Titan class figure to end the prime wars trilogy. I know it seems like a long shot, maybe even impossible but I think it would make sense.

Prime wars trilogy is the first big toy event that Hasbro has done since the Unicron trilogy so I definitely think that they'll end it with a Titan. Scorponok and Omega don't fit the gimmick of this line and can't really be made to include it like Trypticon was with Full Tilt. But Raiden would. He's a 6 bot combiner that wouldn't work with the standard CW/POTP system and he's the rival of both Devastator and Predaking. He's the only Autobot combiner that would work at Titan class besides Landcross but his rival dinoking is most likely going to be normal combiner scale.

"But he's so obscure" while true he's definitely marketable:
1) He's an Autobot and "good guys sell"
2) He's 6 different characters and a combiner
3) He's made of trains. Everybody loves trains.

I know this was long and out of nowhere but I've been sitting on this thought for a while and finally decided to post it

steals_your_goats wrote:I know I'm alone on this but I truly think that Raiden will be the Titan class figure to end the prime wars trilogy. I know it seems like a long shot, maybe even impossible but I think it would make sense.

Prime wars trilogy is the first big toy event that Hasbro has done since the Unicron trilogy so I definitely think that they'll end it with a Titan. Scorponok and Omega don't fit the gimmick of this line and can't really be made to include it like Trypticon was with Full Tilt. But Raiden would. He's a 6 bot combiner that wouldn't work with the standard CW/POTP system and he's the rival of both Devastator and Predaking. He's the only Autobot combiner that would work at Titan class besides Landcross but his rival dinoking is most likely going to be normal combiner scale.

"But he's so obscure" while true he's definitely marketable:
1) He's an Autobot and "good guys sell"
2) He's 6 different characters and a combiner
3) He's made of trains. Everybody loves trains.

I know this was long and out of nowhere but I've been sitting on this thought for a while and finally decided to post it

I would absolutely love this, as a compliment for Devastator, and I'vre always liked the character of raiden since I've known about him...but your point #3...While *I* think trains are cool. Hasbro only seems to think people in Japan like trains.

o.supreme wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:I know I'm alone on this but I truly think that Raiden will be the Titan class figure to end the prime wars trilogy. I know it seems like a long shot, maybe even impossible but I think it would make sense.

Prime wars trilogy is the first big toy event that Hasbro has done since the Unicron trilogy so I definitely think that they'll end it with a Titan. Scorponok and Omega don't fit the gimmick of this line and can't really be made to include it like Trypticon was with Full Tilt. But Raiden would. He's a 6 bot combiner that wouldn't work with the standard CW/POTP system and he's the rival of both Devastator and Predaking. He's the only Autobot combiner that would work at Titan class besides Landcross but his rival dinoking is most likely going to be normal combiner scale.

"But he's so obscure" while true he's definitely marketable:
1) He's an Autobot and "good guys sell"
2) He's 6 different characters and a combiner
3) He's made of trains. Everybody loves trains.

I know this was long and out of nowhere but I've been sitting on this thought for a while and finally decided to post it

I would absolutely love this, as a compliment for Devastator, and I'vre always liked the character of raiden since I've known about him...but your point #3...While *I* think trains are cool. Hasbro only seems to think people in Japan like trains.

I think a lot of children enjoy trains. At least I did when I was a kid. I don't expect this to actually happen but I think it would make a tonne of sense

Rysquad wrote:It appears what you want is the OLD character, the OLD Omega Supreme,

Which is what Generations IS...

Rysquad wrote:You can pick one up on eBay and keep that (but I'd already assume you would have one already). Keep the original as your Omega Supreme.

I had one as a kid. I kept it until I sold my entire collection in 2007. I have no desire to go back and try to reclaim all the previous Transformers I sold.

steals_your_goats wrote:I know I'm alone on this but I truly think that Raiden will be the Titan class figure to end the prime wars trilogy. I know it seems like a long shot, maybe even impossible but I think it would make sense.

Prime wars trilogy is the first big toy event that Hasbro has done since the Unicron trilogy so I definitely think that they'll end it with a Titan. Scorponok and Omega don't fit the gimmick of this line and can't really be made to include it like Trypticon was with Full Tilt. But Raiden would. He's a 6 bot combiner that wouldn't work with the standard CW/POTP system and he's the rival of both Devastator and Predaking. He's the only Autobot combiner that would work at Titan class besides Landcross but his rival dinoking is most likely going to be normal combiner scale.

"But he's so obscure" while true he's definitely marketable:
1) He's an Autobot and "good guys sell"
2) He's 6 different characters and a combiner
3) He's made of trains. Everybody loves trains.

I know this was long and out of nowhere but I've been sitting on this thought for a while and finally decided to post it

If there was a Takara exclusive mold, I could see this happening. It would be nice to have the Autobots get a Titan Class Combiner.

Rysquad wrote:There were Generations Springer and Sandstorm figures that weren't triple changers.

weren't they I could've sworn they had 3 modes

Stuartmaximus wrote:

Rysquad wrote:There were Generations Springer and Sandstorm figures that weren't triple changers.

weren't they I could've sworn they had 3 modes

I believe he's talking about the GDO ones

o.supreme wrote:

Rysquad wrote:It appears what you want is the OLD character, the OLD Omega Supreme,

Which is what Generations IS...

But in your case, if it isn't Titan Class, doesn't have a track, doesn't have a tank on the track, and doesn't do parts-forming, it can't really be Omega Supreme.

We have a Laser Prime that turns into an airplane instead of having a weapons trailer. He's still Laser Prime.

We have a Ramhorn that doesn't turn into a cassette (or tablet) to fit into Blaster. He's still Ramhorn.

We have a Powerglide that turns into a weapon for Superion. He's still Powerglide.

We have a Sky Lynx that doesn't have separate bird and lynx modes. He's still Sky Lynx.

What you feel like Generations IS isn't really what Generations is. We're getting updates to previous characters. We're getting updated play patterns. We're getting characters incorporated into play patterns they didn't have before. It's OK if a new Omega Supreme isn't as "faithful" to the original as you want it to be.

I get it. Omega Supreme is your all-time favorite. If we get a new Omega Supreme figure, you want him to be faithful to the original. You want to him to look like the original Omega Supreme. You want him to play like the original Omega Supreme. That's OK.

But it's OK for others to think redecos are OK. It's OK for Omega Supreme to not be a Titans Class figure. Personally, I think we'll get one eventually just because he was in the poll.

I'd be interested in any update to Omega Supreme -- I'm sad I missed out on his Year of the Snake figure.

I'm really wondering who the rest of the Prime/Pretender Masters will be -- we don't know who's representing Primus after all!