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Re: Haslab Unicron Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2020 4:46 pm
by Rodimus Prime
Why does Unicron need a city mode in the first place? Did he have one in any continuity? I would rather he be just a robot and a planet and cost $100 less.

Re: Haslab Unicron Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2020 4:52 pm
by Gauntlet101010
The city mode was shown before. Still don't miss it. I'm not buying Unicron to be a city I'll never, ever use.

Re: Haslab Unicron Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2020 4:54 pm
by Rodimus Prime
Gauntlet101010 wrote:The city mode was shown before. Still don't miss it. I'm not buying Unicron to be a city I'll never, ever use.
Exactly.

Re: Haslab Unicron Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2020 5:19 pm
by Sabrblade
Rodimus Prime wrote:Why does Unicron need a city mode in the first place? Did he have one in any continuity? I would rather he be just a robot and a planet and cost $100 less.
At best, one could pretend that it represents some kind of hellish landscape found inside of his planet mode, but otherwise, yeah, he's not a citybot.

The idea was just to give his giant toy some more play value as a playset in addition to its already being a giant action figure (much like the case with all of the Titan class Citybots being both giant action figures and playsets).

If anything, I'm betting this mode was conceived as a way to further appeal to potential retailers so that they would be more inclined to carry this gigantic Transformers product since the figure on its own wouldn't have been enough in the eyes of the retailers since its planet mode alone wouldn't be marketable enough to most retailers due to its just being a giant ball on a stick that couldn't be played with like how a normal ball could be played with.

But, as we know, the city mode didn't happen and retailers didn't pick it up, so it instead went to HasLab as a crowdfunding product, where it wouldn't have to worry about the needs of mass market appeal to get made.

Re: Haslab Unicron Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2020 7:41 pm
by D-Maximal_Primal
He still looks really impressive, I am excited to see him, that planet mode is huge!

Re: Haslab Unicron Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2020 9:13 pm
by Rodimus Prime
Sabrblade wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:Why does Unicron need a city mode in the first place? Did he have one in any continuity? I would rather he be just a robot and a planet and cost $100 less.
At best, one could pretend that it represents some kind of hellish landscape found inside of his planet mode, but otherwise, yeah, he's not a citybot.

The idea was just to give his giant toy some more play value as a playset in addition to its already being a giant action figure (much like the case with all of the Titan class Citybots being both giant action figures and playsets).

If anything, I'm betting this mode was conceived as a way to further appeal to potential retailers so that they would be more inclined to carry this gigantic Transformers product since the figure on its own wouldn't have been enough in the eyes of the retailers since its planet mode alone wouldn't be marketable enough to most retailers due to its just being a giant ball on a stick that couldn't be played with like how a normal ball could be played with.

But, as we know, the city mode didn't happen and retailers didn't pick it up, so it instead went to HasLab as a crowdfunding product, where it wouldn't have to worry about the needs of mass market appeal to get made.
I have nothing against the concept of him having a city mode, and I understand the reasoning. My problem is that his featured modes (planet and robot) would suffer because if it. If they could have pulled it off without messing with those, then fine. By the looks of it, seems like they were trying to do the same thing they did to Cybertron Primus, except on a larger scale. Just because he's a large figure and has a big price tag, doesn't mean he has to have excessive and unnecessary features, especially ones that have no basis in his origins. If you want a city mode, buy a city bot. There are plenty. Unicron is Unicron.

Re: Haslab Unicron Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2020 9:19 pm
by Sabrblade
Rodimus Prime wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:Why does Unicron need a city mode in the first place? Did he have one in any continuity? I would rather he be just a robot and a planet and cost $100 less.
At best, one could pretend that it represents some kind of hellish landscape found inside of his planet mode, but otherwise, yeah, he's not a citybot.

The idea was just to give his giant toy some more play value as a playset in addition to its already being a giant action figure (much like the case with all of the Titan class Citybots being both giant action figures and playsets).

If anything, I'm betting this mode was conceived as a way to further appeal to potential retailers so that they would be more inclined to carry this gigantic Transformers product since the figure on its own wouldn't have been enough in the eyes of the retailers since its planet mode alone wouldn't be marketable enough to most retailers due to its just being a giant ball on a stick that couldn't be played with like how a normal ball could be played with.

But, as we know, the city mode didn't happen and retailers didn't pick it up, so it instead went to HasLab as a crowdfunding product, where it wouldn't have to worry about the needs of mass market appeal to get made.
I have nothing against the concept of him having a city mode, and I understand the reasoning. My problem is that his featured modes (planet and robot) would suffer because if it. If they could have pulled it off without messing with those, then fine. By the looks of it, seems like they were trying to do the same thing they did to Cybertron Primus, except on a larger scale. Just because he's a large figure and has a big price tag, doesn't mean he has to have excessive and unnecessary features, especially ones that have no basis in his origins. If you want a city mode, buy a city bot. There are plenty. Unicron is Unicron.
Prezactly.

Re: Haslab Unicron Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2020 10:20 pm
by Emerje
Sabrblade wrote:At best, one could pretend that it represents some kind of hellish landscape found inside of his planet mode, but otherwise, yeah, he's not a citybot.

This was my interpretation as well, more of an inside Unicron play set than a city. The monitor cluster is even there in the back.

I really don't understand the articulated eyes that you can't actually see through the eye lenses.

Also...

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Still can't unsee it.

Emerje

Re: Haslab Unicron Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2020 10:23 pm
by Moonshot
Unicron is only looking better and better. I so wish I had haved or have the cash to afford him. So fecking awesome. If they can add a half-assed base mode it will be cool but not necessary. Congrats to all who backed this, I was so, so close but couldnt come up with the money even though I knew it was super sweet. He is looking so good with every update that comes out.

Re: Haslab Unicron Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2020 10:25 pm
by Sabrblade
Emerje wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:At best, one could pretend that it represents some kind of hellish landscape found inside of his planet mode, but otherwise, yeah, he's not a citybot.

This was my interpretation as well, more of an inside Unicron play set than a city. The monitor cluster is even there in the back.
The planet mode maw pointed upward in the center is also reminiscent of The Pit that was inside Unicron in the 3H Universe comics.

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Re: Haslab Unicron Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2020 9:19 am
by AllNewSuperRobot
Considering he is just laying down (variation on the theme shared by all city bots) in the concept art, I doubt it would have compromised any other mode. That's just another excuse. What they could have done, since some think only four cities should exist within Transformers figures, was (as mentioned above) show off the acid vat, tentacle tunnel and monitor cluster. Make his "third mode" a Unicron playset. That would have made sense over pointlessly moving but hidden eyes and mismatched tiny figures.

Re: Haslab Unicron Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2020 9:26 am
by Sabrblade
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Considering he is just laying down (variation on the theme shared by all city bots) in the concept art, I doubt it would have compromised any other mode.
The structural integrity would have been compromised based on how much the torso and legs would have had to open up and break apart as they appear to do in that artwork. The figure needed to be solid enough to support its own weight when not using its display stand.

Re: Haslab Unicron Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2020 9:45 am
by Gauntlet101010
I'm glad they put the effort of giving him a forked beard and a detachable head over working in a third mode we've never seen before. From the original pitch we were given those weren't features Unicron had. And those things are what this figure really needed. Not a third mode just for the sake of having a third mode. It really looks like Unicron is just lying down half transformed. It's decent enough, I'll give it that. But it's not why I'm buying this.

If we're just tossing random things in a grab bag I'd rather have more tiny space ships.

Re: Haslab Unicron Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Tue May 26, 2020 9:46 am
by AllNewSuperRobot
Considering the lower leg is hollow and the pics so far have all indicated both forms will need a stand regardless, they seemed too busy boasting about how much it weighs (like it was a bonus feature) over the logistics of making it so heavy.

Re: Haslab Unicron Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 5:55 pm
by D-Maximal_Primal
Wanted to come here to say something i find very interesting.

The Haslab Sentinel for Marvel Legends was revealed today and put up for pre-order, and in less than 12 hours, they have passed 2/3 of their goal of 6000, and have also already passed what was the unicron number halfway point. It's incredible to see how quickly the numbers have rose.

Also cool, and something Unicron should have done, is that they have bonus tiers, so if they get above 7000, they get something extra, same with 8000 and 9000. And the Sentinel comes with a bonus Marvel Legends figure too.

I think they are doing a better job with this crowdfund project compared to Unicron, and apparently Marvel fans are reacting a lot more positively too.

PS: I am backing the Sentinel too

Re: Haslab Unicron Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:12 pm
by ZeldaTheSwordsman
That does sound better-handled.

I'm pretty sure that what we saw with the Unicron funding campaign was panicked flailing after the rug got pulled out from under them by the Bayverse Unicron movie getting shelved.

Re: Haslab Unicron Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:16 pm
by Sabrblade
It also didn't help that they had the Cookie Monster campaign running at the exact same time.

Re: Haslab Unicron Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:35 pm
by o.supreme
I think Unicron is going to be a great toy. I couldn't afford it at the time, and I have no regrets, but I'm glad for those who got one. If it had come with a base mode ( and compatible with the current airlock system) I would have regrets. But as it is now, I can be content admiring it from afar.

As for the Sentinel.

1. It's almost half the price and a smaller much less complex figure
2. As much as we don't like to admit. Transformers fans are a much smaller group than Marvel fans in general.
3. It requires fewer backers, "increased bonus tiers" aside



It makes sense such a project would be backed much faster. Also just for grins, I had to do a double take when I got the email yesterday I thought it said Haslab Sentinel Prime .... :lol:

Unicron is bar far the Grandest product from Haslab so far much moreso than the sailbarge or this Sentinel. A far more complex and expensive endeavor offered to a fan base much smaller than Star Wars or Marvel. We should really consider it a small miracle it actually got funded.


In fact I think they had to go with something *safe* as their next project with the almost failure of Unicron to get funded, and the aforementioned poor Cookie Monster who never had a chance.

Re: Haslab Unicron Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2020 11:06 pm
by chuckdawg1999
Just wait until people find out the Sentinel is completely hollow.

Re: Haslab Unicron Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2020 11:57 pm
by Emerje
Sabrblade wrote:It also didn't help that they had the Cookie Monster campaign running at the exact same time.

They should give us a Cookie Monster costume for Unicron for doing that. ;)

Seriously though, I was thinking their next HasLab should be a big 24" Dino Megazord. Considering what people pay for all those Bandai Japan versions I think it would be an easy sell at $400 with lots of chrome. This one is $300 and only 10" tall and been reissued at least twice. Hasbro obviously wouldn't add die cast, but the size would more than make up for it.

Emerje

Re: Haslab Unicron Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 1:04 am
by ZeldaTheSwordsman
Emerje wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:It also didn't help that they had the Cookie Monster campaign running at the exact same time.

They should give us a Cookie Monster costume for Unicron for doing that. ;)

Seriously though, I was thinking their next HasLab should be a big 24" Dino Megazord. Considering what people pay for all those Bandai Japan versions I think it would be an easy sell at $400 with lots of chrome. This one is $300 and only 10" tall and been reissued at least twice. Hasbro obviously wouldn't add die cast, but the size would more than make up for it.

Emerje
I disagree with you on that hard. The size would be awful. 24" is grossly oversize for a Megazord toy. At 10 1/4", the Soul of Chogokin one is well within the usual range of 10-12" (although shorter than the original version's 11 1/2"). The Soul of Chogokin version is popular because not only does it have die-cast, it remains in the proper size range for a Megazord while also being fully articulated and having fully-articulated components (as opposed to the normal retail fare of being at the same articulation level as G1 combiner limbs, when they have articulation at all).

A 24" Dino Megazord would be grossly oversize, except possibly in comparison to the combining movie Megazord (sad mess that that is). And then there's the fact that the Megazord is only 5 Zords out of the full set of 7. Can you imagine the extra funding needed to produce a Dragonzord and Titanus to go with it?

I think if Hasbro does a big lab project for Power Rangers it should be something like a Legacy Tor to complete the Legacy Thunderzords set. And/or a Legacy Megazord that rivals the SoC one, instead of being the 2010 Dino Megazod but with gratuitous die-cast. Or a 12" articulated monster line. Or maybe better toys of the 2017 movie Zords.

Also, too much chrome would be out of place on the Megazord. Especially on the sword.

Re: Haslab Unicron Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 8:52 am
by Sabrblade
Yeah, no way would I want a giant Dino Megazord that towers over all of my other megazords. I'd want a Dino Megazord that's properly in scale with all my other megazords so that they could all team up together in a big megazord bonanza.

Like these:

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Re: Haslab Unicron Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 11:25 am
by D-Maximal_Primal
You know, seeing as how Sentinel passed 7000 and an alternate head was revealed for that tier, and they are nearly to the 8000 limit, it makes me think of this for Unicron:

What if at 9000 they had offered an IDW Unicron alternate head (the head come off afterall)

And at 10,000 they had offered a bonus minicon package with Dead End and maybe a could other generic ball minicons

And then 11/12000 (if they wanted) they could offer the 3 minicon weapon teams.

Things like that could have gone a long way

Re: Haslab Unicron Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 11:37 am
by ZeroWolf
Thing to remember is that they've learned a lot from doing unicron and there's nothing to say they would have done it this way if it was launched tomorrow.

Re: Haslab Unicron Discussion Thread

PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2020 11:46 am
by D-Maximal_Primal
They made so many mistakes with Unicron, and by extent Cookie Monster too. Those reeked of overconfidence, and they both suffered. Sentinel shows how much better they are doing with this one. I actually wish unicron had waited a year or 2 to come out, I think they rushed that one, especially since he is the most expensive one.

Also, I have been talking to some main marvel collectors as well as some marvel collectors who also collect transformers, and there were some interesting points brought up about the 2 fandoms/brands.

the general consensus from those conversations is marvel handles it's brand far better than Hasbro with TFs, and that TFs rely too heavily on nostalgia. TFs constantly go back to the same source, while marvel balances it all out, something for everyone out and available at wider retail at all times. And as a result, they have both a larger fan base and a more active one since fans of every generation have something to look forward to, almost the opposite of what TFs are doing.

Couple a wider, happier, marvel fandom with a large potential troop builder, sole focus on 1 project, tiers for bonus parts, and a more palatable price, it shows just how much more cohesive, happy, and excited the marvel fandom is compared to tfs.

If they had simplified engineering and made Unicron $100 cheaper, I don't think that alone would have made a difference.