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Funny, Pulse listed him correctly.

If amazon put that price up, I'm curious, but I already ordered them through Target with that BOGO coupon, and I don't really want to cancel.

Ugh, now I'm worried after hearing this about Target

ZeroWolf wrote:The mistake must have come through at Hasbro level then if both Amazon and target listed at that price

I don't think so, I think amazon just price matched Targets price since Amazons is shown has being 50 but marked down to 30. While Targets is just straight 30. Overall I am happy to get overload for 30!

Couple of things here:

first up, I also pre-ordered Overload through amazon in case the Target thing doesn't work out with the stories I've heard.

Also thought about and will list when the waves are coming out:

Wave 1 2020 (out now): DotM Soundwave, WWII Hot Rod, Arcee pack, Bumblebee, Movie 1 Megatron, Mixmaster, Scavenger, Shockwave

Wave 2 2020 (April-ish release): Jeep Bee, Roadbuster, Shatter, Sentinel Prime, Scrapper

Wave 3 2020 (September-ish release): RotF Soundwave, Topspin, Cliffjumper, Skipjack, Blitzwing, Overload

Potential Exclusives: Leadfoot (I would guess a Summer time release)

Rodimus Prime wrote:Well, I guess I'll be the turd in the punch bowl and say that I don't like Sentinel. That character deserves a leader class figure. This voyager seems too small and simple. The only things I like are the sharp red and that he has a movie-accurate chest. That's the only thing missing on the DoTM leader figure.

It doesn't look as small and simple as the 2011 Voyager. The problem with making Sentinel a Leader-class in this line is that Optimus is a Voyager in this line, so Sentinel would end up dwarfing him. Sentinel is taller than Optimus in the film, but not to Grindor levels. Mind you, that does still make him a pass for me, because the ROTF Leader Optimus is still my primary movieverse Optimus... The scale shift has made a lot of Studio Series a pass for me.

Rodimus Prime wrote:I never started collecting the Constructicons either, because I think that Devastator is a hideous mess.

In fairness, ROTF Devastator is supposed to be hideous. Paramounts demands for some level of physics realism ruled out a humanoid design, so the designers purposely went for a horrifically ugly animalistic nightmare mashup monstrosity.

I am interested in the Constructicons. It helps that I like them even just as Movicon rank-swellers, and that some of them have size increases or other improvements compared to their ROTF toys (and others like Overload never got full-size toys at all). I would have been interested even without the Devastator combo. Well, except with regards to Long Haul.

Rodimus Prime wrote:Blitzwing will be a pass, as much like Shockwave and Megatron in DoTM, he was horribly mistreated in the Bee movie. He should have been the main villain instead of 2 no-names.

I disagree with you about Megatron in DotM. It's still his villainy that ultimately drives the plot. Sentinel taking the reins makes sense because Megs is still reeling from his injuries at the end of ROTF while Sentinel is fresh as a daisy after a jolt from the Matrix, which impacts the balance of power between them. Megatron does take his own back when he realizes what's happened, and he and Optimus have what amounts to a decent final throwdown if you take into account that they're both cripples at that point. IMO Megatron gets a better deal in DotM than he does in, say, the Marvel comics.

He said the Bee movie not DOTM.

Sabrblade wrote:He said the Bee movie not DOTM.

He brought up DotM as a comparison.

Rodimus Prime wrote:Blitzwing will be a pass, as much like Shockwave and Megatron in DoTM, he was horribly mistreated in the Bee movie. He should have been the main villain instead of 2 no-names.

Here is our Transformers Studio Series video (featuring Devastator at long last) from Seibertron.com's YouTube Channel

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Paramounts demands for some level of physics realism ruled out a humanoid design, so the designers purposely went for a horrifically ugly animalistic nightmare mashup monstrosity.

So we can have Cybertron in Earth's orbit (twice) without any Earth-destroying consequences, but not a humanoid Devastator?

Autobot N wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Paramounts demands for some level of physics realism ruled out a humanoid design, so the designers purposely went for a horrifically ugly animalistic nightmare mashup monstrosity.

So we can have Cybertron in Earth's orbit (twice) without any Earth-destroying consequences, but not a humanoid Devastator?

They might have found that less overtly physics-denying than a Godzilla-size humanoid robot walking upright. Plus Paramount had backed down a bit by the time of Dark of the Moon and even moreso in the next two films. (That and let's face it, there's probably a limit to how much they could have shown the Earth being rent and wracked by Cybertron's proximity in a live-action film while also having to render photorealistic giant robots).

Although it is amusing that, for how anal Paramount was about realism in the first two movies (And they were EXTREMELY anal about the robots being both realistic and more alien; Hasbro actually had to threaten to axe the project to get them to allow the characters to talk in human speech), the movies end up being less realistic about the proximity of another planet than the cheesy '80s cartoon was.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:Well, I guess I'll be the turd in the punch bowl and say that I don't like Sentinel. That character deserves a leader class figure. This voyager seems too small and simple. The only things I like are the sharp red and that he has a movie-accurate chest. That's the only thing missing on the DoTM leader figure.

It doesn't look as small and simple as the 2011 Voyager. The problem with making Sentinel a Leader-class in this line is that Optimus is a Voyager in this line, so Sentinel would end up dwarfing him. Sentinel is taller than Optimus in the film, but not to Grindor levels. Mind you, that does still make him a pass for me, because the ROTF Leader Optimus is still my primary movieverse Optimus... The scale shift has made a lot of Studio Series a pass for me.

If DoTM Megatron was made leader, why couldn't Sentinel? They were both larger than Prime, both height and mass wise. And that Rosenbaum Panther is a massive firetruck, bigger than a Peterbilt. Sentinel should have been equal to Megatron. Otherwise I agree about the SS scale, and RoTF leader Prime is also my favorite movie figure.

Rodimus Prime wrote:I never started collecting the Constructicons either, because I think that Devastator is a hideous mess.

In fairness, ROTF Devastator is supposed to be hideous. Paramounts demands for some level of physics realism ruled out a humanoid design, so the designers purposely went for a horrifically ugly animalistic nightmare mashup monstrosity.

I'm not saying he's not accurate. He is for the most part. But why couldn't he be a bipedal? Just because some movie executive said? They're alien robots! And if that person needed an explanation, I have a simple one: make the 2 biggest members the legs for support and combine the others for the rest of the body. Honestly, for all of RoTF's faults, Devy was my biggest gripe. And it just translated to the toy. It would've been funny to see Hasbro put a set of wrecking ballz on him to make him as accurate as possible.

Rodimus Prime wrote:Blitzwing will be a pass, as much like Shockwave and Megatron in DoTM, he was horribly mistreated in the Bee movie. He should have been the main villain instead of 2 no-names.

I disagree with you about Megatron in DotM. It's still his villainy that ultimately drives the plot. Sentinel taking the reins makes sense because Megs is still reeling from his injuries at the end of ROTF while Sentinel is fresh as a daisy after a jolt from the Matrix, which impacts the balance of power between them. Megatron does take his own back when he realizes what's happened

I'll give you that, but, I still thought he was marginalized. In hindsight, I thought Sentinel and Shockwave should have tried to kill him and push him to switch sides at least temporarily. Would have made for a great 4-way final battle, and would have given Shockwave more to do.

and he and Optimus have what amounts to a decent final throwdown if you take into account that they're both cripples at that point.

I have to disagree with that. Megatron wasn't a physical cripple, he took out Sentinel by himself, even if he started it with a shot to the back. He might have had mental problems, but physically he was very capable. And it wasn't even a fight, Prime threw his axe in his chest, ripped it out and then decapitated him. Megatron had no offense whatsoever, just like Shockwave. Horrible mistreatment.

IMO Megatron gets a better deal in DotM than he does in, say, the Marvel comics.

I think he was treated better in the Marvel comics, especially if we count both G2 and ReGeneration, but it still could have ended better for him. But that discussion is for a different forum.

Now that I've seen more shots, I'm warming up to Blitzwing as a toy. Looks pretty good. But how he was handled on screen still irks me.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:Well, I guess I'll be the turd in the punch bowl and say that I don't like Sentinel. That character deserves a leader class figure. This voyager seems too small and simple. The only things I like are the sharp red and that he has a movie-accurate chest. That's the only thing missing on the DoTM leader figure.

It doesn't look as small and simple as the 2011 Voyager. The problem with making Sentinel a Leader-class in this line is that Optimus is a Voyager in this line, so Sentinel would end up dwarfing him. Sentinel is taller than Optimus in the film, but not to Grindor levels. Mind you, that does still make him a pass for me, because the ROTF Leader Optimus is still my primary movieverse Optimus... The scale shift has made a lot of Studio Series a pass for me.

If DoTM Megatron was made leader, why couldn't Sentinel? They were both larger than Prime, both height and mass wise.

They were both larger, true, but not to the same level that, say, Grindor from ROTF was. And there are some key differences in design between Megatron and Sentinel. Megatron has a broad, bulky torso and thick legs to spread the mass across (and IMO, I think he still ends up too much bigger than Studio Series Optimus), while Sentinel Prime does not. Trying to make Sentinel a Leader (esp. at Studio Series' average engineering level) would have resulted in his being not only taller than Optimus but Megatron as well.

Rodimus Prime wrote:And that Rosenbaum Panther is a massive firetruck, bigger than a Peterbilt.

Leaving aside SS being more concerned with robot mode scale... The Rosenbauer Panther 6x6 is 40' long, so it's only 8' longer than the extended-cab Peterbilt 379. And a good chunk of the volume would be hollow because of the water tank. In light of that, the DOTM Leader Sentinel Prime figure actually isn't too off from the ROTF Leader Optimus acale-wise.

Rodimus Prime wrote:Sentinel should have been equal to Megatron.

Equal, but not bigger than him, which I think would be the result of making him a Leader-class figure in this line.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:I never started collecting the Constructicons either, because I think that Devastator is a hideous mess.

In fairness, ROTF Devastator is supposed to be hideous. Paramounts demands for some level of physics realism ruled out a humanoid design, so the designers purposely went for a horrifically ugly animalistic nightmare mashup monstrosity.

I'm not saying he's not accurate. He is for the most part. But why couldn't he be a bipedal? Just because some movie executive said?

Yes, basically. Well, a studio exec and the studio's in-house "experts" (these are the same people who Hasbro practically had to force at gunpoint to accept the alien robots talking in human speech). Annoying, but such are the perils of showbiz sometimes. Basically, the sticking point is that something as Godzilla-massive as Devastator would collapse under its own weight in a human upright stature (So we're talking the kind of science whiners who would write off Pacific Rim because of how big the Jaegers are). It could have been argued "They're made of alien material durable enough to not collapse" but I'm not sure if that would have flown with those people.

Rodimus Prime wrote:And if that person needed an explanation, I have a simple one: make the 2 biggest members the legs for support and combine the others for the rest of the body.

I don't think that would have satisfied them re: the issue about the effects of the combined mass, sadly. Because it would still have been an enormous concentration of robot mass.

Rodimus Prime wrote:Honestly, for all of RoTF's faults, Devy was my biggest gripe. And it just translated to the toy.

I'm fine with how they did him. It emphasizes the "Oh god, run away!" aspect of Devastator a fair bit.

Rodimus Prime wrote:It would've been funny to see Hasbro put a set of wrecking ballz on him to make him as accurate as possible.

Now that's the Transformer they're really never gonna make.

Give them time, 3rd Party will make those wrecking ballz. I also like bestial devastator, fits the alien nature of the cons in the live action movies so far. I wouldn't worry about it though, there will be a style change with the reboot movies, and then again with the inevitable reboot after that. Hasbro got toys to sell afterall.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:Well, I guess I'll be the turd in the punch bowl and say that I don't like Sentinel. That character deserves a leader class figure. This voyager seems too small and simple. The only things I like are the sharp red and that he has a movie-accurate chest. That's the only thing missing on the DoTM leader figure.

It doesn't look as small and simple as the 2011 Voyager. The problem with making Sentinel a Leader-class in this line is that Optimus is a Voyager in this line, so Sentinel would end up dwarfing him. Sentinel is taller than Optimus in the film, but not to Grindor levels. Mind you, that does still make him a pass for me, because the ROTF Leader Optimus is still my primary movieverse Optimus... The scale shift has made a lot of Studio Series a pass for me.

If DoTM Megatron was made leader, why couldn't Sentinel? They were both larger than Prime, both height and mass wise. And that Rosenbaum Panther is a massive firetruck, bigger than a Peterbilt. Sentinel should have been equal to Megatron. Otherwise I agree about the SS scale, and RoTF leader Prime is also my favorite movie figure.

Thing is, that DOTM Megatron, when his knees are properly bent like they should be, is the same height to the head as the tall Voyager ROTF and Movie 1 Megatrons. DOTM Megatron being a Leader was more to get his bulk right than to make him super tall. So far, it's looking like Voyager Sentinel is going to be about the same size as the Voyager ROTF and Movie 1 Megatrons, and thus the same height to the head as leader DOTM Megatron.

The smegging reboot movies can jolly well go wait their turn on a storage shelf until we get the Unicron movie that was supposed to come out last year and thus actually finish the original movie universe's story. Until then, the reboot stuff fills me with the same bitter rage I felt when I tuned in to Kids' WB the week after "Revelations" only to get a smegging Xaolin Showdown rerun instead of the next Cybertron episode.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote::evil: The smegging reboot movies can jolly well go wait their turn on a storage shelf until we get the Unicron movie that was supposed to come out last year and thus actually finish the original movie universe's story. Until then, the reboot stuff fills me with the same bitter rage I felt when I tuned in to Kids' WB the week after "Revelations" only to get a smegging Xaolin Showdown rerun instead of the next Cybertron episode.

Considering that Bumblebee was an actually great movie whereas TLK was...not, shall we say, I think the Unicron movie can be consigned to vaporware.

Black Hat wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote::evil: The smegging reboot movies can jolly well go wait their turn on a storage shelf until we get the Unicron movie that was supposed to come out last year and thus actually finish the original movie universe's story. Until then, the reboot stuff fills me with the same bitter rage I felt when I tuned in to Kids' WB the week after "Revelations" only to get a smegging Xaolin Showdown rerun instead of the next Cybertron episode.

Considering that Bumblebee was an actually great movie whereas TLK was...not, shall we say, I think the Unicron movie can be consigned to vaporware.

Especially since that movie kind of reversed the planets' alignments by depicting Cybertron as the villain's weapon of mass destruction while Unicron was depicted as the innocent planet Earth being victimized and attacked by Cybertron.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Leaving aside SS being more concerned with robot mode scale... The Rosenbauer Panther 6x6 is 40' long, so it's only 8' longer than the extended-cab Peterbilt 379. And a good chunk of the volume would be hollow because of the water tank. In light of that, the DOTM Leader Sentinel Prime figure actually isn't too off from the ROTF Leader Optimus acale-wise.

Rodimus Prime wrote:Sentinel should have been equal to Megatron.

Equal, but not bigger than him, which I think would be the result of making him a Leader-class figure in this line.

I have said everything about the new Sentinel with the assumption that his height will be the same as other SS voyagers, which would make him a head shorter than leader Megatron and that just seems wrong. I see Jeddostotle's point about bending the knees, which I haven't done on my figure. I'll check it out. I love the DoTM leader Sentinel, it's my 2nd favorite movie figure after RoTF leader Prime. My only problem with him is that he's top-heavy. If the voyages Sentinel is a lot more stable and scales well with Prime and Megatron, I might change my mind on him. We'll see.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:I never started collecting the Constructicons either, because I think that Devastator is a hideous mess.

In fairness, ROTF Devastator is supposed to be hideous. Paramounts demands for some level of physics realism ruled out a humanoid design, so the designers purposely went for a horrifically ugly animalistic nightmare mashup monstrosity.

I'm not saying he's not accurate. He is for the most part. But why couldn't he be a bipedal? Just because some movie executive said?

Yes, basically. Well, a studio exec and the studio's in-house "experts" (these are the same people who Hasbro practically had to force at gunpoint to accept the alien robots talking in human speech). Annoying, but such are the perils of showbiz sometimes. Basically, the sticking point is that something as Godzilla-massive as Devastator would collapse under its own weight in a human upright stature (So we're talking the kind of science whiners who would write off Pacific Rim because of how big the Jaegers are). It could have been argued "They're made of alien material durable enough to not collapse" but I'm not sure if that would have flown with those people.

Alright, let's blame the big wigs I suppose. Just another case of corporate interests stifling creative freedom.

And I agree about the Unicron story being finished, even though I think Earth being Unicron is an idiotic concept, in both Prime and Bayverse. For me the only enjoyable parts were Cogman and Anthony Hopkins' character. And I thought the new Megatron figure was really good, even if the character was wasted.

Sabrblade wrote:

Black Hat wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote::evil: The smegging reboot movies can jolly well go wait their turn on a storage shelf until we get the Unicron movie that was supposed to come out last year and thus actually finish the original movie universe's story. Until then, the reboot stuff fills me with the same bitter rage I felt when I tuned in to Kids' WB the week after "Revelations" only to get a smegging Xaolin Showdown rerun instead of the next Cybertron episode.

Considering that Bumblebee was an actually great movie whereas TLK was...not, shall we say, I think the Unicron movie can be consigned to vaporware.

Especially since that movie kind of reversed the planets' alignments by depicting Cybertron as the villain's weapon of mass destruction while Unicron was depicted as the innocent planet Earth being victimized and attacked by Cybertron.

Uhhhh, no it didn't. It basically copied Prime's plot point of Earth being the unwitting host to the monstrous Unicron (who even the uncorrupted Optimus regards as evil, and IIRC the Knights do as well). While the battered husk of a world that is Cybertron is maliciously turned into a villains' weapon by Quintessa, who is identified as "The mad god" and "The great deceiver". And it stops being malicious once it's been freed from Quintessa's control. Unicron, while on the defensive in TLK, is nevertheless presented by it as being Bad News.

TLK was not a bad movie. Age of Extinction was a wretched trainwreck except for the Dinobots, but TLK was alright and fun.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:
TLK was not a bad movie.

You're right, it was worse than bad.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Black Hat wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote::evil: The smegging reboot movies can jolly well go wait their turn on a storage shelf until we get the Unicron movie that was supposed to come out last year and thus actually finish the original movie universe's story. Until then, the reboot stuff fills me with the same bitter rage I felt when I tuned in to Kids' WB the week after "Revelations" only to get a smegging Xaolin Showdown rerun instead of the next Cybertron episode.

Considering that Bumblebee was an actually great movie whereas TLK was...not, shall we say, I think the Unicron movie can be consigned to vaporware.

Especially since that movie kind of reversed the planets' alignments by depicting Cybertron as the villain's weapon of mass destruction while Unicron was depicted as the innocent planet Earth being victimized and attacked by Cybertron.

Uhhhh, no it didn't. It basically copied Prime's plot point of Earth being the unwitting host to the monstrous Unicron (who even the uncorrupted Optimus regards as evil, and IIRC the Knights do as well). While the battered husk of a world that is Cybertron is maliciously turned into a villains' weapon by Quintessa, who is identified as "The mad god" and "The great deceiver". And it stops being malicious once it's been freed from Quintessa's control. Unicron, while on the defensive in TLK, is nevertheless presented by it as being Bad News.

TLK was not a bad movie. Age of Extinction was a wretched trainwreck except for the Dinobots, but TLK was alright and fun.

I feel like I'm one of the only people who enjoyed AoE at this point! I still think its one of my favourites, yes some elements are stupid, but I like the idea of the humans hunting them down and making something out of them as lets be honest that's probably what we would do if creatures like Transformers came here!

william-james88 wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:
TLK was not a bad movie.

You're right, it was worse than bad.

So much worse than bad that they aren't even in the same zip code.

LeAwesome1 wrote:I feel like I'm one of the only people who enjoyed AoE at this point! I still think its one of my favourites, yes some elements are stupid, but I like the idea of the humans hunting them down and making something out of them as lets be honest that's probably what we would do if creatures like Transformers came here!

AoE's plot was a mix of stupid and wasted potential, but it's still the best one when it comes to treating the transformers as actual characters (and that includes Bumblebee). AoE Optimus is still the only live-action TF to have really any measurable character arc.

Okay guys, let's steer this back to Studio Series. The movies have their own forum.

I wonder if we'll get more figures of the characters from the start of the Bee movie, or if Cliffjumper is the only one because he's popular. IIRC, Brawn was there along with a few more.

Rodimus Prime wrote:Okay guys, let's steer this back to Studio Series. The movies have their own forum.

I wonder if we'll get more figures of the characters from the start of the Bee movie, or if Cliffjumper is the only one because he's popular. IIRC, Brawn was there along with a few more.

I personally would prefer some of the older characters first, but I would be all over Soundwave and Shockwave. Maybe Wheeljack too.

Given that Studio Series has a finite line of characters to deal with, I reckon they will cover the rest of the Bee style characters. It will be a good way for them to kill time till another movie comes along. Though I'm still waiting for them to tackle AoE Galvaltron...

But will we ever get Skids and Mudflap? I get it, I absolutely hate their characters, but the robot modes were always intriguing to me.