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I know I'm like 8 months late to the party, but I want to blab about Skyfire for a minute.

This is a damn good toy. He is big but solid feeling, really fun to mess with, and i love all the guns and extra armor. I personally won't be leaving him in un-armored mode ever. The robot is tall and imposing, I love the shade of red used, and the black really helps add to him. I also really like the mask, even if there are no antennae on the sides.

Transformation is pretty fun, I like how the feet work to make a nice flush area with the jets on the back.

The jet mode is pretty sweet, I really like the T30 one, but this ain't bad. And while I haven't done it yet, I will sling some other Siege guys to his underside to drop into battle.

As for him and my T30 Jetfire, they both are going for 2 very different things, and i am OK with this. The new guy will be Skyfire while the T30 guy will remain Jetfire. 2 different characters, 2 different looks and sizes, it all works out. I still like my T30 better, but this is a great addition to the collection and I don't feel any regrets for getting him

Probably the best $40 figure ever. Not a penny more.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Cheetor is an exclusive, existing outside of the regular assortment. More than likely he's shipped in solid cases too.

Okay, that makes a bit more sense why there were so damn many, I don't collect Cyberverse, so I wasn't aware of his exclusive status.

Rodimus Prime wrote:Probably the best $40 figure ever. Not a penny more.

I personally find him worth the $55 I paid. maybe not the $80, but the $55 was worth it

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:Probably the best $40 figure ever. Not a penny more.

I personally find him worth the $55 I paid. maybe not the $80, but the $55 was worth it

Having seen how much was splurged on sky lynx for an equivalent $80, I now agree that jetfire was not an $80 figure

@JelZeGoldRabbit We haven't entirely moved beyond mere headswap redecoes *looks at TR Krok, Quake, and Breakaway, PotP Inferno and Cindersaur, and Selects Hot Shot* But it's often nice when figures do go beyond that.
And in Slapdash/Road King's case, I would rather he be his own new/mostly-new mold rather than a mere headswap redeco.

On the subject of Jetfire/Skyfire... I just can't stand T30 Jetfire's unnecessary lack of integration from foolishly trying to have the cartoon robot mode and the Valkyrie jet mode. I'd pass on him even if I found him complete at a yard sale price, that's how little I think of him. He's the Jetfire equivalent of Earthrise Arcee and with even less justification for being designed that way. ROTF Jetfire has the triple burden of being a Bayformer, being inflicted with an unnecessary AA battery box, and having to combine; what's T30 Jetfire's excuse?

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:Probably the best $40 figure ever. Not a penny more.

I personally find him worth the $55 I paid. maybe not the $80, but the $55 was worth it

With as big and articulated and dense as he is, he would never have been a $40 toy even before the Great Thinning. $50, yes, but not $40. He's essentially a Unicron Trilogy Supreme-class figure (and specifically, a good one like Primus and Unicron), height and mass and all, adjusted for the inflation of today. I got mine as a Christmas present, but I would have happily paid the full $80.
...I'm curious, has anyone weighed him compared to 3 SIEGE Seekers?

For my money, "best $40 figure ever" is a tie between Cybertron Leader Optimus and Megatron. Or if it stretches to allow $45 figures, a four-way tie between them, ROTF Leader Optimus, and HFTD Leader Starscream.

Hellscream, what more is it that you would have wanted them to give Skyfire after seeing Sky Lynx? Can you actually name it?

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:@JelZeGoldRabbit We haven't entirely moved beyond mere headswap redecoes *looks at TR Krok, Quake, and Breakaway, PotP Inferno and Cindersaur, and Selects Hot Shot* But it's often nice when figures do go beyond that.
And in Slapdash/Road King's case, I would rather he be his own new/mostly-new mold rather than a mere headswap redeco.

Those were all built-in, I specifically meant retools created after the figures are done.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:@JelZeGoldRabbit We haven't entirely moved beyond mere headswap redecoes *looks at TR Krok, Quake, and Breakaway, PotP Inferno and Cindersaur, and Selects Hot Shot* But it's often nice when figures do go beyond that.
And in Slapdash/Road King's case, I would rather he be his own new/mostly-new mold rather than a mere headswap redeco.

Those were all built-in, I specifically meant retools created after the figures are done.

Ah, fair enough.

On a less grumpy and defensive Skyfire note... I want to build a lecture theater so that I can do shots of him and Starscream presenting, in accordance with their prewar career as scientists.

Okay I admit I'm being salty about Jetfire. But it's because I was looking forward to him quite a bit and I got a borderline cyberverse figure. To me, basically he's an oversized KO of a deluxe figure. The only way he looks good to me is in jet mode from overhead. He just has too many unjustified gaps in his jet mode for such an expensive figure. The robot mode looks better, but again, for that price, he's not good enough. The T30 figure looks sharper paint-wise and even though his jet mode isn't accurate it's still a better value for the price. I know a lot of you will disagree and that's fine. Remember, this is just an opinion, don't lose your mind over it.

TF-fan kev777 wrote:Sweet, I was hoping we would see some reviews soon for the Netflix line. Mainly so we can see Ultra Magnus before he hits stores and know whether or not I want to cancel my pre-order if the deco isn't something I want.

Working on something now (no magnus though)

Rodimus Prime wrote:Okay I admit I'm being salty about Jetfire. But it's because I was looking forward to him quite a bit and I got a borderline cyberverse figure. To me, basically he's an oversized KO of a deluxe figure. The only way he looks good to me is in jet mode from overhead. He just has too many unjustified gaps in his jet mode for such an expensive figure. The robot mode looks better, but again, for that price, he's not good enough. The T30 figure looks sharper paint-wise and even though his jet mode isn't accurate it's still a better value for the price. I know a lot of you will disagree and that's fine. Remember, this is just an opinion, don't lose your mind over it.

I see where you are coming from. I felt as dissapointed and brought it back to the store. I just found it too expensive for something I didn't care enough for. But I also see what others see, with the extra features that go a long way. And the sculpting is great. I mean, he looks great. I just don't care much about him as a toy and when it comes to looks, I always cared more for his valkyrie roots than his show looks (don't have much of a connection with G1).

Yeah I understand what you're saying regarding the Valkyrie influence, that's why I like T30 Jetfire much better that Siege.

People who attended Hasbro's event at the 2020 Toy Fair were given goody bags and in them was a deluxe from the upcoming exclusive Netflix Transformers series exclusive toyline. They are all Siege toys with different paint apps and each come with a cardboard piece to make Teletran One. Since they are all out in this way, it was not long for reviews to come in.

Below you will see a review of the entire first wave, done by RFC Reviews. These deluxes are Chromia, Scrapface, Sideswipe, Decepticon Disguise Mirage and Hound.



We also have a nice pictorial review of Chromia from Allspark with nice comparisons to the original. It is clear that this one looks better. However, it is still the Chromia toy so the improvement can only go so far.

I don't call the black splotches (which at the same time aren't quite splotchy enough) an improvement

Rodimus Prime wrote:Okay I admit I'm being salty about Jetfire. But it's because I was looking forward to him quite a bit and I got a borderline cyberverse figure.

"borderline cyberverse"? That, my good sir, is going too far and veering into the ridiculous. There is simply too much intricacy in the transformation for that to be an apt comparison, and too much articulation in robot mode as well.
Cyberverse figures don't have folding nosecones like his, they don't have chest intakes that pivot 90 degrees and then swing around into robot mode position, they don't have wings that fold up on themseslves to protrude less in robot mode, they don't have the ends of booster engines unfolding from their tidy hiding places in the legs to connect to the rest of the engines, they don't have deployable handles for smaller figures to hang onto (at least, as far as I've seen). Cyberverse figures, even the large ones, don't have articulated hands that retract the 5mm port for better looks when opened, they don't have a full range of motion in all limbs as well as a a waist swivel, a neck tilt, and ankle tilts... Really, the additional armor is the only comparable thing

Rodimus Prime wrote:To me, basically he's an oversized KO of a deluxe figure.

That's considerably less ridiculous than calling him "Borderline Cyberverse", but IMO he still has too many moving parts in his transformation for it to be fair, plus he has a lot of features (like the ability to tuck the hands into the arms without having to leave an exposed gap) that are too far beyond the average Deluxe. You wanna talk OSKO, I refer you again to Supreme-class Starscream. Which is still a fun toy, but man is it irritating that HasTak pretty much just straight-up upsizing the Voyager and doing nothing to improve the arm articulation.

Rodimus Prime wrote:The only way he looks good to me is in jet mode from overhead. He just has too many unjustified gaps in his jet mode for such an expensive figure. The robot mode looks better, but again, for that price, he's not good enough.

Here's your justification for those gaps (by which if memory serves, you are chiefly talking about the view of his shoulder balls in jet mode): Not much of a good place to stash the panels that would cover them in robot mode, plus they decided to splurge more on the accessories front (accessories inspired by the Valkyrie). And the robot mode has a full, functional articulation scheme (including the aforementioned articulated hands) as well as snap-on armor, and has that level of engineering while still being on par mass-wise with figures the same size from 15 years ago. They're called size classes for a reason Now, if on the other hand he was a featherweight like T30 and Prime Wars Leaders are, then I'd be ticked about the price... But he's not.

Rodimus Prime wrote:The T30 figure looks sharper paint-wise and even though his jet mode isn't accurate it's still a better value for the price. I know a lot of you will disagree and that's fine. Remember, this is just an opinion, don't lose your mind over it.

I disagree with you about his jet mode being better value. Accuracy has nothing to do with it, it's the unjustified lack of integration. Very little of his robot body seems to make up any part of the jet mode, and for no good reason. Would you consider Earthrise Arcee to be more value for money than T30 or Animated Arcee?
Frankly, I think T30 Leader Jetfire can go kiss the Classics Voyager's skidplate. That one uses a hybrid design to preserve the Valkyrie influence as best it can without sacrificing an integrated transformation, and has the added bonus of the boosters (which point up over his shoulders in robot mode like they should on a Valkyrie) containing deployable cannons.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I don't call the black splotches (which at the same time aren't quite splotchy enough) an improvement

She looks just like the original, only differences are the too close of an encounter with a blow torch and the clear blue canopy. True, one set of parts is switched for black, and painted over where necessary, but keeping the original look still stands.

*meanwhile, still can't decide between T30, Legends, and Siege*

Well this review just reaffirmed that the only ones I want of these Deluxes are the Cons. The other three seem kinda irrelevant to me compared to their originals since they're just the same but dirtier, whereas Scrapface gets new character points in addition to looking really good with that red and metallic blue combo, and Decepticon Mirage is a unique repaint that looks enough like a new character for me to rename them Crash Test. Very curious to see what the other 5 later Deluxes will be, I hope there are more like these two.

Also I'm still not over the fact that we're not only getting a new Hotlink from the awesome tetrajet mold, but also that they made his flamethrower into a Battlemaster/Battlemasters so he could finally have it, that's a genius way to include that accessory for him. Heatstroke is a really good name for a guy who turns into a flamethrower too, I love it on all accounts. I'm now only one Seeker away from getting the three I really wanted as tetrajets, show me a Sunstorm and I'm set (although you may as well finish the Welcoming Committee at that point, I suppose).

Weird, for figures with more paint on them they forget to paint some side parts of sideswipe black - I'll wait for earthrise sideswipe anyhoos and hope the siege figures improved on in a few areas.

blackeyedprime wrote:Weird, for figures with more paint on them they forget to paint some side parts of sideswipe black - I'll wait for earthrise sideswipe anyhoos and hope the siege figures improved on in a few areas.

I'm not sure we'll get a Sideswipe in Earthrise, his Siege alt looks pretty earth mode already.

ZeroWolf wrote:

blackeyedprime wrote:Weird, for figures with more paint on them they forget to paint some side parts of sideswipe black - I'll wait for earthrise sideswipe anyhoos and hope the siege figures improved on in a few areas.

I'm not sure we'll get a Sideswipe in Earthrise, his Siege alt looks pretty earth mode already.

If it's on the packaging, they will come.

Jest aside, pretty sure we will otherwise sunstreaker will be bro less.

On the contrary, there will be a Sideswipe on the shelves with Sunstreaker Netflix Sideswipe and Earthrise Sunstreaker, side by side again.

So they took some of the biggest shelfwarmers from siege and went balls to the wall with the aesthetic gimmick no one really cared for, and gave it to walmart? I wonder if this is in response to walmart not bothering to carry most of the transformers line anymore

Hellscream9999 wrote:So they took some of the biggest shelfwarmers from siege and went balls to the wall with the aesthetic gimmick no one really cared for, and gave it to walmart? I wonder if this is in response to walmart not bothering to carry most of the transformers line anymore

Ditto. Even in Walmarts where there is only one toy on the peg, it's usually a Chromia. In some cases, three or four Chromias. Easy pass on this group.

I couldn't tell from the stock photos, does anyone know if the mirage figure has a clear plastic legs/cockpit?

*edit, looks like its all dark grey, but that the tolerances weren't fixed

Awesome, so Scrapface is a Decepticon, I was hoping so. Now for the next dilemma, do I want a full set of 3 for a 3rd camera, or will just 1 suffice? Leaning toward just 1 for now, and waiting out any possible sales/discounts on getting another 2.

All this talk of T30 or Siege Jetfire, and I'm sat here quite happy with the Classics Voyager.

Nemesis Primal wrote:and Decepticon Mirage is a unique repaint that looks enough like a new character for me to rename them Crash Test.

I've seen it mentioned elsewhere that someone was think of renaming him Deluge after the G2 version of the character, which fits: Colour scheme, alt-mode & Faction.

Nemesis Primal wrote:Also I'm still not over the fact that we're not only getting a new Hotlink from the awesome tetrajet mold, but also that they made his flamethrower into a Battlemaster/Battlemasters so he could finally have it, that's a genius way to include that accessory for him. Heatstroke is a really good name for a guy who turns into a flamethrower too, I love it on all accounts. I'm now only one Seeker away from getting the three I really wanted as tetrajets, show me a Sunstorm and I'm set (although you may as well finish the Welcoming Committee at that point, I suppose).

It is pretty cool. Debating on if I should get Thundercraker to fill in the role of Bitstream or wait and see if Hasbro give us a Bitstream.