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TF-fan kev777 wrote:

Notsofriendly wrote:I'm a little behind on news it seems. Is Wave 4 of Power of the Primes really the final wave?

Yes Wave 4 is the final wave. Novastar is the only new deluxe. No new Leader Class figure. Unknown on the Voyager, Legend and Prime Master classes yet, but doubtful there too.

Any reason you guys think Hasbro won't announce another wave at SDCC? With Wave 3 due to come out any week here, it seems highly likely to me that there should be at least one more wave due to be announced for SDCC. I can't imagine that they'll release POTP Predaking in August and not have other new POTP products at retail for September, October and November prior to the 2019 release of the "War for Cybertron" toys, if I understand the timeline correctly.

william-james88 wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:Yes, Grotusque is a Titans Return release. He even game with Titan Master Scorponok. The headline will be revised later, I'm sure.

The headline needs to be revised?

Well, not any more, you cheeky sneak!

Seibertron wrote:

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

Notsofriendly wrote:I'm a little behind on news it seems. Is Wave 4 of Power of the Primes really the final wave?

Yes Wave 4 is the final wave. Novastar is the only new deluxe. No new Leader Class figure. Unknown on the Voyager, Legend and Prime Master classes yet, but doubtful there too.

Any reason you guys think Hasbro won't announce another wave at SDCC? With Wave 3 due to come out any week here, it seems highly likely to me that there should be at least one more wave due to be announced for SDCC. I can't imagine that they'll release POTP Predaking in August and not have other new POTP products at retail for September, October and November prior to the 2019 release of the "War for Cybertron" toys, if I understand the timeline correctly.

Warden stated in the mass interview panel Megatronus was at that none of the price points have more than 4 waves this go around. He did say there was more stuff to announce, but mostly exclusives, maybe some Votager goodies.

Flashwave wrote:Warden stated in the mass interview panel Megatronus was at that none of the price points have more than 4 waves this go around. He did say there was more stuff to announce, but mostly exclusives, maybe some Votager goodies.

Megatronus was my partner-in-crime that day for Seibertron.com.

I still think that there's another wave or something coming down the pipes, unless they're going to release the War for Cybertron figures earlier than they normally do.

I've been bummed out by so many products in the Power of the Primes line that I can't wait to move on to the next line, which is such a change from the previous 2 lines where I was really amazed with most of Combiner Wars and most (in italics) of Titans Return (which had a few notable disappointments like Galvatron where the Headmaster gimmick ruined the head of the toy, as well as Soundwave's head which just turned out extremely goofy looking). I really hope Hasbro has some amazing things lined up for us going forward to help ease my many frustrations with the Power of the Primes line.

I want to believe that they've been putting a lot of thought into the next series of lines to try and avoid any disappointment with the line. I think at sdcc, theyll hit us with the first images from the line and more details about the mirage and impactor we voted for.

Australian collectors, the day has arrived! At least partially. Via Ozformers user 1azrael1, we have word that the second wave of Power of the Primes Legends have turned up at Australian mass retail! This is the wave that includes Tailgate, Battleslash and Roadtrap, and have been found at a Kmart in Penrith. Hopefully it also means that Wave 2 of the other size classes aren't far away from appearing down under, either. Check out the sighting on Ozformers' Facebook page here!

And speaking of which, here's a little bonus tidbit, which doesn't necessarily mean anything just yet but is still worth noting. Big W's website is now using images of Wave 2 figures on their online listings for "assorted Voyager" and "assorted Legends" toys. Whether this means they're getting them in soon or not, who can tell, but now may be the time to cross your fingers!

If you spot one of these 'bots (or any other figures) around stores near you, why not add it in our sightings section to help out fellow collectors? And as always, remember to stay tuned to Seibertron.com for more news and sightings!

Huzzah! I for one cannot wait for these to show up around my way! Only two more months!

Burn wrote:Huzzah! I for one cannot wait for these to show up around my way! Only two more months!

Two months

I can't make my mind up if that's better or worse than the UK...

Burn wrote:Huzzah! I for one cannot wait for these to show up around my way! Only two more months!

That reminds me - how's Wave 1 treatin' ya?

It's weird, I'm so used to grouching about those dang early-toy-getting dang city slickers, but since the last wave appeared I've become one of the dang city slickers. It's quite the conflict, let me tell you.

Seibertron wrote:

Burn wrote:Hasbro dropped the ball on Pretenders.

I want Pretenders done right! Or at least a new common "theme" for them where the "inner" robots can become armor for the action figure "shell" instead of actually being a robot that goes in a shell. I have faith that Hasbro can figure out how to do Pretenders right again with modern toy technology.

I'm half with you. I agree as updates to the Pretenders, the Prime Masters are teh suck. As fun little cheap mini-figures though, I think they're kinda cool. I agree 100% we need new figures of the Pretenders that actually have articulation, even if they're just "regular" TFs with the TR gimmick (especially my boi Skullgrin) but as toys I think the Prime Masters are kinda interesting. But then I think of the Prime Master as a little sentient Matrix, with the shells as nothing more than an idol/sarcophagus that contains them.

Black Hat wrote:

Seibertron wrote:

Burn wrote:Hasbro dropped the ball on Pretenders.

I want Pretenders done right! Or at least a new common "theme" for them where the "inner" robots can become armor for the action figure "shell" instead of actually being a robot that goes in a shell. I have faith that Hasbro can figure out how to do Pretenders right again with modern toy technology.

I'm half with you. I agree as updates to the Pretenders, the Prime Masters are teh suck. As fun little cheap mini-figures though, I think they're kinda cool. I agree 100% we need new figures of the Pretenders that actually have articulation, even if they're just "regular" TFs with the TR gimmick (especially my boi Skullgrin) but as toys I think the Prime Masters are kinda interesting. But then I think of the Prime Master as a little sentient Matrix, with the shells as nothing more than an idol/sarcophagus that contains them.

I don't mind the little mini Pretenders. I think they solve the whole scale problem since Pretenders were supposed to be able to blend in with humans and the like.

While I would've loved large scale shells, I don't think HasTak could've pulled it off with the shortcuts they've been taking to the figures. Maybe back in 2010.

I would've been perfectly happy with deluxe sized headmaster(titan master) figures who came with the little shells for the head robot to hide in which would've even made since from a fiction point of view. I wouldn't have even minded a number of repaints. Remember how many people were hoping for the Bludgeon/Hardhead repaint? I'm sure a few of the other Titans Returns figures could been utilized.

Sadly, even that seemed too much for the budget. They should've just keep the small figures as Pretender characters. Trying to also fit the 13 in there was too much and sloppy.

Seibertron wrote:

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

Notsofriendly wrote:I'm a little behind on news it seems. Is Wave 4 of Power of the Primes really the final wave?

Yes Wave 4 is the final wave. Novastar is the only new deluxe. No new Leader Class figure. Unknown on the Voyager, Legend and Prime Master classes yet, but doubtful there too.

Any reason you guys think Hasbro won't announce another wave at SDCC? With Wave 3 due to come out any week here, it seems highly likely to me that there should be at least one more wave due to be announced for SDCC. I can't imagine that they'll release POTP Predaking in August and not have other new POTP products at retail for September, October and November prior to the 2019 release of the "War for Cybertron" toys, if I understand the timeline correctly.

I'd love to share your optimism, but waves 1-4 of Power of the Primes is matching up way too much with waves 3-6 of Titans Return for me to buy in. I'd rather expect the worst and be pleasantly surprised than have any hopes crushed (again). In fact, last year at SDCC is when they pretty much confirmed that Titans Return was going out with a whimper with only 1 new figure in the final wave. I expect more of the same from them.

The pretenders could of been better with more articulation yes but deluxe sized pretenders are stupid.

Not for the characters themselves but as Pretenders, how can they disguise themselves as humans when their gigantic?

Making them deluxe sized would of repeated the whole failure of the original Pretenders.

The deluxe Metalhawk from TR is great but it's not a pretender at all.

RiddlerJ wrote:

Black Hat wrote:

Seibertron wrote:

Burn wrote:Hasbro dropped the ball on Pretenders.

I want Pretenders done right! Or at least a new common "theme" for them where the "inner" robots can become armor for the action figure "shell" instead of actually being a robot that goes in a shell. I have faith that Hasbro can figure out how to do Pretenders right again with modern toy technology.

I'm half with you. I agree as updates to the Pretenders, the Prime Masters are teh suck. As fun little cheap mini-figures though, I think they're kinda cool. I agree 100% we need new figures of the Pretenders that actually have articulation, even if they're just "regular" TFs with the TR gimmick (especially my boi Skullgrin) but as toys I think the Prime Masters are kinda interesting. But then I think of the Prime Master as a little sentient Matrix, with the shells as nothing more than an idol/sarcophagus that contains them.

I don't mind the little mini Pretenders. I think they solve the whole scale problem since Pretenders were supposed to be able to blend in with humans and the like.

While I would've loved large scale shells, I don't think HasTak could've pulled it off with the shortcuts they've been taking to the figures. Maybe back in 2010.

I would've been perfectly happy with deluxe sized headmaster(titan master) figures who came with the little shells for the head robot to hide in which would've even made since from a fiction point of view. I wouldn't have even minded a number of repaints. Remember how many people were hoping for the Bludgeon/Hardhead repaint? I'm sure a few of the other Titans Returns figures could been utilized.

Sadly, even that seemed too much for the budget. They should've just keep the small figures as Pretender characters. Trying to also fit the 13 in there was too much and sloppy.

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This approach may have been the best as things stand and would have meant the big bot came with a weapon. Though evolving the idea further, imagine if they found a way to make the shells more articulated to get them to interact with the bigger bot in vehicle mode.

Though Hasbro would have my money if they went all in on the Pretenders (I blame bodrock and his thread)

I like the Pretender Masters for what they are, but would also prefer HasTak go all in on really taking the concept further.....or at least to modern standards (with articulation lol).As it is, they are perfectly scaled for humanoids, but I also see them as sentient matrices with shells, much like Black Hat.

That said, I gotta have that Baby Bludgeon, so he can be held by RotF Bludgeon. I've pretty much given up on finding the g1 original for a good deal (no way I'm paying $100+!)....I'd pay that for a Masterpiece, however.

I have the Titans Return deluxe Metalhawk and paired him with the Power of the Primes "Vector Prime" Prime Master. I agree that a great way to have done pretenders would have been to have done new updated versions of the inner robots with removable heads that become Titan Masters that then fit inside the decoy armor shells when not riding around in their "transtector's" vehicle mode. You can emulate this idea with the figures I mentioned above, and it really works pretty well, especially when the shell itself can convert into a weapon for the robot mode to hold. All the pieces are there, but Hasbro and Takara just didn't put them together that way.

Wolfman Jake wrote:I have the Titans Return deluxe Metalhawk and paired him with the Power of the Primes "Vector Prime" Prime Master. I agree that a great way to have done pretenders would have been to have done new updated versions of the inner robots with removable heads that become Titan Masters that then fit inside the decoy armor shells when not riding around in their "transtector's" vehicle mode. You can emulate this idea with the figures I mentioned above, and it really works pretty well, especially when the shell itself can convert into a weapon for the robot mode to hold. All the pieces are there, but Hasbro and Takara just didn't put them together that way.

And that's basically what Legends Grand Maximus was gonna be like had his Pretender shell got to have been included.

Sabrblade wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:I have the Titans Return deluxe Metalhawk and paired him with the Power of the Primes "Vector Prime" Prime Master. I agree that a great way to have done pretenders would have been to have done new updated versions of the inner robots with removable heads that become Titan Masters that then fit inside the decoy armor shells when not riding around in their "transtector's" vehicle mode. You can emulate this idea with the figures I mentioned above, and it really works pretty well, especially when the shell itself can convert into a weapon for the robot mode to hold. All the pieces are there, but Hasbro and Takara just didn't put them together that way.

And that's basically what Legends Grand Maximus was gonna be like had his Pretender shell got to have been included.

That still saddens me. It would have put Grand Maximus over the top from a great exclusive to a MUST HAVE. Maybe Takara will figure out another way to get Grand's pretender shell out there.

Qwan wrote:

Burn wrote:Huzzah! I for one cannot wait for these to show up around my way! Only two more months!

That reminds me - how's Wave 1 treatin' ya?

It's weird, I'm so used to grouching about those dang early-toy-getting dang city slickers, but since the last wave appeared I've become one of the dang city slickers. It's quite the conflict, let me tell you.

What ones I've been able to find, I haven't been able to afford.

K-Mart and Targets new inflated prices are almost pricing me out of collecting.

Burn wrote:

Qwan wrote:

Burn wrote:Huzzah! I for one cannot wait for these to show up around my way! Only two more months!

That reminds me - how's Wave 1 treatin' ya?

It's weird, I'm so used to grouching about those dang early-toy-getting dang city slickers, but since the last wave appeared I've become one of the dang city slickers. It's quite the conflict, let me tell you.

What ones I've been able to find, I haven't been able to afford.

K-Mart and Targets new inflated prices are almost pricing me out of collecting.

Is that similar to the price hike we canuks also got, with $40 AUD for voyagers and $70 AUD for leaders?

$35AUD for Deluxes, no idea about Voyagers or Leaders as I haven't even seen them.
I'll probably just end up ordering them through HLJ. Works out roughly the same.

Burn wrote:$35AUD for Deluxes, no idea about Voyagers or Leaders as I haven't even seen them.
I'll probably just end up ordering them through HLJ. Works out roughly the same.

So far I've seen Voyagers and Leaders remaining at $50 and ~$90 respectively, pretty much everywhere. But ugh, $35 for Deluxes is just awful and it's making it hard for me to justify picking any of them up either . At this point buying two Deluxes in most stores is the same price as both a Voyager and a Legends, or three the same as a Leader and a Prime Master with $5 left over!

I think it's literally just Big W that's pricing Deluxes at the slightly more reasonable $30 now. At least that's in line with CW Deluxes which these basically are, even if it's still painful parting with that much for a single Jazz/Dreadwind/etc.

Speaking of Legends though, it sounds like a bunch of Kmarts are getting the Wave 2 Legends now. I guess I'll do a brief sweep of the ones near me today, but I'm not super optimistic just yet. Fingers crossed though.

eeesh, that is just not affordable (to me at least)

william-james88 wrote:eeesh, that is just not affordable (to me at least)

It really isn't. Aside from the Wave 1 Prime Masters I've only gotten Beachcomber, Skrapnel, Swoop and Slag, and I only got the last two because I managed to hit up a Big W (the closest of which is an hour away) when they were on special.

Burn wrote:$35AUD for Deluxes

*does a quick currency conversion*

HOLY SMOKES! For a Deluxe?!?!? That's OUTRAGEOUS!