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I'm still hyped! My only question is what the blurb for the trailer says in the scan. It appears to be entirely new comparing it to the MP-10 trailer, there are new hinges on the front not found on the original. I don't recall it ever opening in the cartoon so I can't imagine what those hinges are for.

Maybe he'll come with this?



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Torso looks a bit squished for me.

Wonder how much itl be... rarely win the "but you have one of those characters already" discussions with the wife anyway.

From what I can see he looks pretty good. I like how streamlined the truck bed seems to be, that's not common with Primes. He'll probably be pretty pricey but I'll try and get him, you can never have too many Optimus Primes.

This looks a billion times better than MP-10. I know I’m in the minority here, but I never liked the proportions on MP-10 vs MP-01. MP-10 has huge feet, gorilla arms, and squat shins. MP-01 always had that regal presence, but the drawback was that he’s too top-heavy to anything except stand straight up. This looks to be the best of both worlds, in terms of poseability, playability, stature, presence, and cartoon accuracy.

Nemesis Maximo wrote:This looks a billion times better than MP-10. I know I’m in the minority here, but I never liked the proportions on MP-10 vs MP-01. MP-10 has huge feet, gorilla arms, and squat shins. MP-01 always had that regal presence, but the drawback was that he’s too top-heavy to anything except stand straight up. This looks to be the best of both worlds, in terms of poseability, playability, stature, presence, and cartoon accuracy.

What about his transformation not representing his onscreen transformation? Or the fake parts? I always felt that should be considered within screen accuracy for Transformers toys.

william-james88 wrote:

Nemesis Maximo wrote:This looks a billion times better than MP-10. I know I’m in the minority here, but I never liked the proportions on MP-10 vs MP-01. MP-10 has huge feet, gorilla arms, and squat shins. MP-01 always had that regal presence, but the drawback was that he’s too top-heavy to anything except stand straight up. This looks to be the best of both worlds, in terms of poseability, playability, stature, presence, and cartoon accuracy.

What about his transformation not representing his onscreen transformation? Or the fake parts? I always felt that should be considered within screen accuracy for Transformers toys.

I'm with you on that WJ88. The weird thing is, Prime has one of the most straightforward, non-convoluted transformations out of the G1 cast, and it barely needs any embellishment to make a very good, very accurate figure- MP-10's biggest departure was a few twists at the waist and a fake grill to accomodate the shape change.

Megatron I can understand being complex because getting a handgun to work as a poseable humanoid is tough, and his G1 toy was very different from the toon model. But Prime? Jesus, he's one of the simplest TFs to do of all.

william-james88 wrote:

Nemesis Maximo wrote:This looks a billion times better than MP-10. I know I’m in the minority here, but I never liked the proportions on MP-10 vs MP-01. MP-10 has huge feet, gorilla arms, and squat shins. MP-01 always had that regal presence, but the drawback was that he’s too top-heavy to anything except stand straight up. This looks to be the best of both worlds, in terms of poseability, playability, stature, presence, and cartoon accuracy.

What about his transformation not representing his onscreen transformation? Or the fake parts? I always felt that should be considered within screen accuracy for Transformers toys.

But matching the onscreen transformations is... literally impossible.

There's 3 things to a G1 cartoon Transformer: bot mode, alt mode, and the transformation. In trying to translate (slavishly I might add) this to plastic, if you're lucky you'll get 2/3. The transformation of an MP is ALWAYS going to differ from how it looked on the show because they employed trickery and lies.

shajaki wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Nemesis Maximo wrote:This looks a billion times better than MP-10. I know I’m in the minority here, but I never liked the proportions on MP-10 vs MP-01. MP-10 has huge feet, gorilla arms, and squat shins. MP-01 always had that regal presence, but the drawback was that he’s too top-heavy to anything except stand straight up. This looks to be the best of both worlds, in terms of poseability, playability, stature, presence, and cartoon accuracy.

What about his transformation not representing his onscreen transformation? Or the fake parts? I always felt that should be considered within screen accuracy for Transformers toys.

But matching the onscreen transformations is... literally impossible.

There's 3 things to a G1 cartoon Transformer: bot mode, alt mode, and the transformation. In trying to translate (slavishly I might add) this to plastic, if you're lucky you'll get 2/3. The transformation of an MP is ALWAYS going to differ from how it looked on the show because they employed trickery and lies.

I agree.The transformation sequence is the least of my worries. I want alt mode and Bot mode to be accurate

I really disagree on that. Not that the transformation must be exact, but that in the spirit of the character, the essence, is that these robots transform from the car to a robot and that the parts are shared. Even though there may be a very very complex transformation behind it, the fact that the parts found on the robot Are just the representation of what we see in the alt mode, and not the actual part itself, to me doesn't really make it all that different than having a truck that doesn't transform and also having a robot that doesn't transform and both of them looking identical to the screen model. The reason I love those early masterpiece figures so much is that the they stuck to the idea that the parts are shared. It gives the added complexity of having that same alt mode part found in the robot. I totally understand that some sacrifices must be made one way or another, but just having a totally different part appear out of nowhere, when you also have to hide the part you should be using, for basically every detail of the figure, does not sound good to me.

william-james88 wrote:I really disagree on that. Not that the transformation must be exact, but that in the spirit of the character, the essence, is that these robots transform from the car to a robot and that the parts are shared. Even though there may be a very very complex transformation behind it, the fact that the parts found on the robot Are just the representation of what we see in the alt mode, and not the actual part itself, to me doesn't really make it all that different than having a truck that doesn't transform and also having a robot that doesn't transform and both of them looking identical to the screen model. The reason I love those early masterpiece figures so much is that the they stuck to the idea that the parts are shared. It gives the added complexity of having that same alt mode part found in the robot. I totally understand that some sacrifices must be made one way or another, but just having a totally different part appear out of nowhere, when you also have to hide the part you should be using, for basically every detail of the figure, does not sound good to me.

I agree. I understand it if the parts look totally different between modes (like Optimus' skirt) or an impossible size (like Sunstreaker's canopy), but otherwise I tend to feel disappointed when a piece of the alt-mode gets replaced with a nearly identical part for robot mode.

The only three things I really need in the transformation of any G1-based Optimus, personally, are a) top half forms the cab and bottom half forms the truck bed; b) the smokestacks on his shoulders are the truck's actual smokestacks; and c) his chest windows are the truck's windows. And it looks like this guy isn't doing that last one at least, for barely any good reason honestly.

Finally, people sharing my advice.
Seeing the latest MP threads I thought I was alone. I really hate all the late MPs exactly for that, even the beast wars ones whith the fake cheetah and dinobot head on their chests.

It's going completely againt the idea of trannsformers in my opinion.

On another forum I've read the term "popples", I think that's the perfect description of the lates MPs.
They're no longer transformers, they're vehicules which contains a completely different robot folded inside.

what i dont get is all this cartoon accuracy for the robot but yet still make the truck realistic
they should make the truck mode cartoon accurate as well

Ultra Markus wrote:what i dont get is all this cartoon accuracy for the robot but yet still make the truck realistic
they should make the truck mode cartoon accurate as well

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Ah, but if they went ahead and made a cartoon-accurate truck mode now, then what would they do for Version 4.0?

Qwan wrote:

william-james88 wrote:I really disagree on that. Not that the transformation must be exact, but that in the spirit of the character, the essence, is that these robots transform from the car to a robot and that the parts are shared. Even though there may be a very very complex transformation behind it, the fact that the parts found on the robot Are just the representation of what we see in the alt mode, and not the actual part itself, to me doesn't really make it all that different than having a truck that doesn't transform and also having a robot that doesn't transform and both of them looking identical to the screen model. The reason I love those early masterpiece figures so much is that the they stuck to the idea that the parts are shared. It gives the added complexity of having that same alt mode part found in the robot. I totally understand that some sacrifices must be made one way or another, but just having a totally different part appear out of nowhere, when you also have to hide the part you should be using, for basically every detail of the figure, does not sound good to me.

I agree. I understand it if the parts look totally different between modes (like Optimus' skirt) or an impossible size (like Sunstreaker's canopy), but otherwise I tend to feel disappointed when a piece of the alt-mode gets replaced with a nearly identical part for robot mode.

The only three things I really need in the transformation of any G1-based Optimus, personally, are a) top half forms the cab and bottom half forms the truck bed; b) the smokestacks on his shoulders are the truck's actual smokestacks; and c) his chest windows are the truck's windows. And it looks like this guy isn't doing that last one at least, for barely any good reason honestly.

I can understand this opinion. I guess I give more leeway for the G1 guys and for the Beast Wars guys because of what they need to accomplish. The stylized robot modes don't lend themselves to using the same parts to pull off the cartoon accuracy. I guess that's why my favorite line is the Cybertron line because for the most part the toy was the character model. The Transmetals era for Beast Wars was much more accurate. I guess for all the faults we find with them doing Prime 3 times, it does give something for (most) everyone. Hopefully as time goes by they keep improving and we will end up getting the perfect version (kind of the goal of the MP line). Shucks, look at Generations Beast Wars toys, they came out amazing. Keep improving.

Proper scan from Loopaza Mega Store --

Qwan wrote:

Ultra Markus wrote:what i dont get is all this cartoon accuracy for the robot but yet still make the truck realistic
they should make the truck mode cartoon accurate as well

giphy-6-300x231.gif

Ah, but if they went ahead and made a cartoon-accurate truck mode now, then what would they do for Version 4.0?

I thought version 4.0 would be one that be sentient with the personality from g1...apart from a few samples which have the personality of bay verse prime in them by accident. Wait no that's mp prime 6...

Cyberpath wrote:Proper scan from Loopaza Mega Store --

Confirmation his ion cannon still folds in half, but sideways this time

william-james88 wrote:I really disagree on that. Not that the transformation must be exact, but that in the spirit of the character, the essence, is that these robots transform from the car to a robot and that the parts are shared. Even though there may be a very very complex transformation behind it, the fact that the parts found on the robot Are just the representation of what we see in the alt mode, and not the actual part itself, to me doesn't really make it all that different than having a truck that doesn't transform and also having a robot that doesn't transform and both of them looking identical to the screen model. The reason I love those early masterpiece figures so much is that the they stuck to the idea that the parts are shared. It gives the added complexity of having that same alt mode part found in the robot. I totally understand that some sacrifices must be made one way or another, but just having a totally different part appear out of nowhere, when you also have to hide the part you should be using, for basically every detail of the figure, does not sound good to me.

Yeah, I've been wondering about that too since the prototype was revealed. The grill is one thing, but the windows? I gotta see how this works out. I hope he can at least be posed in-mid transformation like the cartoon. Almost impossible with MP-10.

Qwan wrote:

Ultra Markus wrote:what i dont get is all this cartoon accuracy for the robot but yet still make the truck realistic
they should make the truck mode cartoon accurate as well

giphy-6-300x231.gif

Ah, but if they went ahead and made a cartoon-accurate truck mode now, then what would they do for Version 4.0?

My thought exactly.

(Not that I'm upset about III.)

Qwan wrote:

william-james88 wrote:I really disagree on that. Not that the transformation must be exact, but that in the spirit of the character, the essence, is that these robots transform from the car to a robot and that the parts are shared. Even though there may be a very very complex transformation behind it, the fact that the parts found on the robot Are just the representation of what we see in the alt mode, and not the actual part itself, to me doesn't really make it all that different than having a truck that doesn't transform and also having a robot that doesn't transform and both of them looking identical to the screen model. The reason I love those early masterpiece figures so much is that the they stuck to the idea that the parts are shared. It gives the added complexity of having that same alt mode part found in the robot. I totally understand that some sacrifices must be made one way or another, but just having a totally different part appear out of nowhere, when you also have to hide the part you should be using, for basically every detail of the figure, does not sound good to me.

I agree. I understand it if the parts look totally different between modes (like Optimus' skirt) or an impossible size (like Sunstreaker's canopy), but otherwise I tend to feel disappointed when a piece of the alt-mode gets replaced with a nearly identical part for robot mode.

The only three things I really need in the transformation of any G1-based Optimus, personally, are a) top half forms the cab and bottom half forms the truck bed; b) the smokestacks on his shoulders are the truck's actual smokestacks; and c) his chest windows are the truck's windows. And it looks like this guy isn't doing that last one at least, for barely any good reason honestly.

Sticking to my guns on this. If you want the transformation to be accurate, all you're going to end up with is toys that looks awkward, disproportionate, and with more kibble like their original TOY counterparts. The show accurate chests of Dinobot, Cheetor, Sunstreaker, and so on a literally not possible without faux pieces.

Want proof? Google Omnigonex Spinout. That's what you get without transformation cheats.

On this accurate transformation topic. The cheats that happen in 2 dimensions can not be reproduced in 3. It's just science. Remember, animation is a cheat. A trick. Animation tricks the eye into seeing movement from static images.

The only time I can recall in my limited knowledge of Transformers cartoons, that pure transformation accuracy between the show and the toys has happened is Cybertron. Which was a product of using the Toy's CAD models as the show's character models. Great foresight on Has, Tak, and the studio who made the show.

I'd love to see more of this foresight.
That kind of accuracy can be achieved. It's just super time consuming on the animation side, and probably not usually in the budget.

With the BW figures I can take the faux-partsing, mainly because the end results look fantastic. With the G1 figures though...Eh. The show models (which were barely adhered to), whilst good starting points/concepts for a figure, were too primitive to be 1:1 reproduced in plastic form. Like, would you want a hypothetical MP Blitzwing to have his gunbarrel sticking out of his head, just because the model artist misinterpreted the toy design?

Completely cheating the conversion just to get it that little bit closer (and even then only from the front) seems like it defeats the entire point of a Transformer.

As far as Sunstreaker goes, Omnigonix's Spinout was doomed by sabotage, and honestly looked pretty decent next to Sideswipe. But for the fake chest, all they really need to do is just use the top half of the windscreen/roof to form the chest rather than the whole thing. Granted I don't know if Lamborghini would throw a wobbly over that.

shajaki wrote:

Qwan wrote:

william-james88 wrote:I really disagree on that. Not that the transformation must be exact, but that in the spirit of the character, the essence, is that these robots transform from the car to a robot and that the parts are shared. Even though there may be a very very complex transformation behind it, the fact that the parts found on the robot Are just the representation of what we see in the alt mode, and not the actual part itself, to me doesn't really make it all that different than having a truck that doesn't transform and also having a robot that doesn't transform and both of them looking identical to the screen model. The reason I love those early masterpiece figures so much is that the they stuck to the idea that the parts are shared. It gives the added complexity of having that same alt mode part found in the robot. I totally understand that some sacrifices must be made one way or another, but just having a totally different part appear out of nowhere, when you also have to hide the part you should be using, for basically every detail of the figure, does not sound good to me.

I agree. I understand it if the parts look totally different between modes (like Optimus' skirt) or an impossible size (like Sunstreaker's canopy), but otherwise I tend to feel disappointed when a piece of the alt-mode gets replaced with a nearly identical part for robot mode.

The only three things I really need in the transformation of any G1-based Optimus, personally, are a) top half forms the cab and bottom half forms the truck bed; b) the smokestacks on his shoulders are the truck's actual smokestacks; and c) his chest windows are the truck's windows. And it looks like this guy isn't doing that last one at least, for barely any good reason honestly.

Sticking to my guns on this. If you want the transformation to be accurate, all you're going to end up with is toys that looks awkward, disproportionate, and with more kibble like their original TOY counterparts. The show accurate chests of Dinobot, Cheetor, Sunstreaker, and so on a literally not possible without faux pieces.

Want proof? Google Omnigonex Spinout. That's what you get without transformation cheats.

I said I understood when sacrifices had to happen. And with Dinobot, I found it brilliant since it is a part of his alt mode we see on his robot chest (plus his transformation had his velociraptor head floating in the air so its not like it works on tv either). But I find this whole Optimus chest thing super lazy. Like whats the point. As we get more and more about wanting accuracy, I fail to see how this is better than just having a super accurate Figuarts or Figma figure of cartoon optimus Prime. At least I can then imagine that those are the same parts he has in car mode.

It reminds me of those robot detail panels on Tracks' legs. Like whats the point of even having them part of them being attached if they are so divorced from the whole toy and leg. At that point its the same as just having add on leg panels you attach and detach.

Cobotron wrote:On this accurate transformation topic. The cheats that happen in 2 dimensions can not be reproduced in 3. It's just science. Remember, animation is a cheat. A trick. Animation tricks the eye into seeing movement from static images.

The only time I can recall in my limited knowledge of Transformers cartoons, that pure transformation accuracy between the show and the toys has happened is Cybertron. Which was a product of using the Toy's CAD models as the show's character models. Great foresight on Has, Tak, and the studio who made the show.

I'd love to see more of this foresight.
That kind of accuracy can be achieved. It's just super time consuming on the animation side, and probably not usually in the budget.

Not all were perfect to the toy, due to late changes. Look at Leobreaker and to a lesser extent Landmine. Which brings me to my point. Toys are in constant development, but animation models have to be considered "final" at an earlier time to avoid production delays for the show. It's all logistics. If a toy changes dramatically while the cartoon is well into production, it's not always possible to translate these changes effectively into the finished animation.

ExciKaiser wrote:Finally, people sharing my advice.
Seeing the latest MP threads I thought I was alone. I really hate all the late MPs exactly for that, even the beast wars ones whith the fake cheetah and dinobot head on their chests.

It's going completely againt the idea of trannsformers in my opinion.

On another forum I've read the term "popples", I think that's the perfect description of the lates MPs.
They're no longer transformers, they're vehicules which contains a completely different robot folded inside.

Have you seen what the animations did to the bw characters? dinobots dino head literally detaches from his body model and then gets squished almost flat... you can't do that sort of thing with plastic, same goes for cheetor and rattrap

Come out and take my money already!!!