Re: 2019 Generations Line: War for Cybertron Part 1 Discussion
Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:27 am
As a G1 fan at heart, I have no complaints about how the Prime wars trilogy has done things. What exhausts me is the fact that the movies, animated and the aligned continuity in it's entirety, are also essentially doing G1. Optimus, Bumblebee, Megatron, now Grimlock etc etc. They couldn't even get through Rescue Bots without Prime and Bee. Ever since what started with the 'Classics' line came along, I've been happy enough, but whilst Universe, Gen, thrilling 30 were all good it was too much of a directionless mixed bag in many ways. Size, quality, design and engineering were all over the place. Yes, 'Generations' has been 'G1' for over 10 years (classics started in 2006?) but, as I say, as a G1 fan at heart, I haven't been 'satisfied' and gorging on G1 these past 10 years. I've been quite bored if I'm honest.
The original classics figures were awesome for their time. They came out here whilst UT was still around. I loved UT, with the exception of being frustrated at Armada's lack of articulation. I loved Beast wars before that. Beast wars continued G1 in a fresh new way. RiD 2000 was a cool interlude, But UT was a new start. The basic beats of Optimus and Starscream's designs were there, but it was more new than old, and kept growing and evolving. It was new enough that then Classics was a welcome return for people like me to get actual modern G1 versions of my fave characters. But things slipped very quickly. Universe toys stopped being fun, and too much emphasis on 'Modern takes' just made things feel a mess. Prime wars, whilst re-treading old ground in places, and also, to me, offering CW 84 bots that were worse than their Universe/rts figs was irksome (but hey it saved me money)-has given me what I wanted. Simply, with no mess. Fun, modern, good sized figures of old G1 characters, even introducing many characters that haven't seen action since the 80's and 90's! They are also fun toys, collectible from retail (ish)and have a connective play pattern. Yeah MP is also G1, but I don't want an overblown collection of giant expensive figures of every character in G1 ever!. I like the MP line taking on the heavy hitters, and I own nearly all of them, but I wanted and waited for what Prime wars has done. Now it is done, lets move forward. Generations is the place for G1 homages and updates, no need to stop, but I'd be less tired of this saturation if the movies and other media made new stuff. Cyberverse looks completely unnecessary. Kids and fans alike deserve new stuff. I want new stuff I'd like to see the 'Kids' portion of things, and the movieverse to do what Armada did back in 2003.
As for Generations, I'd like to see more late G1 and G2 stuff, and some Japanese stuff. Road Ceaser, Turbo masters, play with concepts like the micromasters, and combiners like Raiden. Battlestars, Zone, so much that hasn't been explored in modern ways. And yes, start combining that with UT stuff. Get a team lead by Thunderclash featuring Hot Shot, Energon Roadblock, Dreadlock from Galaxy Force (sorry, I hate all the forced 'G1' names on UT characters...) But you get my idea. Sod it, throw IDW original bots in as well. Stock the shelves with the DJD!
As for speculation on War for cybertron...I think maybe they are starting a new continuity, set in pre-earth days. Yes this will include Op, Megs etc...but maybe it will diversify the teams and characters with pre-earth forms of characters not usually seen in that period. Again, a cybertronian Thunderclash, Apeface as Megatron's main general...Beast wars Quickstrike as a bounty hunter flipping between factionslike doubledealer with 2 robo beast modes...I'd like to think that is what Warden means. G1 isn't the only continuity to start at pre-earth. Armada did, Aligned did. Lets start mixing in some of that goodness.
The original classics figures were awesome for their time. They came out here whilst UT was still around. I loved UT, with the exception of being frustrated at Armada's lack of articulation. I loved Beast wars before that. Beast wars continued G1 in a fresh new way. RiD 2000 was a cool interlude, But UT was a new start. The basic beats of Optimus and Starscream's designs were there, but it was more new than old, and kept growing and evolving. It was new enough that then Classics was a welcome return for people like me to get actual modern G1 versions of my fave characters. But things slipped very quickly. Universe toys stopped being fun, and too much emphasis on 'Modern takes' just made things feel a mess. Prime wars, whilst re-treading old ground in places, and also, to me, offering CW 84 bots that were worse than their Universe/rts figs was irksome (but hey it saved me money)-has given me what I wanted. Simply, with no mess. Fun, modern, good sized figures of old G1 characters, even introducing many characters that haven't seen action since the 80's and 90's! They are also fun toys, collectible from retail (ish)and have a connective play pattern. Yeah MP is also G1, but I don't want an overblown collection of giant expensive figures of every character in G1 ever!. I like the MP line taking on the heavy hitters, and I own nearly all of them, but I wanted and waited for what Prime wars has done. Now it is done, lets move forward. Generations is the place for G1 homages and updates, no need to stop, but I'd be less tired of this saturation if the movies and other media made new stuff. Cyberverse looks completely unnecessary. Kids and fans alike deserve new stuff. I want new stuff I'd like to see the 'Kids' portion of things, and the movieverse to do what Armada did back in 2003.
As for Generations, I'd like to see more late G1 and G2 stuff, and some Japanese stuff. Road Ceaser, Turbo masters, play with concepts like the micromasters, and combiners like Raiden. Battlestars, Zone, so much that hasn't been explored in modern ways. And yes, start combining that with UT stuff. Get a team lead by Thunderclash featuring Hot Shot, Energon Roadblock, Dreadlock from Galaxy Force (sorry, I hate all the forced 'G1' names on UT characters...) But you get my idea. Sod it, throw IDW original bots in as well. Stock the shelves with the DJD!
As for speculation on War for cybertron...I think maybe they are starting a new continuity, set in pre-earth days. Yes this will include Op, Megs etc...but maybe it will diversify the teams and characters with pre-earth forms of characters not usually seen in that period. Again, a cybertronian Thunderclash, Apeface as Megatron's main general...Beast wars Quickstrike as a bounty hunter flipping between factionslike doubledealer with 2 robo beast modes...I'd like to think that is what Warden means. G1 isn't the only continuity to start at pre-earth. Armada did, Aligned did. Lets start mixing in some of that goodness.