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ZeroWolf wrote:Is the only difference being colour? I can look past it, didn't animated use different colour con signs? (genuinely can't remember)

No, the most eye catching difference is the shape of the "eyes". On G1, they are triangular in shape, whereas in the Bayverse insignia, they have four sides.

Siege Starscream has the four-sided version, so it is the Bayverse insignia being used here

Nathaniel Prime wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Is the only difference being colour? I can look past it, didn't animated use different colour con signs? (genuinely can't remember)

No, the most eye catching difference is the shape of the "eyes". On G1, they are triangular in shape, whereas in the Bayverse insignia, they have four sides.

Siege Starscream has the four-sided version, so it is the Bayverse insignia being used here

Here's another example of the differences between the 2:

william-james88 wrote:

Nathaniel Prime wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Is the only difference being colour? I can look past it, didn't animated use different colour con signs? (genuinely can't remember)

No, the most eye catching difference is the shape of the "eyes". On G1, they are triangular in shape, whereas in the Bayverse insignia, they have four sides.

Siege Starscream has the four-sided version, so it is the Bayverse insignia being used here

Here's another example of the differences between the 2:

Both of those have triangle eyes.

This shows more of the difference:

Sabrblade's example was a lot clearer thank you though which Skywarp is that toy?

william-james88 wrote:So, anyone else happy they can now have a G1 style Barricade to add to your collection that isn't exclusive/expensive?

Well you can keep calling it "G1 style Barricade" and I can keep calling it a lazy crap repaint to make more money out of an existing mold rather than provide a more unique and logical figure. I just can't see why people think this is a quality release worthy of spending actual money on. It's the very definition of Hasbro being frickin' lazy and saving money on a new mold by just reusing another with very little effort put into it. And so was Guido Guidi's (yay i got his name right this time) design. The guy's clearly done great work in the past but this whole thing is unimaginative garbage. Damn thing looks too dorky to be a Barricade. Fine for Prowl who's supposed to appear to be the boring good cop but a Barricade is meant to be the bad cop and one who'd rough you up plenty and this figure is far too bland and boring to give even a hint of that.

Really is an absolute total missed opportunity.

ZeroWolf wrote:Sabrblade's example was a lot clearer thank you though which Skywarp is that toy?

Two versions of MP-11SW.

Sabrblade wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Sabrblade's example was a lot clearer thank you though which Skywarp is that toy?

Two versions of MP-11SW.

Yeah, one is the takara release and the other is the hasbro asia release

Can we all stop fighting about Barricade and just agree to disagree. It’s been 3 days and this is getting **** old. No one is forcing you to buy it, like it, eat it, etc. go send some complaints to Hasbro. There’s way more to talk about in this line than one figure and anyone who is trying to is getting talked over. Enough.

In other news, Starscream is really just a guy in the jet suit:

Click each for full size



(photos from user Sponge of the Allspark Discord)

Sabrblade wrote:In other news, Starscream is really just a guy in the jet suit:

Sooo G1! Geoff Senior would be so proud


Meanwhile, Is there supposed to be a connection between Windblade and Thrust?







The designs seem too visually similar for coincidence? Maybe a new Cybertronian based Windblade as a Tetrajet could add to that. Create some [interesting] backstory for her this time, both within SIEGE and the new Comic continuity too. Renegade Seeker? Thrust's Twin IE a way of re-introducing the idea of branched sparks??

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:In other news, Starscream is really just a guy in the jet suit:

Sooo G1! Geoff Senior would be so proud

Really? I don't recall the 1984 toy able to remove all of its altmode kibble and make a completely separate vehicle from the robot.

Especially one formed from kibble that's able to be removed all in one whole piece without needing to reassemble anything.

Sabrblade wrote:In other news, Starscream is really just a guy in the jet suit:

Click each for full size



(photos from user Sponge of the Allspark Discord)

In other news, water is wet

Well, this is usually the case with shell formers, and the legs underneath get the excuse of being cybertronian. Works wonders for Hasbro

Nathaniel Prime wrote:In other news, water is wet

Name three other Starscream toys whose altmodes can be detached completely separate from their robot modes without losing the core integrity of the robot mode, and in one piece without having to reassemble anything.

Sabrblade wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:In other news, Starscream is really just a guy in the jet suit:

Sooo G1! Geoff Senior would be so proud

Really? I don't recall the 1984 toy able to remove all of its altmode kibble and make a completely separate vehicle from the robot.

Especially one formed from kibble that's able to be removed all in one whole piece without needing to reassemble anything.

GEOFF SENIOR!

Illustrator of Marvel Comics Transformers, known for a visual design of "people in robot suits"..

I didn't think I would need to explain that

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Illustrator of Marvel Comics Transformers, known for a visual design of "people in robot suits"..

I didn't think I would need to explain that

This is a robot guy in a jet suit, not a human in a robot suit. Fleshy-faced artwork has nothing to do with excessive altmode kibble.

Sabrblade wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Illustrator of Marvel Comics Transformers, known for a visual design of "people in robot suits"..

I didn't think I would need to explain that

This is a robot guy in a jet suit, not a human in a robot suit. Fleshy-faced artwork has nothing to do with excessive altmode kibble.

It's what makes Scourge still the superior Flier design to this day.



No unsightly kibble.



Even his original toy didn't suffer from it. I wonder if they would even need to change his design to add him to WFC and/or SIEGE?

Carnivius_Prime wrote:

william-james88 wrote:So, anyone else happy they can now have a G1 style Barricade to add to your collection that isn't exclusive/expensive?

Well you can keep calling it "G1 style Barricade" and I can keep calling it a lazy crap repaint to make more money out of an existing mold rather than provide a more unique and logical figure. I just can't see why people think this is a quality release worthy of spending actual money on. It's the very definition of Hasbro being frickin' lazy and saving money on a new mold by just reusing another with very little effort put into it. And so was Guido Guidi's (yay i got his name right this time) design. The guy's clearly done great work in the past but this whole thing is unimaginative garbage. Damn thing looks too dorky to be a Barricade. Fine for Prowl who's supposed to appear to be the boring good cop but a Barricade is meant to be the bad cop and one who'd rough you up plenty and this figure is far too bland and boring to give even a hint of that.

Really is an absolute total missed opportunity.

A lot of people want this. I’m sorry you don’t. Next time we’ll ask hasbro to reach out to you and ask you what you want.

Carnivius_Prime wrote:

william-james88 wrote:So, anyone else happy they can now have a G1 style Barricade to add to your collection that isn't exclusive/expensive?

Well you can keep calling it "G1 style Barricade" and I can keep calling it a lazy crap repaint to make more money out of an existing mold rather than provide a more unique and logical figure. I just can't see why people think this is a quality release worthy of spending actual money on. It's the very definition of Hasbro being frickin' lazy and saving money on a new mold by just reusing another with very little effort put into it. And so was Guido Guidi's (yay i got his name right this time) design. The guy's clearly done great work in the past but this whole thing is unimaginative garbage. Damn thing looks too dorky to be a Barricade. Fine for Prowl who's supposed to appear to be the boring good cop but a Barricade is meant to be the bad cop and one who'd rough you up plenty and this figure is far too bland and boring to give even a hint of that.

Really is an absolute total missed opportunity.

SIEGE Barricade is the result of a thought experiment. "What if Barricade had been in the original 1984/85 Transformers toy line-up?" What would his design have been? What mold would have been used? This is the answer. He's based heavily on an existing Diaclone mold. In this case, the one that became Prowl and Bluestreak and was eventually retooled into Smokescreen. That's what Guido Guidi was up to years ago with his fan art rendition, and it's the same conclusion Hasbro came to as well. Imagine if in 1985, Hasbro added a few more Decepticons based on Diaclone molds. Barricade could have been the result of taking the Smokescreen retool, repainting it, and adding a light bar to make him a police car again. The difference with the SIEGE version is that there isn't going to be any retooling to the alt mode between Prowl/Bluestreak and Smokescreen/Barricade. Only the head sculpts and weapon load outs are different. The light bars are modular pieces that can be included or excluded, just like the shoulder cannons or other weapons. If you don't "get it," that's fine. But other people do, and that doesn't make their opinion less valid than yours. Liking something is subjective. I can appreciate that you don't like the mold in general, though, in which case yes, it would be disappointing that the same mold you don't like as Prowl is also now Barricade.

Sabrblade wrote:In other news, Starscream is really just a guy in the jet suit:

Click each for full size



(photos from user Sponge of the Allspark Discord)

That should make it easier to retool him into a proper Earth-mode jet.

While I personally do not plan to get Barricade because it doesn't fit into my collection I think it looks good. I just think it's the reverse engineering aspect that is throwing some fans off. Taking a figure that initially was not part of the *best years* of the original series, and making him appear to fit in (Yes I know of the 1990 Micromaster, but that doesn't really apply here...)

Fans (even myself) are very fickle about this...I accepted Sunstorm (or any number of seekers), because they all basically have the same concept. I was not into Drift initially, but came to accept him over time, still, there hasn't been a super *original series* looking Drift, so I'm not sure how that would be accepted. I enjoy the Torchbearers, of course because they are a combiner team . But Windblade, I have never been a fan of. I guess that's one reason to be thankful for Cyberverse. They can keep churning out Windblade figures in that line, and *hopefully* keep her out of the Generations series. Still, I find it hard to believe Hasbro wont attempt another Windblade in the next two years, especially if the aesthetic of the remaining parts of this trilogy are different enough, but one can hope.

I've mentioned before, the disconnect in the lack of Windblade redesigns. Do they think she wouldn't be recognisable to Fans unless she looked identical in every line?

Wolfman Jake wrote:

Carnivius_Prime wrote:

william-james88 wrote:So, anyone else happy they can now have a G1 style Barricade to add to your collection that isn't exclusive/expensive?

Well you can keep calling it "G1 style Barricade" and I can keep calling it a lazy crap repaint to make more money out of an existing mold rather than provide a more unique and logical figure. I just can't see why people think this is a quality release worthy of spending actual money on. It's the very definition of Hasbro being frickin' lazy and saving money on a new mold by just reusing another with very little effort put into it. And so was Guido Guidi's (yay i got his name right this time) design. The guy's clearly done great work in the past but this whole thing is unimaginative garbage. Damn thing looks too dorky to be a Barricade. Fine for Prowl who's supposed to appear to be the boring good cop but a Barricade is meant to be the bad cop and one who'd rough you up plenty and this figure is far too bland and boring to give even a hint of that.

Really is an absolute total missed opportunity.

SIEGE Barricade is the result of a thought experiment. "What if Barricade had been in the original 1984/85 Transformers toy line-up?" What would his design have been? What mold would have been used? This is the answer. He's based heavily on an existing Diaclone mold. In this case, the one that became Prowl and Bluestreak and was eventually retooled into Smokescreen. That's what Guido Guidi was up to years ago with his fan art rendition, and it's the same conclusion Hasbro came to as well. Imagine if in 1985, Hasbro added a few more Decepticons based on Diaclone molds. Barricade could have been the result of taking the Smokescreen retool, repainting it, and adding a light bar to make him a police car again. The difference with the SIEGE version is that there isn't going to be any retooling to the alt mode between Prowl/Bluestreak and Smokescreen/Barricade. Only the head sculpts and weapon load outs are different. The light bars are modular pieces that can be included or excluded, just like the shoulder cannons or other weapons. If you don't "get it," that's fine. But other people do, and that doesn't make their opinion less valid than yours. Liking something is subjective. I can appreciate that you don't like the mold in general, though, in which case yes, it would be disappointing that the same mold you don't like as Prowl is also now Barricade.

Sabrblade wrote:In other news, Starscream is really just a guy in the jet suit:

Click each for full size



(photos from user Sponge of the Allspark Discord)

That should make it easier to retool him into a proper Earth-mode jet.

But that would make his jet mode rather unsightly with the legs underneath IMO, unless they do something different with his legs.

But that is a good idea for a decent Earth G1 Starscream

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I've mentioned before, the disconnect in the lack of Windblade redesigns. Do they think she wouldn't be recognisable to Fans unless she looked identical in every line?

Its been like that for all new designs though. before her there was Lockdown and in all his incarnaions until the film they always made him look around the same (around the same amount of varition as Windblade from each of her designs).

I think that is part of the problem though. It's like they have no faith in these new characters being able to assimilate into the series proper, among the original designs.

o.supreme wrote:While I personally do not plan to get Barricade because it doesn't fit into my collection I think it looks good. I just think it's the reverse engineering aspect that is throwing some fans off. Taking a figure that initially was not part of the *best years* of the original series, and making him appear to fit in

Oh man, reminds me of this

Has there ever been a Really Good looking Copter Bot??