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Sabrblade wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Or the front end of the Tetrajet could be retooled into a collapsible head

Then where would the robot mode stabilizers come from?

Somewhere else. That is the beauty of retools.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Or the front end of the Tetrajet could be retooled into a collapsible head

Then where would the robot mode stabilizers come from?

Somewhere else. That is the beauty of retools.

Where else, though? Do you own the mold? The whole nose of the tetrajet is an integral component of the very structural integrity of the altmode kibble's placement in robot mode. Without the nose splitting in half and folding up to become the faux stabilizers, the altmode kibble can't securely lock into place in the robot mode.

Then simply turn the transformation around. Have the wings of the tetrajet substitute the folded nose pieces, with fake "wings" behind them for kibble. Just as Wingblade's design was just Thrust in cosplay, altering the structure of the figure is achievable while retaining cosmetic appearances. Just note the Coneheads were physically different to the standard seekers, beyond the titular aspect. Extra wings etc could easily be employed to get new results from the same mold.

I'm just going to say, I doubt the Coneheads are a safe enough bet to warrant 2 figures each because they're probably going to do Selects releases of them with the Earthrise mold, so I doubt we'd get them with the Tetrajet mold too. That said, I could somewhat see a remold to the backpack to facilitate the Coneheads' respective kibble

I think Coneheads are for Earthrise because the jet mode more easily allow to remold their wings and tailfin rather than come up with a Cybertronian design for them.

The cone springloads or slides into the head. Pick your mold, problem solved.

As much as I despise the "new" Earthrise mold, I agree that Coneheads are probably coming from it later next year, even though I would MUCH rather we get the rest of the Seekers from the Siege mold, and I'm just hoping that Ramjet makes the mold look good enough for me to get. With that in mind, the next uses I want to see from the Siege mold would be the Welcoming Committee, since they were only on Cybertron and therefore should have tetrajet alt modes like the Rainmakers. Another three pack with Sunstorm, Hotlink, and Bitstream would do the trick, or just Selects releases of them (as long as none of them are locked behind a dumb Red Card again, still annoyed about Redwing). I could see them doing those three and not Nacelle, given the remolding required for the original Nacelle being partially Conehead-based.

Stargrave wrote:The cone springloads or slides into the head. Pick your mold, problem solved.

Eh, this.
They could also make his head split, like for ROTF Thrust.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Then simply turn the transformation around. Have the wings of the tetrajet substitute the folded nose pieces, with fake "wings" behind them for kibble. Just as Wingblade's design was just Thrust in cosplay, altering the structure of the figure is achievable while retaining cosmetic appearances. Just note the Coneheads were physically different to the standard seekers, beyond the titular aspect. Extra wings etc could easily be employed to get new results from the same mold.

The only similarities Windblade even has with Thrust is having VTOL fans on the wings, and even then their different locations and sizes, and a cockpit chest I guess but most jet Transformers have them.

Their not even the same shade of red either, she has more differences from Thrust then similarities to him

It's just a stupid comparison, lots of characters in the franchise share a few similarities but whatever it's Windblade so obviously noting counts unlike someone like Slipstream who is so original in appearance because she's simply wearing a Starscream cosplay which is much different.

Nemesis Primal wrote:I could see them doing those three and not Nacelle, given the remolding required for the original Nacelle being partially Conehead-based.

But Nacelle looked like a normal Seeker in the cartoon:

Nemesis Primal wrote:the next uses I want to see from the Siege mold would be the Welcoming Committee, since they were only on Cybertron and therefore should have tetrajet alt modes like the Rainmakers. Another three pack with Sunstorm, Hotlink, and Bitstream would do the trick, or just Selects releases of them

I like this idea. Supported!

Sabrblade wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote:I could see them doing those three and not Nacelle, given the remolding required for the original Nacelle being partially Conehead-based.

But Nacelle looked like a normal Seeker in the cartoon:

Given what we got with Rainmakers, I'd say a CHUG Nacelle would look like that.

not sure if apeface being the size of a deluxe is good or bad, at least it will fit in with TR monsterbots and explains why its got nothing to make the robot head look bigger in robot mode which is what I feared back then. Think I'd just go with the G1 toys if I had the money (and be able to get snap dragon).

blackeyedprime wrote:not sure if apeface being the size of a deluxe is good or bad, at least it will fit in with TR monsterbots and explains why its got nothing to make the robot head look bigger in robot mode which is what I feared back then. Think I'd just go with the G1 toys if I had the money (and be able to get snap dragon).

He's a small Voyager yes, but Spinister and the Ironhide mold are quite big for Deluxes. Also, Apeface's bulk is concentrated in his backpack and the back of his legs.

blackeyedprime wrote:not sure if apeface being the size of a deluxe is good or bad, at least it will fit in with TR monsterbots and explains why its got nothing to make the robot head look bigger in robot mode which is what I feared back then. Think I'd just go with the G1 toys if I had the money (and be able to get snap dragon).

Wait, what? *goes back and looks at the comparison shot of Crosshairs, Astrotrain and Apeface* Ugh, I was so focused on Astrotrain that I didn't notice Apeface's size! Ah well, at least that means I might not need to reorganize the Decepticon half of the shelf to accommodate another Voyager figure

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

blackeyedprime wrote:not sure if apeface being the size of a deluxe is good or bad, at least it will fit in with TR monsterbots and explains why its got nothing to make the robot head look bigger in robot mode which is what I feared back then. Think I'd just go with the G1 toys if I had the money (and be able to get snap dragon).

He's a small Voyager yes, but Spinister and the Ironhide mold are quite big for Deluxes. Also, Apeface's bulk is concentrated in his backpack and the back of his legs.

animated lockhead was big for a deluxe....and deluxe priced. We are now paying voyager prices for for deluxes and getting voyagers that are deluxes. Crazy. TR Blur was pretty much a standard sized deluxe to me. If anything its got my hopes up that they are charging deluxe prices for legends sized figures so that earthrise cliffjumper can go with the other mini bots.

blackeyedprime wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

blackeyedprime wrote:not sure if apeface being the size of a deluxe is good or bad, at least it will fit in with TR monsterbots and explains why its got nothing to make the robot head look bigger in robot mode which is what I feared back then. Think I'd just go with the G1 toys if I had the money (and be able to get snap dragon).

He's a small Voyager yes, but Spinister and the Ironhide mold are quite big for Deluxes. Also, Apeface's bulk is concentrated in his backpack and the back of his legs.

animated lockhead]

Lockhead Martin?

I'm more impressed by the banana box and little bananas, nice addition. Kidding aside I really like him. I dig how they got the 2 different faces on that headmaster, and I dont mind the look of the battle damage.

Oh, and when is Ratchet supposed to hit Walgreen's i the US

blackeyedprime wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

blackeyedprime wrote:not sure if apeface being the size of a deluxe is good or bad, at least it will fit in with TR monsterbots and explains why its got nothing to make the robot head look bigger in robot mode which is what I feared back then. Think I'd just go with the G1 toys if I had the money (and be able to get snap dragon).

He's a small Voyager yes, but Spinister and the Ironhide mold are quite big for Deluxes. Also, Apeface's bulk is concentrated in his backpack and the back of his legs.

animated lockhead was big for a deluxe....and deluxe priced. We are now paying voyager prices for for deluxes and getting voyagers that are deluxes. Crazy. TR Blur was pretty much a standard sized deluxe to me. If anything its got my hopes up that they are charging deluxe prices for legends sized figures so that earthrise cliffjumper can go with the other mini bots.

Lockdown And he was indeed taller, but not necessarily significantly heavier. Remember, Size Class is dictated by weight and plastic amount, not volume. Armada Tidal Wave is another example of being taller than his Size Class would suggest.

STngAR wrote:Oh, and when is Ratchet supposed to hit Walgreen's i the US

After the Holiday Shopping Season Reset, so closer to Black Friday.

Siege Apeface have a very weak jet mode. Really, a square with a nosecone and wings tacked on. Ugly and sad. However, it knock the ape AND bot mode out of the park, making the ugly jet mode an afterthought instead of a dealbreaker.

So, yeah, I'm definitely getting him.

-Kanrabat- wrote:Siege Apeface have a very weak jet mode. Really, a square with a nosecone and wings tacked on. Ugly and sad. However, it knock the ape AND bot mode out of the park, making the ugly jet mode an afterthought instead of a dealbreaker.

So, yeah, I'm definitely getting him.

The G1 jet mode for Apeface was essentially the same. A square box with wings and a nosecone on top. The gorilla mode is amazing compared to the very poorly designed (but man I still have nostalgic feelings for it) gorilla mode of the G1 figure.

My only complaint with this figure is the odd choice in color plastic for that off-white color of the G1 toy and Titans Return Titan Master. It comes out as a yellowish white which is a bummer. But other than that, he's a fun toy!

Here's hoping for a Snapdragon to complete the 1987 Headmasters cast at long last!

Seibertron wrote:The G1 jet mode for Apeface was essentially the same. A square box with wings and a nosecone on top.

Basically the same, yes, but much better executed on the G1. The nosecone is much bigger and the ape arms work as long air intakes, making the jet way more streamlined. However, the bot was G1 basic (obviously) and the gorilla was horrible.

The only triple changer that break the "must sacrifice a mode so that the other two look good" rule is G1 Snapdragon. The bot is great, the jet is perfect, and the dragon manage to be awesome with what they had to work with.
I'm really curious about how that basically "perfect" design will be updated?

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Seibertron wrote:The G1 jet mode for Apeface was essentially the same. A square box with wings and a nosecone on top.

Basically the same, yes, but much better executed on the G1. The nosecone is much bigger and the ape arms work as long air intakes, making the jet way more streamlined. However, the bot was G1 basic (obviously) and the gorilla was horrible.

The only triple changer that break the "must sacrifice a mode so that the other two look good" rule is G1 Snapdragon. The bot is great, the jet is perfect, and the dragon manage to be awesome with what they had to work with.
I'm really curious about how that basically "perfect" design will be updated?

Isn't G1 Astrotrain the best example? I feel like all of the others suffer except for G1 Astrotrain.

Seibertron wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Seibertron wrote:The G1 jet mode for Apeface was essentially the same. A square box with wings and a nosecone on top.

Basically the same, yes, but much better executed on the G1. The nosecone is much bigger and the ape arms work as long air intakes, making the jet way more streamlined. However, the bot was G1 basic (obviously) and the gorilla was horrible.

The only triple changer that break the "must sacrifice a mode so that the other two look good" rule is G1 Snapdragon. The bot is great, the jet is perfect, and the dragon manage to be awesome with what they had to work with.
I'm really curious about how that basically "perfect" design will be updated?

Isn't G1 Astrotrain the best example? I feel like all of the others suffer except for G1 Astrotrain.

Astrotrain does too, the middle (wings to cockpit) of the shuttle doesn't exactly look the part when compared to the real deal, but we look past that because it was rendered as such in the cartoon I think. Blitzwing scores just as high with the jet cockpit visible in tank mode in both the toy and cartoon. The rest...

WFC Apeface is boxier and more stoutly proportioned in jet mode than G1, yes, but he looks more like a solid piece in Beast Mode instead of a jet folded in half me thinks. Robot Mode also looks better with the body measurements. Kinda funny: the G1 has the Beast Mode as the weakest, WFC has changed that to the Jet Mode.

He is smaller than G1 and MP Primal... Yikes.

Apeface has gone from homage to King Kong to Diddy Kong Also quite agree with -Kanrabat-, Snapdragon was always the superior of the two. I do genuinely look forward to a new version of him. They did neaten up Apeface's Beast Mode, which is all Snapdragon would need also. Since his jet mode was one of the best G1 Transformers jets.