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Most likely this will end up as a twin pack of Grimlock with Wheelie from The Last Knight, perhaps in G1 colours or perhaps even as the 86th figure in the line. That's my guess, anyway.

Given that Arcee, Quintessons, Ultra Magnus, Alicons, AND Springer were in the main Generations line I tend to think this would be a G1 colored SS Grimlock with a G1 colored SS Wheelie. Which ... I might get, TBH. May go well with the G1 colored Dinobots I already have. Saying that, I alreadu have two of the three G1 colored movie Grimlocks and both are in storage, so maybe not.

It just seems more likely than the Studio Series competing with new molds for the same characters.

Ugh, I hope it's just a G1 themed repaint.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:Given that Arcee, Quintessons, Ultra Magnus, Alicons, AND Springer were in the main Generations line I tend to think this would be a G1 colored SS Grimlock with a G1 colored SS Wheelie. Which ... I might get, TBH. May go well with the G1 colored Dinobots I already have. Saying that, I alreadu have two of the three G1 colored movie Grimlocks and both are in storage, so maybe not.

It just seems more likely than the Studio Series competing with new molds for the same characters.

Wait there were 3 movie grimlocks in G1 colours? I can only think of 2 for some reason, were they all from that aoe voyager mold?

If third party stuff partially having character choices that are made to beat Hasbro to market is still a thing, then I can't wait for all the weird Junkions to happen. Arblus, weird Quintessa fish, plenty of interesting stuff to do if this is what it seems like.

william-james88 wrote:

Gauntlet101010 wrote:Given that Arcee, Quintessons, Ultra Magnus, Alicons, AND Springer were in the main Generations line I tend to think this would be a G1 colored SS Grimlock with a G1 colored SS Wheelie. Which ... I might get, TBH. May go well with the G1 colored Dinobots I already have. Saying that, I alreadu have two of the three G1 colored movie Grimlocks and both are in storage, so maybe not.

It just seems more likely than the Studio Series competing with new molds for the same characters.

Wait there were 3 movie grimlocks in G1 colours? I can only think of 2 for some reason, were they all from that aoe voyager mold?

Yeah, that's them.

SDCC, Platinum, and the Japanese movie release version. Which was tempting, but I already had two. And I think the SDCC one is better.

https://www.ebay.com/p/1667420805 - here's an ebay listing.

there was also a Slug which I got, mainly due to the gold on the dino mode's head.

Oh good, more modern versions of characters we already have modern versions of. Just what I wanted!

Burn wrote:Oh good, more modern versions of characters we already have modern versions of. Just what I wanted!

Starting to feel that too huh?

Skritz wrote:

Burn wrote:Oh good, more modern versions of characters we already have modern versions of. Just what I wanted!

Starting to feel that too huh?

Between that and rising prices and **** "exclusives", I rarely buy the modern stuff these days.

Oh boy more G1!!!! How on earth did Hasbro know?

I really appreciate Studio Series being movie accuracy focused, yeah a couple special editions are fine, but seriously aren't we getting enough G1 in literally every single other facet of this fandom/franchise right now?

I hate to be so negative, but this franchise is more than just G1.

If these are straight up 86 movie characters being released in the studio series line, I'm going to be mad, because there's already a dedicated line for G1 remakes and it's already usurped the current TV series as the "main" Transformers toyline. It'd better be a really damn short run of figures so it doesn't take over the SS line.

If these are G1 redecos of Bayformers characters, I will be intrigued and probably go about my day.

If this is the 86th Studio Series release and it's otherwise nothing special, I will go back to sleep.

Honestly it never used to bother me, but I really hate G1. Unicron Trilogy was my start, and I loved Prime, there is still so much untapped potential in new transformers media and toys. If SS becomes another G1 only line, I'll be trimming down my collection and leaving this chapter of my life behind.
Hasbro has to see what they're doing by releasing the same six characters over and over right? Destroying innovation is not the path to success.

This thread is so negative. What if things are going well enough that another Studio Series line could start for another iteration of Transformers that runs concurrently with Movie Studio Series? What if y'all ate a Snickers? Better?

I say bring on multiple Studio Series type lines. Beast Machines could use one. Animated too. TF Prime has undone stuff (Insecticon as not a CV Commander Class) or stuff needing updates (Airachnid). Heck let's cash in on the teenager allowance money of the kids that grew up with Rescue Bots and do a Studio Series for it too. If they're as comprehensive as Movie Studio Series has been and continues to be, I don't see the downside.

Yeah, I'm with Scotty here. SS doesn't have to mean Bayverse characters.

Besides, if AoE Grimlock gets G1 colors, he'll look really dumb in either bot mode or dino mode, depends on which mode they pick to be accurate. Because of his transformation, it can't be both.

Have we ever gotten a leader class-sized G1-inspired Grimlock in any line before?

Personally, I'm not trying to be negative. I just think it's unlikely the Studio Series will be G1 focused since the Generations line already has a lot of those characters already covered.

I think it's a stretch to consider a whole other franchise will be covered by the presence of just one product that references it. Especially since there have been other G1 redecos in movies lines before.

ScottyP wrote:This thread is so negative. What if things are going well enough that another Studio Series line could start for another iteration of Transformers that runs concurrently with Movie Studio Series? What if y'all ate a Snickers? Better?

I say bring on multiple Studio Series type lines. Beast Machines could use one. Animated too. TF Prime has undone stuff (Insecticon as not a CV Commander Class) or stuff needing updates (Airachnid). Heck let's cash in on the teenager allowance money of the kids that grew up with Rescue Bots and do a Studio Series for it too. If they're as comprehensive as Movie Studio Series has been and continues to be, I don't see the downside.

I like that idea Scotty, a line of figures spanning different transformers mediums, we could call it GenerationS, Because it would cover more than just the first generation.
All sarcasm aside, I think we're all just worried that this 86 movie line will supersede the only non-G1 inspired line currently available. (With rescue bots being the exception for now)

Rodimus Prime wrote:Have we ever gotten a leader class-sized G1-inspired Grimlock in any line before?

MP Grimlock is about the height in robot mode of what Leader class toys used to be.

For more recent example, there is Cyberverse Ultimate class Grimlock.

Keep in mind that next year is the 35th anniversary of the movie and we know how much HasTak loves their 5 year anniversaries.



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So I believe it if they're planning to celebrate the movie's 35th anniversary by slipping it into Studio Series. There's definitely some synergy to be had between WfC and SS, I see it as being like MP toy accuracy vs MP Cartoon accuracy. I think the Walmart 35th line might have been a preview of things to come. So the WfC line gets the gritty stuff we're used to while the SS line gets the toon painted version with maybe some different accessories and a little retooling. So WfC Leader Grimlock might have darker gray, gold paint, and maybe a crown and throne that transforms while SS Grimlock is light gray with toon shading and Wheelie. I could also see a heavily retooled Ultra Magnus and maybe an improved Astrotrain among other things.

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Rodimus Prime wrote:Yeah, I'm with Scotty here. SS doesn't have to mean Bayverse characters.

Besides, if AoE Grimlock gets G1 colors, he'll look really dumb in either bot mode or dino mode, depends on which mode they pick to be accurate. Because of his transformation, it can't be both.

Have we ever gotten a leader class-sized G1-inspired Grimlock in any line before?

Yes

https://www.seibertron.com/transformers ... rse/43557/

Gauntlet101010 wrote:Given that Arcee, Quintessons, Ultra Magnus, Alicons, AND Springer were in the main Generations line I tend to think this would be a G1 colored SS Grimlock with a G1 colored SS Wheelie. Which ... I might get, TBH. May go well with the G1 colored Dinobots I already have. Saying that, I alreadu have two of the three G1 colored movie Grimlocks and both are in storage, so maybe not.

It just seems more likely than the Studio Series competing with new molds for the same characters.

I'm starting to feel the GeeWun burn, but we do need a better Generations Grim. (The TR Wheelie we already have is awesome, though).

Plus. IF '86 is included in Studio Series, maybe we'll get a Springer without all that excessive battle damage. And as much as I don't want to buy a leader-priced Astrotrain for a 3rd time, I wouldn't mind having a cleaner deco for him as well.

But. In the end. It would have been BETTER if Studio Series was just the live action films.

Ever since this hit our news mailbox tonight while I was at work, I have had a lot of time to discuss this with others both among staff and not. I have said a lot, and I don't quite think others heard my full message.

The long and short of this is: this sucks. This is awful news.

Let's start with this: Studio Series has been a very strong line that has given us some (mostly) very good live action movie figures, and it has given life to characters that had no toys before, only had legion toys, had retools instead of new molds, and more. This line has been great for the live action movies, and as i noted a while ago, it only needs a good year to finish off the original trilogy and maybe 2 to catch the rest from the first 6 movies.

To see 1980's coming into this is really depressing.

For one, that is what Generation (can't even give it an "s" anymore) has been doing since 2013, and what CHUG had been doing before that. There is a full line, called War for Cybertron, that has been doing the whole G1 redone thing already.

For another, in the past 5 years, we have basically gotten the entire 1986 movie cast. And here we are, gonna do them again. We've even gotten/will get 3 main Autobot members in just WFC alone, in the proper scale, with "G1 accurate" toys.

And funny enough, talking to many, those toys just didn't cut it. Like, WTF. How can you say Magnus and Springer have not gotten covered that? You are praising the hell out of WFC, and yet you say they are not good enough. how?

Seibertron even listed off multiple versions of figures that have gotten multiple toys and how each was not enough.

and yet in SS, there is a small number of characters that have not gotten any figures at all. Que has his 1 hard to find deluxe, same with Leadfoot. Dino has an expensive retool exclusive and a legion figure. Hatchet has his Cyberverse commander figure. The TLK crew has none. Infernocus has a single crappy retool (just call it that, 1/5 is new).

It's really sad. and it means that G1 is now not only the main Generation line, but it's the heavy influence for Cyberverse, the main MP line, and now Studio Series.

Why is it that the Studio Series part of Generations has to be the part to actually live up to the "s"?

With 86 movie characters in SS, think of it like this: WFC part 3 has a Titan price point Ark. Hooray! Finally, an Ark playset! But then it is the Dark of the Moon Ark. Think about that, how would fans of the trilogy feel?

That feeling is what SS fans are feeling.

Also, why do the 86 characters have to go in SS? There is a (MUCH bigger) WFC line where they could easily slot in and take up 2 waves, and boom! New really good (at least I thought from all the praise everyone lumped on them) movie figures! But nope, we gotta go take out some of SS, delay figures in that line even longer and thus closer to never happening, just to celebrate our 1980's addiction.

It also shows just how out of touch HasTak is with its fanbase. The near universal response on Twitter: "Why? Isn't that WFC?" Facebook is more popular, but also, Facebook tends to trend towards a higher age bracket than Twitter. so we are literally seeing the 40 year olds heaping praise on the idea, but everyone 30 and younger who grew up past G1 is listening to their voice be drowned away and watching as the 1 non-G1 based line is transitioning to G1 as well.

It hurts, it sucks, and it shows out of touchness.

Another thing, this would be a lot less bad if generations lived up to its title. Imagine if Earthrise Arcee, Smokescreen, and Megatron had been Prime instead of G1 versions of the characters. Diversity is a good thing, there are lots of different uses of the names. Spread out, make others, don't be afraid to actually CARE for other people's G1.

ScottyP, I read what you said, and I think you missed the mark too: this isn't about starting a new generations/SS line for other things like Armada, this is bringing in WFC directly to the Live Action films Generations line. it's not the same thing. I do long for lines like SS for other generations, but this is not the doorway to that, this is just trying to impose G1 on more stuff.

So yeah, this is very disappointing. Hasbro and Takara need to get themselves together, leave G1 out of SS, put it where it belongs in WFC, and start doing more research past Facebook to find where Fans actually want the brand to go.

Give G1 a break. Let people enjoy what they have, let them enjoy things that don't have any G1 in it, and allow diversity to actually exist in your toylines.

No, just no. Studio Series was one of the last things that was not G1. I am so sick of G1. Also, if 86 is the number, it should not be released until fall 2021 since the highest number we know of now is 67 (skipjack) which comes out this fall. I am hoping that this is a miss-listing. Finger crossed that this is not truly for SS, but actually for ER.

D-Maximal really summed up what the problem is quite well.

Rtron wrote:D-Maximal really summed up what the problem is quite well.

Thank you.

This is something I feel very strongly about and have been simmering in at work and discussing with others as well why I feel this way.

I don't hate G1. But I am in that under-30 category that did not grow up with it at all. To me, the movie versions are the definitive versions of those characters. And to see them trying to swept away in their own line by the cartoon movie of 1986 hurts.

G1 needs a break, or they just need to let off the gas, have half of the figures a year in the main Generations line be "g1" material, and spread out. Stretch the legs.